| 4:07 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
good luck, brave man ;)
| 4:17 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I sincerely wish you well, and expect you'll succeed in the long run, but it may have been premature to quit your day job.
You have to realize it takes time to build a website. Now that you have all your time for yourself, you can certainly devote all your energies to building you're website's content. That will help, but not as much as you're hoping, not for several months at least, maybe more like a year.
It is not really economical to build traffic to a website by paying for advertising. You would be very fortunate if you made as much off adsense as you paid to advertise your site.
Instead, what you need is free advertising. You need for word to get around about your site. You need to create buzz in the public mind. You need to build search engine traffic.
Part of your problem is that the search engines won't index your new content right away, so once you publish a great new page, it won't show up in anyone's searches for a while.
The other problem is that to get the good rank you hope for, you need for your visitors to link you from their own websites. While some people are happy to give you a link if you ask - and you SHOULD ask, right on your pages - most won't. And once your readers have placed some links on their sites, it will take time for the search engines to index THEIR pages, and to find their links to your site.
It took about a year for my top earning page to get to the level of traffic it has today. It's responsible for almost all my adsense revenue. During that time I was promoting the hell out of it. All that hard work has paid off, but I would not have been able to build that page's traffic if I did not have some other way to earn a living.
Another important thing to consider is that you need to learn the ropes. Maybe you're already experienced with some other website, but do you know what strategies will work well for your current website? You need time to learn from experience.
Try to find some way you can earn enough money just to get by, while still giving you the time you need to build your site until you CAN live off its earnings. You'll be glad you did.
| 7:31 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My AdSens earning become much more than my day job salary so I have also resigned my day job since 1st May 2005.
| 7:37 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm quite inspired by how many people have reported they quit their jobs.
I have a site that already is popular and has good traffic. It took many years to achieve that. I only started to publish adsense last fall. I make quite a bit of money, but not enough to quit my job yet. I hope to be able to do so within a year though. Do you think that's realistic?
What I'd really like to do is quit writing code and write for a living instead, making my money off website advertising. I expect that if I tried I could sell my articles to magazines, but by publishing on my own website I get to keep the rights, and the articles will continue to make money. A sale to a magazine yields only one paycheck.
| 3:20 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I Quit My Job For a 100 Percent AdSense Future |
Great title on front page, Brett. :)
|Arcaida X-ray X-ray delta niner niner zero |
This is Adsense control
You are clear to go hyper space
I quit my job for an Adsense future
I quit my job for an Adsense future
Anyone want to finish off the lyrics in Foo?
| 5:07 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I keep hearing, you should branch out onto other than adSense, I would love to hear other options.
| 6:12 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Going independant based on Adsense, or anything else, has some level of risk involved in it. But in todays world, basing your future on a regular 9 - 5 job could be a bit risky too.
I'd strongly suggest diversification.
Not only adding affiliate or independant ads to a site, but also developing sites in other topic areas.
I'd also suggest using a diverse group of techniques for promotion your different sites.
Your current site and topic may be the most appealing to you, but if your main source of traffic is the SE, well we all know how fickle they can be. You can be number 1 today, and history tommorow.
If Adsense is your main source of income, the diversity of topic and technique may become even more critical.
| 7:08 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You have to decide whether working at your job for another year has too great of an opportunity cost in relation to spending all day working on what you want to work on - creating content, online advertising etc.
Tons of people have been in your situation - online income not quite to the level of job income yet they make the jump anyway. In a few months they are doing great and making much more than their job and doing what they love as well.
No risk = no reward. Keep doing what you are doing and you'll continue to get the same results.
Try these posts:
| 9:58 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|You have to file with the state and then either the city, county, or both |
Since this is not true in any state or city in the US I am aware of, I would recommend simply speaking with an accountant for 3 minutes.
|I know a lot of work-at-home-ers but none of them are lazy. |
Hmmm....we must hang in different circles :)
I was thinking the other day how it would be an adventure to go into an office job right now. I would have to iron my bathrobe everyday :)
| 10:25 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Honestly...some of you people talk such nonsense! I havent worked for anyone but myself for the last 8 years. If you have half a brain you can make a great living from the Internet - whether from AdSense or from some other simple idea. Just get on and do it. I started with AdSense in late 2003. I now see monthly revenue of 70,000 US and plenty more from other affiliate programmes. Making £1m or $2m from affiliate marketing is very achievable for anyone who is smart and has a few years experience. How many day jobs pay that?
| 10:41 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Brave isn't the word for it. I hope you've already got enough income built up in your sites now, or at least when you started. I'd not like to quit my job and THEN start increasing income from adsense...
| 4:49 am on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I had just my first new client direct by my AdSense pages.
Normal, is's much more easy to work as a journalist than to sell web design seminars.
Not so in this case. This company is preparing to present a new product.
He was shocked as I told him that I am a journalist, because he had the idea, that I could help him to make a new web site and had very bad experiences with journalists before.
I explained him, that shure I make also web sites and deliver seminars how to do it, but because I experienced at so much potential clients, that they wail about the money, I just opened a new business line by creating advertising financed online magazines.
This is like the message "I am so good in internet promotion, that I thought writing an article about You brings me more money by the advertising revenues, than You would pay for a web site".
| 5:27 am on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Since this is not true in any state or city in the US I am aware of, I would recommend simply speaking with an accountant for 3 minutes. |
I suggest you find a different accountant :)
Go to online option and look for Internet Web based business.
My city has a downloadable pdf to fill out to get my city license. At the top of the form it has a checkbox for home internet/web based business.
I had to call the county and talk to the accessor about claiming property and when and how I have to do this.
My bank says strictly that you may NOT use a personal account to conduct business.
I must also file with the IRS quarterly.
I randomly picked the state of Maryland and guess what, you need a business license their also.
Try under "Producing, Transmitting and Distributing Information"
Here is a gov site with links to all states,
And this is from a site whose link I probably can't post but you can find if you do a search on google for "us business license requirements"
|These rules apply to All States & All businesses |
Including businesses run by professionals, contractors, online Websites, selling on ebay, home businesses, Sole Owners, partnerships, corporations, or any other business.
I am not sure if this site is 100% accurate and i'm not going to take the time to look up the rules for every state but I believe many people just don't realize these rules and are operating illegally.
| 5:41 am on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Back when I first opened my business account, my bank wanted a photocopy of my business license. I told them I didn't have one, but promised to get one Real Soon Now. At the time I lived in Santa Cruz, California.
Once a week or so I'd get a call from the branch manager asking about it, because they said it was an "audit flag": they were not permitted to give me an account without a license.
Around this time I moved out of the city to nearby Aptos, in the unincorporated county of Santa Cruz. The next time the branch manager called, I asked where to go to get an Aptos business license. She said, "Oh, you live in the County now? Actually you don't need one anymore".
Requirements for business licences vary quite a bit from location to location. In California, it was the cities that required them. Maybe some states require them of all businesses in the state. But definitely not all states. You need to find out, and I think the advice of asking an accountant is a good one.
You have to understand that the reason for things like business licenses is so they can enforce things like traffic and parking regulations. If you really are just operating a website from your home, and you don't ever have customers from the city where you live, certainly if none of them visit you in your home, well maybe you'd be operating illegally to not have a license, but I doubt anyone would bother you, even if they were to find out.
I asked at the town office when I moved to Owl's Head, Maine, if I needed to have a license if I was incorporated? My neighbor had a license for her home based business. The town clerk said she didn't know. I used to visit the town office on other business frequently, and she knew I ran a business out of my home, but she never asked again about it.
But I do know that Owl's Head used business licenses to enforce against a home based business: a previous owner of the house where I lived ran an auto body shop out of the garage. He'd work in it nights and weekends, making all kinds of racket late into the night, exposing the neighborhood to toxics and so on. My neighbors were able to use the city ordinances to shut him down.
That's the kind of home based business that better have a license, and to be sure they have planning commission approval for their impact on the neighborhood. A home based website just isn't like that.
| 6:07 am on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
affi: "from other affiliate programmes"
| 5:21 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|You need to find out, and I think the advice of asking an accountant is a good one. |
No, good advice would be using this link [sba.gov...] to check with your state to see if your type of business needs a license to operate. Laws change constantly and your accountant may be unaware but you state website should always be up to date. There is really no need to argue this subject, simply go to your state website and see if you need a license. I am curious which states don't require a license, feel free to show your state.
When getting your state license they should tell you how to find out if you need a city or county license. The main reason they want people to have a business license is for reporting your earnings quarterly to the IRS. Just as when you work for an employer every week and they take out so much for taxes and social security they want to make sure the self-employed have enough taken out throughout the year so they don't end up in trouble come tax time. Beyond that, if you live in the city and get a license then you become part of your local chamber of commerce and many other doors open to you. Needless to say the penalty you might incure if you have been operating without a license for years and they find out and backcharge you with interest.
Even if they your state doesn't require a license today they very well could require one tommorow. I don't have to worry about things like that because I am licensed and legal. I really see no reason not to get licensed since it doesn't really cost that much anyway.
| 10:21 pm on May 1, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I don't mean to sound discouraging (I'm a full timer and have been for many years...), but 100% adsense would scare me to death.
You have to ask yourself how much you are making with the next best thing. Those are the first two places competing for your adspace. They will eventually converge, and Adsense would love to have more of the money they are paying you right now.
Who really knows when that happens. I personally love Adsense, but business is business, and I'm sure that they aren't that concerned with me. I'm in full agreement with anyone who says to build diversified income streams. Any surprises will be a minor setbacks instead of a crushing blows.
| 8:43 am on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I agree with 'oneguy' very much. Adsense can perform a lot better on certain types of site than any other program. Unless you can force yourself to learn how to make good money elsewhere - you are taking some massive risks.
I think that if you find more than 50% of your income is Adsense, you're going to have to sit down and build non-adsense stuff. Even if it doesn't pay as well...
Or we might see a future thread:
'Last Friday, I quit my Adsense for a Job'
Or even worse:
'How to monetise 1000 content sites now Adsense doesn't pay well any more'
| 9:17 am on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
".....Last Friday, I quit my Adsense for a Job....."
Nice one :)
| 2:46 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I've quit my job back in September last year and now I'm (trying) to work while on an 8 month long trip around Europe (I'm from the US) - currently in Seville learning some Flamenco guitar. :) now life can truly be enjoyed, so ENJOY!...
| 3:48 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I got a great laugh from this thread. I followed the SBA link to various state's licensing laws, looked at Alabama's biz license FAQ's and it says if you are conducting or involved in a biz that is on their official list then you are required to get a state license--now the funny part. The list seems to have been written in the 1800's and not updated much since, except to add several auto related catagories.
Nothing of any internet, computer or IT nature is mentioned.
But these are:
Circuses; Coal and coke dealers maintaining yards; Coffins and caskets; manufacturers; Creosoting, etc.; Embalmers; Fireworks; Flying jennies, merry-go-rounds, etc.; Fortunetellers, palmists, clairvoyants, etc.; Hide, fur, etc., dealers; Ice factories; Junk dealers; Legerdemain and sleight of hand; Peddlers and itinerant vendors; Playing cards; Pistols, revolvers, bowie and dirk knives, etc.; Roadhouses, nightclubs, etc.; Street fairs and carnivals; Trading Stamps; and I swear I am not making this up...Ticket Scalpers
So for anyone in Alabama, looks like no state license is required for computer related work. I know this is slightly divergent....but true and gave me a good laugh.
| 4:26 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)|
MichaelCrawford - I have worked articles and other creative writing into sites, and currently earn a couple hundred dollars per month from them. I decided after a try or two not to go the "article syndication" route, except to give a fluff article to get some quick inbound links.
License? Don't need no stinkin' license, but if they did in my town I'd get it. But if it allows them to impose a fee or extra tax, then there are options to form an LLC or incorporate in states like Delaware and Nevada.
Banks? Don't ask, don't tell. Adsense and other side income checks deposit in my name without problems for over 10 years. If the business is going to be in a name other than yours, then you have fewer options. But there may be some internet-based banking options.
Adsense only? Wow - kudos. I'm looking to leave a stable gig when my diverisifid income gets to the magic $333 per day... or $444 before factoring in taxes and operating costs.
| 3:11 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I gave up my own business late last year, for Adsense. It was a sewing business that I spent most of my adult life establishing. I just closed the doors one day, out of the blue, so I could concentrate on Adsense.
Now this is true.... one of my family members had me committed! Really, I was held in a mental health facility for about 5 days! No one believed me when I told them that I was going to make money from giving away my sewing patterns and offering free online sewing lessons instead of selling them. They said this was a dillusional thought, LOL! I think about those doctors every time I take one of my checks to the bank!
I work from home now, whenever I'm in the mood. Bills are paid and over the past few months, I've finally, for the first time in my life, been able to start a nice savings account. I like to keep thousands of dollars just laying around the counter when the relative who had me committed comes by for a visit! I also keep my most recent Google check tacked to the refrigerator, to show off, and don't deposit it until I get a new one.
| 3:19 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
LOL, best story ever. I hope the mental health facility had internet access.
| 3:21 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Is that why you use spacey? :)
| 3:28 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
LOL, no they didn't have Internet access but I used up 3 notepads in those 5 days writing new content for my site, then I posted the info when I got home! I'm still making money from that content!
| 4:00 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I guess that as long as I get notepads and get to keep my work then I could do with 5 days in the funnyfarm to concentrate!
Goodness! Had your "helpful" relative heard of the Net? Or maybe s/he was a bitter Internet ex-VC! That's really playing with fire, getting locked up because your relative doesn't understand a business idea.
NEWS AT 11: BANK MANAGERS GIVEN POWERS TO LOCK UP ANYONE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND
NEWS AT 12: WORLD ECONOMY DOWN TUBES AS ACTUARIES SEND ALL BANK MANAGERS TO THE LOCK-UP
| 4:05 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
That's the best story told here in years :)
| 4:17 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Scary that someone can get you locked up so easily.
| 4:18 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|LOL, no they didn't have Internet access but I used up 3 notepads in those 5 days writing new content for my site, then I posted the info when I got home! I'm still making money from that content! |
Damn I should be committed, then I could get some great new content.
| 4:35 pm on May 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Oh, you just don't even understand how mad I was when this happened.... and out to prove a point!
My family was just shocked that I had closed down a successful business. One of my sisters had worked for me. Customers were angry too, until I told them that they could soon get the same information and patterns, for free, online.
Making money by giving things away... Google must be part of my dillusion, and the lady at the bank who cashes my checks, she must be in on it too!
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