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Well, It Just Happened To Me
My account was disabled for invalid clicks
suzyvirtual

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 3:18 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Okay, so I am an established webmaster (been doing this full time since 1999), an established webmasterworld paricipant and in the USA. I haven't clicked my own ads or engaged in any kind of "funny business". I have actually noticed quite a drop in my adsense revenue lately, as opposed to any suspicious clicks...
I just got an email that my adsense account has been closed due to invalid clicks. It is a totally out-of-nowhere slap in the face. Though I have only been using adsense for about 4 months, I have been an adwords advertiser for about 2 years and have spent at least 6 figures INTO the system.
Ugh, is there any recourse? From what I've read it doesn't seem like there is...
Any advice/experience is very appreciated.

 

dollarshort

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 3:27 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Possible suspects, ex-girlfriend, jealous relatives, the girl you never asked out, the list goes on and on, I wish they would give us a warning so we can take some action.

ecahoon

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 3:28 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Weird - I just kicked out an hour ago also. Totally out of the blue. Have had AdSense on my site for over a year.

I feel the same way you do suzy - I am clueless as to what happened all of a sudden...

I guess it is an opportunity to look at other options! See ya Google!

suzyvirtual

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 3:35 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dollarshort, I have 2 possible avenues of suspicion as far as that goes.

1. This boy that has a crush on me that has been asking inordinant amounts of questions into "what i do for a living" and may have thought he was doing me some kind of favor.

2. I have family (kids) staying with me for spring break and they could have clicked on random weird stuff they found on my computer.

Other than these, i am totally clueless and pretty sick to my stomach too. Speaking of which, does anybody with experience in this know if you get paid for past months. Will I get my Feb check? What about March up until the point they booted me?

creepychris

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 3:41 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

suzyvirtual, sorry to hear that. You may get your feb check but almost certainly won't get march's earnings.

added: money talks. Get your adwords rep to put in a word for you. 6 figures is a lot of money.

Firemile

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 3:51 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just more proof that following all the adsense rules does not mean you'll be in the program tommorrow.

I for one welcome some Yahoo competition.

freeflight2

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 4:27 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

suzy: sorry to hear that... ask the kids if they did 2.)

teeceo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 4:31 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just got kicked out as well but, I am guilty as charged:). I build what people are now calling scraper sites and well, i guess adsence teem doesn't like them so they showed me the door.....

I am now waiting for overture/yahoo to come with a adsence type of thing, then without the fear of losing all ones money I will indeed have the last laugh;).

[edited by: teeceo at 4:41 am (utc) on Mar. 24, 2005]

suzyvirtual

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 4:32 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I am trying to breathe deeply so that I can ask the young'uns without chomping off anyone's head in the process--it may be tomorrow before that is possible.
Seriously though, they have hardly been on my work computer at all (i have another "play" one). So, it is pretty unlikely that it is their fault.

suzyvirtual

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 4:34 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

teeceo, i happen to use the skyscaper format of ad often. but, my sites do have lots of relevant content. You don't suppose my ad format could be the problem? The email specifically said that my account was disabled for "invalid clicks" -- I assume your cancellation email said something different? no?

teeceo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 4:38 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

no, my email said "invalid clicks" but, I built a "scraper site" not used skyscraper ads.;). I bet alot of others will come out of the woodwords with there "invalid clicks" stories real soon as it looks like adsence did a "sweep" of a bunch of accounts.

suzyvirtual

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 5:01 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

My brother just stopped by and I was kvetching about this company dropping me from their program and how I lost a revenue stream of thousands a month and I was unsure if they would send me the thousands that I had already made with them, and he said, "did they go out of business or something?" and I started laughing and said, "No! It was google!"
It just had me thinking how ironic this is because in all my years of doing this (webmastering) I have rarely been scr*wed over by anybody and I've worked with tons of low profile companies that made me way more nervous that they wouldn't pay up etc. -- and now it's google, of all people, that gives me trouble...

Seige

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 9:09 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

What exactly is a scraper site? One that's built for adsense? or mirror of other webpages? or directory listings? Pretty confused.

Atticus



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 9:20 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seige,

A scraper site is generated by a php script. The script seeks out and copies the SERPs for search terms on Google.

The result is a site with a myriad of unrelated content, consisting of nothing but links and snippets from web sites that appear high on Google SERPs.

The idea seems to be that Google titles and snippets contain all the juice these sites need to place in the top ten themselves.

These sites almost always have Goggle Adsense ads prominently displayed. They have no value of their own and exist only to rank well and generate money from Adsense.

Some of these scraper sites link to other sites with questionable 302 and meta refresh links that cause the formerly well ranking target pages to fall out of the Google SERPs.

Scraper sites are bad.

frox

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 10:53 am on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

suzyvirtual: I have a very similar backgorund: webmaster since 1997 and before, adwords since 2 years, adsense since a few months. (much smaller scale for adwords & adsense, though) So you have all my comprehension.

For the benefit of the Google people that will be reading this, I repeat what I already wrote: Google, please give us ANY way to monitor our clicks ourselves against frauds.

You are doing this, let us do this work for you. I understand this would somehow reveal your methods, but give us at least some partial data to work with: believe me, scrupolous webmasters will check for frauds in their clicks better than your staff!

We will be happy to forfeit revenues coming from suspect clicks!

We will be happy to block ads to suspect IPs!

We will be happy to volounteer our time in this, as it could be a way to save our account!

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:07 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Suzy

First, I'm sorry to hear you lost your AdSense account.

I have actually been waiting for a thread like this to appear on WebmasterWorld. We've seen them before, of course, but generally it's a post by a brand new member (usually first post). Without wishing to sound disrespectful to any new member here, it does make a difference when you hear this from someone who's name you at least recognise.

It would be really helpful if you could give some info about your site - what type of site it is, your average AdSense impressions etc?

It would be nice to get some metrics together.

As for getting your account back, I think it unlikely from what I have read of others experience. However, I think the advice of talking to your AdWords rep. is good. As stated, money talks...

For what it's worth, most of the threads I've read on this subject have ended up with the banned account holder saying something along the lines of ".... I checked my stats on a mates computer, who clicked on ads while I was in the loo..." etc.

Were you in the habit of checking your stats/visiting your control panel on machines other than your own PC?

TJ

dirkji

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:24 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sorry to hear you're account is closed Suzy.

Did you show adsense on 1 site or on several?
Do you have forums on your site?
Do you have chat on your site?

Kind regards,

Dirk.

lammert

WebmasterWorld Senior Member lammert us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:30 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have actually noticed quite a drop in my adsense revenue lately, as opposed to any suspicious clicks...

Other posters also mentioned that they first saw their earnings and CTR drop for some period before the account was disabled.

Could this be due to an automatic "invalid clicks" filter at Google which tries to filter out inappropriate clicks, and when this reaches a certain level the account is disabled? I remember some time ago there was a discussion that such a filter might use overcompensation: when N invalid clicks are detected the statistics are compensated for N*f clicks, where f is a factor larger than 1 to compensate for undetected invalid clicks.

If so, dropping CTR might be a sign for invalid clicks, where until now I was thinking that unnatural increasing CTR was the sign for invalid clicks.

steve40

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:35 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Suzy
sorry to hear about your adsense account , like others have said this seems much closer to home than 1st time posters saying account disabled and shows we are all vulnerable

hope you can get to the bottom of why account disabled for your own piece of mind and hopefully use your spending power with G to look into re-instatement

steve

RoySpencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:35 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

trillianjedi:
Something you said has me worried...we check our Adsense stats from about 4 different PCs...is this a bad thing?

lammert

WebmasterWorld Senior Member lammert us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:41 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

we check our Adsense stats from about 4 different PCs...is this a bad thing?

It is a bad thing if you don't have control of these PC's all the time. Others might click on your ads from the same PC and Google will see it as a click from a computer under control of the account owner.

I only check my statistics from two PC's and I am the only user of these PC's. Furthermore I have disabled the displaying of adsense on these PC's and other computers connected to the internet with the same IP which makes it impossible for me, or users on my local network, to click the ads. It is no life insurance, but better than nothing.

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:48 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Roy - yes, and I've got into trouble on here for saying it before too ;-)

I say it because almost all of the threads like this I have seen have ended up with a post from the banned account holder stating that it had happened. I'm looking for a correlation, it was not an authoritative "this can cause problems" comment.

You can see the logic though - AdSense Control Panel sets a cookie on the PC used to succesfully login to that account. User B comes along and clicks on ads.

If I were google, this would be the first "quick and dirty" check.

For this reason, I have never logged into my AS control panel from any PC other than one in my control, and that's my own. Never anything else.

If I ever get banned for an unexplained reason, we'll know that can be ruled out completely. Until then, as I say, I'm looking for correlations.

Furthermore I have disabled the displaying of adsense on these PC's and other computers connected to the internet with the same IP which makes it impossible for me, or users on my local network, to click the ads.

I do the same.

TJ

RoySpencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:49 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

thanks for clarifying, lammert. We will have to make sure our families don't click on even a single ad, since this could lead to us being dropped from Adsense.

RoySpencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 12:55 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, thanks, TJ.

bts111

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 1:02 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I went travelling through New Zealand at Christmas time and checked my account sometimes twice a day from computers in hotels, airports and also internet cafes.

Having always been reluctant to login into my account from anywhere else, I did not want to miss anything, so I tried it.

I always made sure that all traces of what I did on a PC were gone.

My account is still active and that was three months ago.

[edited by: bts111 at 1:07 pm (utc) on Mar. 24, 2005]

RoySpencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 1:06 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

...why can't Google just limit the number of ad clicks it will "accept" from a computer/IP address to a certain number per day (say, 2)? There's got to be a better system, since a competitor can so easily destroy another site's account.

Seige

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 1:10 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't actually think a couple of clicks over an entire month will get you booted. A couple of clicks would make you what, $5 if you are lucky? But what is $5 compared to a 4 digit monthly income from google? Surely there is a tolerance level for such "accidents", right?

I don't click on my own ads intentionally. But I did happened to click on my own ads a couple of times. Accidental (and experimental when I started the programme a long time ago).

Surely, your friends or family clicking on your own ads can't be a reason. I would like to hear more comments though.

Firemile

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 1:14 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am just hoping to survive these bannings until yahoo opens its doors. Then atleast I have somewhere to move to.

My website is very small, but I do make a $XX from adsense every day and $0 from cj.com. I am really not looking forward to the day when my earnings drop to 0.

Firemile

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 1:18 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Honestly, I believe if we lined up all the banned members websites it might be easy to figure out a corralation between them.

I am guessing Google has less "invalid click" tolerance from a site about mesothelioma than one about training seeing-eye dogs for handicapped children in Sudan.

I'm not saying that all the sites banned were crap-sites, but I wondering if a majority of them are "low-quality".

Webwork

WebmasterWorld Administrator webwork us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5780 posted 1:25 pm on Mar 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Like many others here I am a champion of a fair and just world, which means allegations of unfairness disturb and concern me. So, I went looking for insight into what may have lead up to SuzyVirtual's account termination. The most useful evidence I had to work with was to check SV's most recent posts - per SV's profile - to see if there was any indications about the nature of SV's business interests, business practices, etc. that could have lead to SV's fall from grace.

I find the first post I've cited to be prescient.

The second and third posts may indicate that SV engaged in business practices that were either riskier/dubious (typo URLs) or for more select publishers (adult material). SV may have been associated with individuals through these other practices (typosquatting, adult material) who either saw no problem in "helping" SV or who saw no problem in hurting SV.

Thread: Anyone contact Google over any issue

SuzyVirtual: "I have never contacted google. I have had really weird adsense days. My account still exists."

[webmasterworld.com...]

.

Thread: How can Yahoo lure away AdSense publishers

SuzyVirtual: "allow adult subject matter"

[webmasterworld.com...]

.

Are mistypes of URLS profitable

SuzyVirtual: "Can be a moneymaker. . .depending on URL and where you direct it."

[webmasterworld.com...]

There's more to learn if SV responds to TrellianJedi's post.

On the other hand, per advice given here, SV may be able to negotiate redemption from sin (it's almost Easter), in which case SV may be 1) sworn to secrecy; and 2) that may lead to the end of the poster known as SV, who may reappear as another new name.

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