| 12:18 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You probably should remove/edit out the url within your post as it is not allowed. A basic question is, are you or only one person making these clicks resulting in no payment. I think it is hard to guess with such a small amount of data/time. Usually its best to work on things over time and not count every click/penny as their reporting has delays and all the numbers are not always in sync with the others -
how much are we talking about here for 45 clicks anyways? 2.00. Don't waste your time counting pennies.
| 12:22 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You can see my join date and conclude that, i am unaware of this board rules. I will go through them tonight. I will not add any urls again.
Anyways, so, whatever i am seeing is normal?
I can say that atleast 5 of those clicks are mine.
One reason, why i clicked ads on my site is, to see if they are from my competitors.
Anyways, i will give another 5 days to see, if my earnings change.
One question for you is, why clicks/impressions change but not earning?
| 12:23 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It's impossible to figure out what goes into the adsense earnings. It's like trying to find out what goes into a chicken mcnugget. Every time you think you know, something throws you for a loop.
| 12:31 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I can say that atleast 5 of those clicks are mine. |
Don't you read ANY TOS or T&C's?
Do NOT click on your ads!
You will get thrown out before you even start.
| 12:54 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It really does sound like you've got a problem somewhere. Maybe Google hasn't started showing relevent ads yet. I don't think the system normally reports public service ad clicks, but I've heard of it happening.
Do you have a fairly small set of URL's (easy to spider; good), or do you use some kind of dynamic system that creates long URLs with lots of parameters (hard to spider; generally bad)?
Also that's a pretty light number of impressions. Does the traffic mostly come from a small group or geographic area (i.e. friends and family)?
| 1:07 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Adsense is displaying relevant ads (no more public service ads).
Also, i do have clicks from UK, netherlands, Austria, India (from my hosting reports)
Also regarding clicking ads on our own site, I ask, why should not i?
If i like some product and want to buy it, why should not i click it?
In any case, any software which bosts of detecting fraud is imperfect. They atleast need loads of data to confirm the fraud.
In my case, it is pretty much small data for them to come to that conclusion. And if they did, i can confront them.
Again, google is not the only thing out there, Yahoo is already there and MSN is also coming out.
If google says, you are banned, then i will call it quits.
It is not the end of the world.
| 1:14 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
you are very brave guy.............
[edited by: driris at 1:14 am (utc) on April 29, 2005]
| 1:14 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Also regarding clicking ads on our own site, I ask, why should not i? If i like some product and want to buy it, why should not i click it? |
Because the Adsense TOS forbids publishers clicking on ads on their own sites.
| 1:22 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Its not about being brave, but about more choices out there.
Also, be dependent on the content you provide.
In my case, my content is great and have no doubts about its popularity in coming months and years.
Thanks for all your responses.
By the way, did you guys noticed that "Yahoo searches improved a lot?"
| 1:32 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>> google is not the only thing out there, Yahoo is already there and MSN is also coming out.
Just to clarify I don't think that is exactly the case. For example I can't run yahoo at this point (still awaiting to hear from them when they open it up) and I haven't heard any time frames or even a brief mention that MS is close to having something available. I'm sure they will will time, but not today or tomorrow.
| 1:33 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
maybe you'll have better luck when Yahoo starts their program. I don't advertise on Overture so that would be fine with me.
| 8:49 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 10:03 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yahoo and MSN will eventually come into play,I would not hold my breath for an easy or better ride.
Google remains king, it has much flexibility power to counter act any competition and stay ahead.
45 clicks and only 5 cents?
Any PSA appearing on other countries?
Always best checking out by emailing google
| 10:10 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
And when Google mentions invalid clicks... just tell them you were 'QA Testing'
| 10:22 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It could be that Google has monitored self clicks and is holding commissions?
| 10:29 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Also regarding clicking ads on our own site, I ask, why should not i? |
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonble one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonble man."
George Bernard Shaw, 1903
Why should you have different T&C's?
| 1:07 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I did email them twice. No response
I called Google adwords customer service. Their response was can't help you. Only option is to email them.
I did not get any invalid clicks report yet from google. I even checked from people in India/UK and they said ads are relevant ads.
I also got 140 clicks for my website from Turkey and lebanon.
Moreover google should not loose me as their publisher. My website is a themed website based on free online invitations/announcements/greeting cards
So, my website has all valid content and related matter.
Hopefully they will resolve this issue soon. Otherwise, i have fastclick/casale media ads on my hand.
| 1:13 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I also got 140 clicks for my website from Turkey and lebanon. |
How do you know this? Are your friends clicking the ads?
|Moreover google should not loose me as their publisher. |
If you do not abide by their T&C's then you will lose your Google account...no questions asked. They will terminate if you contravene the T&C's.
Which bit of this do you not understand?
| 1:57 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Please clearly read my statements before responding.
I said 140 clicks for my website. This is from my webhosting company report.
I did not say 140 clicks to my adsense ads.
In anyways, let google come up with some correspondence and i will confront them with evidence and proof of what i did and what is happening.
| 2:22 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|In anyways, let google come up with some correspondence and i will confront them with evidence and proof of what i did and what is happening. |
My friend, please listen to reason. Have some sense, please just for a minute?
Google is a big company. Theirs is the top website in the entire world. They are very busy people.
You are very small fish for them. People who click their own ads are, in the words of one of Google's founders, "a serious threat to our business model". If Google were to allow self-clicking to occur, their advertisers would no longer be willing to pay google to serve their ads. This huge company would go bankrupt in a very short time.
They are very serious about ensuring that click fraud is swiftly punished.
You may well have a very good website, that would do very well for google. But they are very busy people. I'm pretty sure their limited support staff is overwhelmed just with the normal problems that occur. I know I've emailed them a whole bunch of times.
If they discover you are clicking your own ads, they won't ask why. They won't even look at your site to see how good it is. They don't have the TIME to.
Instead, your adsense membership will be TERMINATED. I expect you'll get a short, polite email explaining that you've VIOLATED THE ADSENSE TERMS OF SERVICE and that will be the last you'll ever hear from them.
Your attempts to get accepted back into adsense will fall on deaf ears. I'm pretty sure they will have configured their account approval system to automatically ignore your requests. They are very busy people. Understand, they simply do not have the time to pay attention.
I understand you think you have good reasons to click your ads. But you don't understand that Google simply doesn't have the time or staff resources to pay attention to you. If you want to continue publishing adsense ads, and earning money from your visitors clicks, then follow the following instructions very carefully:
DO NOT CLICK ON YOUR OWN ADS FOR ANY REASON.
Have I made myself clear?
| 2:50 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Well, I can't beat the 45 click, 5 cent payout, but for the first time I have seen one cent clicks. 3 clicks = $.03 first thing this morning.
Like others here, I have seen a steady decline over the past two months. Click through percentage has remained pretty constant. Revenue has plummeted by about 60%. At a penny a click I will need to reassess if I want to remain in the program.
Luckily, Adsense only provides a little bit of play money for me. Those that have chosen to base their primary income on this program have far more guts than I do.
| 2:58 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
willyb, I had a quick look at your site through your profile. Good informative site, but a very narrow topic, and I'm not surprised you aren't earning much per click. I was actually surprised to see on-target ads, but that may just be my ignorance of your niche.
AdSense may not be the best approach for your site....
| 3:34 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You are contradicting your own words.
You say google is a big company and on the other hand you they have small staff or not enough resources to respond to emails quickly.
Isn't it time for them to rectify and hire some people?
This is serious threat for their business model than self click fraud.
Some advertisers just want to get noticed on the web. They don't care, how many people actually register after clicking their website.
Also, i am not saying that google as to come beg for their adsense inclusion. They have their own reasons not to come and i have my own reasons to continue or not to continue in their program.
In any case, there are number of loopholes, they need to fix.
Thanks for your clear and lengthy explanation on behalf of google.
They have a phone serverice for Adwords, but not for Adsense. Can u explain why?
I simply take this to mean that, they care less for publishers and care a lot for advertisers.
Again, if publishers are not happy, there won't be any advertisers left.
| 3:42 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|They have a phone serverice for Adwords, but not for Adsense. Can u explain why? |
Because advertisers are their customers.
And yes, they need publishers, but they don't need publishers who commit breach of contract by violating the program policies.
| 4:00 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for all your responses.
I will wait weeks for google to comeback with an answer.
I will update this board with what they have to say.
In anycase google is still milking with many impressions and few clicks on my website. Impressions/clicks are updating on an hourly basis consistently, but no earnings update.
Atleast they should stop sending the ads, if they have discovered something.
| 4:05 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
An interesting angle on the upcoming Google-Yahoo-MSN "ad war"
Increased competition will lead to increased click fraud as banned publishers bunnyhop from one contextual ad service to another.
| 4:15 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I imagine that MSN and Yahoo will exploit their vast archives of web data so as to note, for a great many publishers, if Google ads once appeared and then subsequently disappeared from their sites. They may also analyze their data for advertiser codes, so as to find families of sites. That data should help them figure out with a significant degree of accuracy who is posting scrapers, and who was either terminated from or in all likelihood unsuccessful with AdSense, before they approve an application.
| 4:16 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Increased competition will lead to increased click fraud as banned publishers bunnyhop from one contextual ad service to another. |
It's quite possible that Yahoo and MSN will be more selective than Google has been. Google's strategy was to achieve a dominant market share; it's too late for Yahoo and MSN to do that, so it would make sense for them to position themselves as quality networks and skim the cream from AdSense advertisers and publishers. If that's the case, then the bottom-feeding click cheaters and scrapers will have to look for second- or third-tier networks when they get booted from AdSense.
| 4:47 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Wasted too much your time on this thread!
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