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Getting nothing but PSA ads for the past week? Read this..
skunker




msg:1404920
 12:52 am on Sep 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi all,
I've had great success using Adsense on my sites, but for the past week, I've had nothing but PSA ads. I wrote Google about this and they said there was a problem with the algorithm and that they are looking into it right now.

I wonder what is happening?

 

whizkiddo




msg:1404921
 3:43 am on Sep 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

well skunker i thought i was going crazy or something. The same thing has happened to me ,but its not that all are PSA's but they r enough to reduce my CTR to 1/4 th of the original thing. i may go crazy anyway if they dnt fix it. the prob started since 3-4 days back for us.

One more favor skunker, could u plz keep me posted on when the prob is solved by google in ur case? i d like to know since i havent written to them or anything. u can sticky me or reply in this thread only. thnx.

Sense_able




msg:1404922
 4:11 am on Sep 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I also wrote to adsense about the fact that there appeared to be many cases of just 2 ads appearing (PSAs of course).

They did not admit fault but stated that the pages in question are
now serving ads correctly

I have been really impressed by the responses from the google team that I have had over the last few weeks. They really do seem committed to help us publishers, if we ask for the help. This is in great contrast to many other companies I have dealt with over the years who reply to you as if you are a pain in the b**t.

skunker




msg:1404923
 8:28 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's been a few days now and Google still hasn't gotten back to me (they said they were originally looking into it). So, I'm still stuck with PSA ads....just to let you guys know.

justageek




msg:1404924
 8:48 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure why you all still even allow the PSA's? There are a few scripts out there that will drop the PSA's and grab another ad from somewhere else such as an affiliate program or whatever else you use or have used to generate revenue. Go to Google and search for them so you're not out any earnings at the whim of Google's testing or whatever it is that causes the PSA's. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Sorry folks. I'm venting a little bit also as I can't understand how anyone would accept the potential loss of revenue :-)

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Would you sit and look at your machine for a couple of hours or days if it had the dreaded windows blue screen on it with the hopes it'll go away?

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JAG

robho




msg:1404925
 10:09 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

There are a few scripts out there that will drop the PSA's and grab another ad

Would be nice if it was permitted, but seems to be covered in T&C 6(ii): "You shall not ... edit, modify, filter or change the order of the information contained in any Ad and/or Ad Unit, or remove, obscure or minimize any Ad or Ad Unit in any way".

Sounds like it would come under either filtering or removing.

justageek




msg:1404926
 10:49 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

or remove

I hardly think anyone can legally force you to show something on your site you don't want to and force you to not earn a living by showing PSA's for days at a time. That's almost hysterical.

But, from a tech point of view, the end result is actually not changing the ad or ad unit but simply dropping the entire stream from Google. A technical glitch if you will. Not much different from running AdSense in rotation with something else.

JAG

dougb




msg:1404927
 11:46 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

But, from a tech point of view, the end result is actually not changing the ad or ad unit but simply dropping the entire stream from Google. A technical glitch if you will. Not much different from running AdSense in rotation with something else.

If you're scraping AdSense ads to determine whether they're PSAs before displaying them, then you're breaking the spirit if not the letter of the TOS. It's not unreasonable at all for Google to prohibit this. If this is what you're doing, I'd check with Google first to be sure it's alright.

justageek




msg:1404928
 11:59 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you're scraping AdSense ads to determine whether they're PSAs before displaying them, then you're breaking the spirit if not the letter of the TOS

If Google isn't giving me contextual ads then are they still holding up their end of the bargain? Once and a while is a glitch. Days in a row is not providing the service they said they would provide.

It's nothing more than that.

JAG

cyberprosper




msg:1404929
 4:54 am on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

i would not risk it, but your argument seems reasonable. It is a waste of my site's precious space to show the PSA's ... They really need to do away with them. I think it would be good if they gave us the ability in our members section to add a number of our own text ads.

robho




msg:1404930
 8:35 am on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

the end result is actually not changing the ad or ad unit but simply dropping the entire stream from Google. ... Not much different from running AdSense in rotation with something else.

The difference is the script would be looking at the ads returned from Adsense before deciding whether or not to rotate them with something else. In other words filtering them, based on their content. A rotation would not look at the ads first.

I agree visually it would look like a rotation, and be quite hard to spot from Adsense's end (there would just be a lack of PSA clicks despite PSA's being served, which is probably normal). But it is still something they specifically disallow in their very one-sided agreement.

I'd also much prefer if we could run our own default ads, the PSA's are totally unsuitable (US-centric) for most.

justageek




msg:1404931
 11:04 am on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree visually it would look like a rotation, and be quite hard to spot from Adsense's end

Sure is. They scan some of the sites I do it on and haven't said a thing yet :-)

madmatt69




msg:1404932
 3:52 pm on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I actually noticed today that some pages in my site were serving PSA's after having a surprisingly low revenue so far today. I'll email google and see what they say... It seems to be random, like if I refresh the page I'll get real ads, sometimes PSA's.

whizkiddo




msg:1404933
 3:53 pm on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

it seems to be better then before but still not that good. lets c

Clark




msg:1404934
 4:08 pm on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

They've been good at listening to WW feedback in the past. Would be great if they did the same about PSAs. Maybe offer advertisers an option to allow ads where Google has no contextual ad for the page or to use the site theme instead. PSAs are a big loser for the publisher.

skunker




msg:1404935
 8:54 pm on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've had enough of this PSA crap. I've waited for a week now and Google hasn't said anything or done anything as they have promised. They originally said they were "looking into it" and that was that.

I've removed the ads and I've also reclaimed my valuable space with other good affiliate links such as Amazon and Fastclick.

Until Google relaxes their TOS a bit and provides a more in-depth statistics engine for the publishers, I'm going to have to pass on this.

It was good while it lasted.

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