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How Much Do people Really Make?
How can people make money without top Alexa rank?
neonrider




msg:1384740
 3:22 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I must warn you people, - many of these posts seem to be fake. I have several decent and popular websites and Google Ads are exposed on hundreds of pages all across my sites. I have "made" $180 in the last month from Google Ads on all of my websites. In adition to that I have not received Google PIN by mail yet, even if I rerequested it some time ago. Which means - I have not received my Google PIN within the last month (two maiings already) or so.
Unless you have a website that is within TOP 10000 in the world (mine is within TOP 150000) you can not make anyting decent with Google ADs. Also since this is new thing I'm not sure I will get paid since Google PIN has never arrived so far.

 

ebound




msg:1384741
 3:32 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've been a publisher for over 2 years and my pin hasn't arrived yet. They must have forgotten.

ganderla




msg:1384742
 3:34 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Unless you have a website that is within TOP 10000 in the world (mine is within TOP 150000) you can not make anyting decent with Google ADs.

Ha ha, you just keep beliving what you want to believe. Unless you think decent earnings are a million a day.

suzyvirtual




msg:1384743
 3:36 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

My website has about a million ranking on alexa. I make an average of about $1500 a month with adsense. so there.
As for a PIN, I don't know what it is and suppose I don't have one either...

hunderdown




msg:1384744
 3:38 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

PINs are only for new members. A recent security addition.

europeforvisitors




msg:1384745
 3:46 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Earnings depend on traffic to some degree, but your site's overall topic(s) and the nature of your content are just as important. (On my own site, I've got pages that earn high CPMs and others that earn practically nothing, but it's the overall results that count--and I can assure you that the results are worthwhile.)

As for a PIN, I never even heard about Google PINs until I saw them mentioned in this forum, and my payments arrive without fail every month.

MichaelCrawford




msg:1384746
 3:57 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

There's a lot of reasons why you might have a lot of traffic but not make any money.

One might be that the sort of people who visit your site are just not the kind of people who like to click on ads, or who use ad-blocking software. Just disabling javascript makes adsense disappear.

Many of my articles are quite technical, and while fairly popular, sometimes I'd see a whole month go by without any clicks on some pages, even though the ads were highly relevant, and actually stuff I figured many of my readers would actually want to buy. I asked a friend about this, an engineer, and he said "I have never once clicked on an advertisement. I don't want to encourage them."

On the other hand, I have another article that's quite nontechnical. The ads are also relevant to that article's topic. It gets a very high clickthru rate, and has since the day I joined adsense.

Another reason you might not make money is that the keywords aren't competitive among the AdWords Select advertisers. If no one is bidding to be any higher than the other advertisers, Google only charges them a nickel a click. We get some portion of that, which is probably variable, but I could see how sometimes we'd get as little as a penny a click.

Finally, your ad performance might not be optimized. Have you read Google's AdSense Optimization Tips [google.com]? I made a very simple change based on the heat map, and within a day I could easily tell that my pay was going to go from the $1800 it was in March to over $3000 in May. My results so far this month continue to bear that out.

I checked my site's Alexa rating, and it's about 150,000. That's actually much better than it's been for a long time. The last time I checked, a couple weeks ago, it was 180,000.

I've been working vigourously at my website the last couple months and I'm finding that it's making a difference in every measure I look at. Traffic is up substantially on every page on my site, and most of them have been advancing steadily in the SERPs. Read my post at Betting the Farm [webmasterworld.com] to read about how I'm taking a whole week off from work, unpaid, to work on my site.

I can well understand how you might get discouraged, and think we're all just making it up. A webmaster on another board told me he's got six times the traffic I do, but only makes thirty bucks a month in AdSense. He said he'd have a heart attack if he got a check like the ones I get every month. But his readers are all engineers, and they don't click ads.

Zygoot




msg:1384747
 4:01 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

To make good money with AdSense you'll need some traffic. A few thousands of visitors a month in most niches won't make you rich, but with a few hundred thousands of visitors a month you can make some serious cash.

>Unless you have a website that is within TOP 10000 in the world (mine is within TOP 150000) you can not make anyting decent with Google ADs.

How do you know in which category your website is?

SeK612




msg:1384748
 4:07 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

It true that one can and perhaps should remain skeptical of such large earning from Google.

Whilst it is possible by all account to receive a large amount via this scheme but there are many factors to this that isn't conveyed by simply stating ones earning.

Of course thatís not dissuading people to join Adsense or any other affiliate program, it's simply stating that getting to the heady heights mentioned by some may take a fair bit of effort :)

petra




msg:1384749
 4:11 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I must warn you people, - many of these posts seem to be fake. I have several decent and popular websites and Google Ads are exposed on hundreds of pages all across my sites. I have "made" $180 in the last month from Google Ads on all of my websites. In adition to that I have not received Google PIN by mail yet, even if I rerequested it some time ago. Which means - I have not received my Google PIN within the last month (two maiings already) or so.
Unless you have a website that is within TOP 10000 in the world (mine is within TOP 150000) you can not make anyting decent with Google ADs. Also since this is new thing I'm not sure I will get paid since Google PIN has never arrived so far.

A disgruntled ex-publisher?

jdhuk




msg:1384750
 4:13 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Most people in these forums don't bs. Some make money from AdSense that is mind blowing for most of us.

Instead of getting frustrated and maybe a little annoyed, read what they have to say, learn from them. Ad layout, Ad type, page layout all different ways to increase visibility, learn from others what works well for them.

The high earners post here frequently, these people are the key to your success, if they can do it you can to.

Its what i keep telling myself anyway :)

PatrickDeese




msg:1384751
 4:14 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Earnings vary wildly depending on you earnings per click, click through rate and traffic.

I have sites that get ~100 visits a day, and earn $5 per click and I have sites that get ~5000 visits per days that earn $.03 per click.

I am sure there are some people lying about their adsense earnings - but there are plenty of people here making thousands of dollars per month through adsense.

ganeshcp




msg:1384752
 4:17 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Although I don't completely agree that you can't make lot of money through adsense I do agree that many of the posts about huge earnings might be lies from 12 year old budding webmasters ;)

sailorjwd




msg:1384753
 4:36 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Keep reading
Keep writing
Do a little keyword research
I didn't believe it either until it happend to me :)

clearvision




msg:1384754
 4:39 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I really think this is kinda funny:) For the longest time I have been reading these forums and have listened to peoples advice...(not feeling qualified or have made enough $ through the program to give my 2 cents). In my mind these people made a whole lot more $ than I did, so I kept plugging away ( I was happy with what I made....if I could make $1 I could make $20,000) It became more of a game to see if I could make more. Yet in my mind I just knew more was being made.

Here is the funny part - When the people I had been listening too posted their earnings, it was a kick....I made more than they did and they thought what they made was alot! GOOD FOR THEM :)

You can believe whatever you want to believe, I chose to believe these people made more, so it helped me make more!

It is your mindset really, you can look to see what is causing you to not make the money (keyword value, number of visitors, placement of ads, general appearance of your site) or you can whine that "this doesn't work".
There are two kinds of people here, 1 will say," Dang...$180 a month is a lot of money" or 2 "$180 a month is just a start".

Come looking for solutions, don't come to bash a program you just started...as we who have been doing it for some time will just laugh and say, "Too hard for you? Just right for me" :)

globay




msg:1384755
 5:02 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Unless you have a website that is within TOP 10000 in the world [...] you can not make anyting decent with Google ADs

Totally wrong. CPM varies on my pages from $0,50 to more than $100. Now go figure how much you can earn with one page which gets a few hundred visitors a day and $100 CPM.

Sobriquet




msg:1384756
 5:16 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

most posts are not fake.

there could be posts that say more than they make, which is purely a humna way.

i have a cpm of $20cpm and i wud be happy when i reach $1000 per month. I think this will take another 6 months.

I come to thsi forum for advice, and i do get decent advice.

Most people here know what they talk, what they say.

But i dotn disagree that there are a few whose claimed stats, if crosscheked in their various posts are highly misleading.

Brett_Tabke




msg:1384757
 5:29 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Earnings depend on traffic to some degree

Earnings are directly tied to click through rate - traffic is an issue, but you can do $$ more by focusing on click through rate than you can raw traffic.

7% ctr vs 1% ctr is the difference between a $1500 a month adsense income and a $200 a month income.

jenkers




msg:1384758
 5:31 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can get top 100,000 in Alexa just by installing the toolbar on my 3 pc's at home and keeping visitng my website. Problem is I can't click on my own ads as G will catch me for clickfraud. High Alexa ranking - no cash.

I'm not insinuating your rank is inflated but:

Alexa is not a reliable measure.
Traffic is a major part in making money with Adsense - but it must be quality traffic.

spaceylacie




msg:1384759
 5:33 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I made $180 since yesterday. If you don't believe me, good! The more that people get discouraged and give up, the more money for me!

ownerrim




msg:1384760
 5:43 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Unless you have a website that is within TOP 10000 in the world (mine is within TOP 150000) you can not make anyting decent with Google ADs."

There are hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of very profitable niches for which the traffic is relatively low. But it is because the traffic and the market are so narrowly defined that the niche is so potentially lucrative. Simply consider the definition of the word "niche". Niches, from a small publisher's perspective, are really what adsense was made for.

cornwall




msg:1384761
 6:11 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I must warn you people, - many of these posts seem to be fake. I have several decent and popular websites and Google Ads are exposed on hundreds of pages all across my sites. I have "made" $180 in the last month from Google Ads on all of my websites.

All I can say is "what a sad littlepost" from guy with 6 posts at WebmasterWorld

jetteroheller




msg:1384762
 6:16 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Unless you have a website that is within TOP 10000 in the world (mine is within TOP 150000) you can not make anyting decent with Google ADs

Maybe You have a fan web site

Maybe You should work over Your ad placements and colors.

david_uk




msg:1384763
 6:38 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have no idea what my ranking on Alexa is, but that doesn't seem to affect my earnings. I've never been specific about my earnings here, but I, along with many others have no reason to lie about what we earn. Just because someone claims to be a high earner, it doesn't follow that they are an 18 year old wind-up merchant. In fact, I suspect that the average age of posters here tends to be rather a lot older than 18.

If someone here is earning 100 times what I earn, then great - I'm pleased for them. If someone is earning pennies and wants help to boost that, then there is a lot of good help and advice willingly given in this forum.

Don't knock it.

MichaelCrawford




msg:1384764
 7:17 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

All I can say is "what a sad littlepost" from guy with 6 posts at WebmasterWorld

All I can say is that May is shaping up to by my best month since joining AdSense in September. September was $3200. My average performance for May so far is a little less than that, but traffic has been steadily growing for some time, and accellerating violently in the last couple weeks. If this growth continues at all I may well top $4000! Every single page on my site has dramatically higher traffic than it ever used to, in many cases by a factor of ten.

While I've been in AdSense since last year, it's only been in the last couple of months that I've done much for my site. But I am almost done with a complete, fresh new HTML design, I've been paying as much as I could spend for ads for a couple months, I've been featuring my articles one at a time in my weblog. In the last week, I've added several new articles.

I think all the work I did to improve and promote the site two months ago is starting to show up in this month's search engine referrals. I can only imagine what will happen, when what I've done the last couple weeks starts to show some results.

I looked at Alexa's traffic details for my site, and it shows that now is the most it's ever been, and climbing! I went from 180,000 to 150,000 in two weeks!

I've been up all night doing the following for each page that has my new HTML design:

- Make logo a link to my homepage. It wasn't a link before

- Make my homepage link in my navigation say just "Home". It used to say "MyCompany Homepage"

- Compose compelling meta tag for each page short enough to fit in the two lines of sample text that show up in google. Some pages didn't used to have metas, some were too long, some were poorly written. Some were too short, and google added confusing text from other parts of the page. Now they're all just right.

- On most pages, make this exact same text the first paragraph after my H1 tag.

I'm going to go to bed soon, and dream some sweet dreams.

Whoever the original poster was, take my word for it: you can make money from adsense. It takes a lot of hard work, persistence and patience. You have to ask a lot of questions, and learn from experience. Everything you need to know is already posted right here at webmasterworld, you just need to hunt around for it.

Luck has absolutely nothing to do with it.

bbkid




msg:1384765
 7:34 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

In fact, I suspect that the average age of posters here tends to be rather a lot older than 18.

I agree with you there, although i gotta admit that I am 18. I made only $180 the month before last, but I'm one that says "its only a start."
I made $600 last month.

Adsense isnt my day job. for the moment, its a good excuse for my hobby.

As far as Alexia goes, I'd never heard of it.

Swebbie




msg:1384766
 7:37 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sometimes a broken record gets stuck at the right spot, so here goes...

DIVERSIFICATION! That concept cannot be stressed enough for 99% of AdSense publishers. I've been a publisher for about a year now and the one constant I've seen throughout is that those with many sites on different topics don't have nearly the huge revenue swings that others who have only one big site do.

The other important concept is to keep adding quality content and putting the AdSense JS on those pages. Look, you can hope for higher pay-outs per click, or you can ignore that entirely and just keep on keeping on (adding more pages). Put your nose to the grindstone and write (or pay others to write for you). PUBLISH!

Think of it as planting seeds. Each page of quality content that you add is a flower ready to bloom in a few weeks or months. Follow all the Google rules and keep adding content!

I've gone from nothing to a steady monthly increase by following this simple model. Build pages around keywords that get a decent number of searches at the engines, plant those seeds (publish!), and stop pulling out your hair over the statistics.

ember




msg:1384767
 8:21 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

We don't get huge amounts of traffic but make good money with AdSense. A lot depends on the topics and keywords targeted and placement of the ads on the site, etc. You can't just throw up a site, sprinkle some ads and expect to make money. Traffic is important but it isn't everything.

wheelie34




msg:1384768
 8:24 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Swebbie

You are 100% acurate, I have been on adsense since Aug 7 03 almost 2 years now in total I have made $3273.67 thats $5.12 per day, BUT since reading this forum I tripled my earnings after implementing all the correct measures mentioned here and the help provided on googles advice pages, as you said PUBLISH, not only has my traffic increased, the revenue genrated has too ;) so from a $5 average day to a $15 just by doing the things that are advised it has worked.

My market is tourism but only a very small area you could say a niche market (not an expensive one) it is also very competative, with many sites built to catch the same small audience, my page views are on average 600 a day and I have an under 10% CTR.

So you see neonrider, not everyone here is making a huge figure, but following a few guidelines and PUBLISHING content can only increase your chances, maybe I have reache dmy max, but I KNOW many sites get a much larger audience than mine, and if they have adsense on their pages they MUST be making more than me, thats my motivation.

thatphonesite




msg:1384769
 8:33 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm Alexa rank ~19,000 and still learning how to make the most of adsense, hitting around $2000 per month at the moment.

I run a forum however, so i'm hoping the new CPM model will really benefit me, as forums generally suffer from REALLY LOW CTR (I know I do!)

P

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