| 8:17 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)|
If you have been disabled due to invalid clicks, consider looking into some of the AdSense alternatives in the advertising forum [webmasterworld.com].
| 9:10 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 11:15 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yes pattern: You not only clicked on your ads, but you also violated other TOS for the program.
1) You put only ads on your home page and no substantial text (three words linked that allow you into the rest of the site).
2) Worse, you created your own advertisement for the site that urged members to click on an ad a day. And you made this posting:
"NOW let me explain to you WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO to SUPPORT [SITENAMEEDITEDOUT]
-As a valued member and well wisher you may click these ads(read above para)...everyday.Its benefitting if you can CLICK THEM EVERYDAY ATLEAST 10 TYMES ...AT REGULAR INTERVALS (at a strecth clicks from an ip wont be calculated)...! Even if the links are not interesting to you...this is the ONLY thing we are asking you to do to support us!
LIKEWISE if you click 10 CLICKS PER DAY AT VARIOUS TYM INTERVALS..then THATS WHAT WE CALL A WELL WISHING MEMBER!
To get the songs and other stuff free..EVERY MEMBER will have to do this for us without fail! Help us to Help you out!
Hope all members read this and is aware hereafter on the importance of clicking the ads. "
| 11:19 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)|
For some reason, the 'i just got disabled' post brings new users to this forum.
| 11:22 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Wow, this is getting to be a pattern.
Makes you wonder if more quality control needs to be done during the initial application stage (and maybe a quick check 1 or 2 weeks after to see the actual implementation).
Nice find, diamondgrl.
| 11:47 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Oh what a shame for you chullanz
But of course you did nothing wrong and fully abided by the TOS of adsense
and suppose now you will wonder why you do not recieve a check from Google
If only G can catch another 100 more like you then advertisers may feel better about using content in their campaigns
| 12:39 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Took me a few minutes to find the site, but I see the same thing diamondgrl does. Very brazen.
And why is it always the sites with the most ads, and the most aggressive promotion of affiliate programs, that also expect you to pay cash directly via a "donate" button?
| 1:46 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I found a website that also requested people to click on the ads and even posted the daily stats from adsense right on the site.
I sent an email to adsense, said I was a publisher and wanted to point out a site that made publishers look bad.
They sent me an email back thanking me for pointing out the website. Two days later, all google ads were gone from the offending site.
| 2:35 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Two days later, all google ads were gone from the offending site. |
And two days after that they probably came here and made a post that said "Why did Google disable my account?"
| 2:51 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I run a Google adwords campaign and I know there are a lot of click frauds. Everytime I have lodged a support ticket complaint with Google they end up refunding me $200-300. I also know that everytime I lodge a complaint, Google ends up suspending the site in question because they investigate the matter more closely. Now that is a sad fact.
If I report, I will end up suspending some site like yours and thus get you removed from Adsense, but if I don't report I lost $200-300 every couple of days.
Just don't click fraud and you wont have an issue.
| 5:42 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
a good acronym to use in the future would be CFPP--
click fraud pattern poster
| 5:58 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Glad to see Google are enforcing their policies.
Makes life easier for those of us who bend over backwards not to break the TOS.
The more bogus sites Google boots off, the better.
| 6:37 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Whoa!. Do a search for: "Please click the ads". Not Pretty!
| 6:58 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
googleguy, do what sonny suggested. Fresh meat!
| 6:58 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|a good acronym to use in the future would be CFPP-- |
click fraud pattern poster
Another one: RTFTOS.
Read the ******** TOS.
| 7:35 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I confess to being a little mystified why such sites are still in such great abundance. I personally would have endless fun looking for and stopping such fraud.
If I worked for Google, I would think I could find, investigate and terminate the accounts of, say, 4 an hour. (Since finding the frauds with effective Google searches is like shooting fish in a barrel, it could go much quicker but ass-covering due diligence and paperwork would slow things down a bit.) Then assuming you worked 8 hours a day (not the normal Google 10-14), you could get rid of 30 a day, about 500 a month. A diligent investigator could surely push that to >1000 a month.
Sure, I'm simplifying it but it seems like a few dozen people could do an amazing job at terminating many hundreds of publishers a day. Automated procedures should probably catch another few thousand a day. Wouldn't this be enough to keep the program fairly clean?
| 7:57 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
There are, of course, many other searches that turn up such frauds:
"please click on the google"
"please click" ads
Or, more phenomenal:
google "please support"
It's hard to conclude anything but that Google has a huge problem to deal with here. Surely the reputation of its program is worth $10 million a year in fraud-busters.
| 8:30 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The situation is even more terrible. There seems to be software to construct sensless pages, where only something as stupid as the software of a search engine spider thinks there is content.
Just searched for <snip>
And the first 23 results had been redirected to the same spamer.
[edited by: Jenstar at 5:46 pm (utc) on Mar. 12, 2005]
[edit reason] No specifics to specific publisher sites please [/edit]
| 9:43 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Interesting that so many of the sites showing up on searches such as
"Please click the ads" google
| 10:29 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This is great stuff. I hope no one minds if I put these ideas together and submit them out as a story idea to several SE/Webmaster Blogs/magazine sites.
There is a great story here.
| 11:01 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Maybe a bit out of topoick but i have 3 reasons i never applyed for adsence
1:imagine have to update a few tones of pages puting on the usual script and one day a competitor with some duzin of friends in various places like colleges schools companies ech. all together start clicking on those adds 50 times a day ,so next week my account is closed,then what?
2:I rank very well in Yahoo if do that i will be vanished from there index and have only my home page ,pages indexed,as usually happens.
3:i earn good money from other sources.
| 11:05 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Those comments should be expected of someone who is ignorant of AdSense by never having participated in it.
| 11:30 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
so i am uneducated in the benefits of adsence mr freedom,i do well with my monthly income i dont want to be a millionare(LOL)from adsence.
| 11:46 am on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hey, whatever works for you. I don't care. I just think your comments were off the mark.
| 12:56 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I haven't seen AdSense hurt ranking in Yahoo! results.
| 12:58 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Nice catch, DG.
Sure hope Google is using this technique..
I just used the adsense contact form at the bottom of
[google.com...] to advise them to try searching on their own engine.
It's just crazy that within five minutes I can find three websites that are advising their users to click on the ads by google.
| 5:26 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It sure would be great if googleguy would address many of the issues raised at the forum.
| 9:03 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This issue is causing anger amongst ordinary ASense users for one reason - we are paying for these cheaters.
I have found forums where the owners asked the other members to have a "click day on Google---go mad!" and by the end of the day, the members reporting they had "worn out my mouse" clicking on the ads.
Now, of course G will non count many of these but I imagine a huge amount of these "invalid clicks" do get through. And we end up paying down the line through "smart pricing".
Hey, here's a smart idea...enforce your own ToS for once.
Diamond mentioned $10million to fix this. This is a problem that would cost $50,000 to fix. Offer $5 per crooked domain found and reported in the correct manner to G and the problem is gone by the end of THIS month.
But there is one big reason this won't happen and it pains me to say it:
| 8:08 am on Mar 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This search idea does rather bring a new light to all those "I did nothing wrong yet they kicked me" threads. It's horrifying! I hope G has read the thread and is doing this!
Typical example below:-
|First, thank you for taking the time to read this notice. These galleries are hosted and maintained by normal (i.e. poor) college students. We don't make any profit from this site; rather, we have to pay roughly $10 per month for web hosting, not to mention the time it takes to upload the pictures and code the web pages. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was just a one time thing. But the fact is, it's a recurring thing, and it builds up. The only "revenue" we get is from google ads placed on top of each page. Although it doesn't cover the entire cost of web hosting, it does help. So if you have it in your hearts, please click the ads! It's not a big deal for you (just a click), but it means a lot to us. Thank you, and enjoy the show. (^_^ |
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