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How to capture old traffic plus get G to count it as ad impressions?
trader




msg:1326607
 4:47 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Recently purchased 3 domain names which have good traffic going to the old websites, most of which comes from a number of outside links which goes to various htm pages at the old sites, not the index page.

Did not buy the old htm pages, only the domains, making a new index page only for each domain. Domain A and G each had 50,000 old htm pages under the old website ownership bringing traffic from links and SE indexing too.

Domain-A according to both weblizer and another counter gets 600 visits/day but get only 20/day impressions according to the adsense url channel.

Domain-G according to both weblizer and another counter gets 550 visits/day but get only 30/day impressions according to the adsense url channel. That means an incredible 95% of the actual traffic is NOT being counted by Google Adsense!

Domain-S according to both weblizer and another counter gets 700 visits/day but get only 200/day impressions according to the adsense url channel.

That's 1,850/day but a relatively low number of 270 adsense impressions are reported by G, with very few clicks or income.

We have written Adsense support several times asking how this is possible? They reply with several possible common reasons but none seem applicable and all look somewhat far fetched.

Apparently adsense does not count automated hits including redirections, as real ad impressions, just like they also do not count those kinds of ad clicks.

The only unusual thing with these 3 domains (and which they all have in common) is the vast majority of their traffic is coming from links which go to old htm files which are not in the folder (again, I only puchased the domain, not the files, don't even know the old htm file names, more than 100,000 of them). All I have setup is one page (index.html) for each site. Only a small fraction of traffic goes directly from the links to the index.html page.

To not lose any traffic I prefer to not send the visitor to an error code page (though it may be the proper or correct way to do it) but insetad simply redirect them to the home page.

Any solution to this issue on ways to both get all the traffic and also get adsense to record the traffic as impressions? Thanks.

 

trader




msg:1326608
 1:43 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone here? Please help me! I may have wasted tons of money buying the above 3 domains which I am unable to monetize due to this issue!

If no one here has the knowledge or inclination to offer help then can someone at least tell me where I may go to get help on a paid basis? Am more than glad to pay for assistance on this if that is what it takes to get a little help!

trader




msg:1326609
 8:56 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am quite disappointed about the lack of response from anyone here regarding this issue, though it has unfortuantely happened before in other forums here and also other venues too.

Like I said before, I would be glad to pay for help on this issue.

Would I be better off posting this in a different forum perhaps? I am guessing this forum gets little action, especially judging by the fact there has only been 1 other post since my last post?

Perhaps a Mod could reply to me?

vkaryl




msg:1326610
 3:24 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

You would no doubt get a ton of info in the Supporters' Forum were you a subscriber. You MIGHT get some "maybe decent" info in the google fora.

I seriously doubt this is a Website Tech issue.

trader




msg:1326611
 4:46 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

You would no doubt get a ton of info in the Supporters' Forum were you a subscriber. You MIGHT get some "maybe decent" info in the google fora. I seriously doubt this is a Website Tech issue.

Thanks but I hesitate somewhat paying since a lack of help or replies to my posts have been common in the free forums in the past, not just this issue. So I can't help but wonder if it would be poor response also at the subscribed area too?

BTW, what is the Google fora and I will also post this there?

I still am disturbed about how tough it is to get any help at webmasterworld and also other venues I have tried before, perhaps the boards are just not too active or well visited, or else members may not be so good on technical issues (even though this one would seem to be not that complex)?

Why do you doubt it is a website tech issue anyway, just wondering? I have posted this in this forum too in the past but again no help then so thought I would try a new forum.

Really don't think this belongs in Adsense judging by poor response in the past coupled with the fact most adsense users are probably not really techies or geeks anyway, but I may be wrong in thinking that.

I am surprised no one not even the Mods can suggest a place I go and pay for such assistance if the help and problem solution is actualy given?

[edited by: trader at 4:54 am (utc) on Jan. 22, 2005]

no9t9




msg:1326612
 4:54 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

i dont know if you've considered this, but does your index page actually have enough content? maybe your ads are defaulting. are you running the google adsense ad collapsing script?

i ran the google adsense collapse script as a default for one of my ad blocks. the result of running that google script is that there is no ad displayed (hence no impression).

trader




msg:1326613
 4:57 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have other sites with less content and the impressions are recorded, not 95% non-credited impressions. G has already told me the impressions are almost all non-valid, so that is not the problem.

No, not running the google adsense collapsing script you refer to, never heard of it until now when I searched for it.

no9t9




msg:1326614
 5:04 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

it is just a javascript code that google wrote in case you simply didn't want to display an ad if google defaulted.

Basically, the javascript just makes it so that the ad and the space the ad takes up disappears. So, instead of defaulting to PSA, the script defaults to nothing.

the link is here. Don't know if WW forum allows it though...
https://www.google.com/adsense/alternateads#collapse

no9t9




msg:1326615
 5:08 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

so is google telling you that redirection is the problem? Do you think writing a simple javascript "page refresh" on your landing page will work? So the ads reload?

dmz17




msg:1326616
 5:11 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you bought the domain in order to monetize it via adsense, but didn't buy its content, then you made a mistake.

The traffic you are getting from search engines will disappear in a month or two once their crawlers revist your sites and only find a home page.

creepychris




msg:1326617
 6:04 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Use the wayback machine or the Google cache to find out what was on those urls. Offer something similar so that you keep the links and the rankings. slap adsense on those page. just a thought.

Rodney




msg:1326618
 7:42 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I still am disturbed about how tough it is to get any help at webmasterworld and also other venues I have tried before, perhaps the boards are just not too active or well visited, or else members may not be so good on technical issues (even though this one would seem to be not that complex)?

It could be that you seem to question the intellegence of the people you are asking for help. That's not a good way to get folks to help you.

Then you also question the moderating abilities of the personnel in the forums you try to get help in, that probably doesn't help your case.

It sounds like your issue is a bit more complex than you are letting on, or maybe the answers you are getting from Google are the correct answers, and you just do not want to accept them.

My suggest would be to not try to buy domains to try to monetize them for adsense income unless you have a clear plan of how that will work.

Maybe you could contact Google beforehand to see how to make that type of traffic plan work.

As for paid help, you could try Google Answers or another one of those ask-a-guru type services.

Macro




msg:1326619
 6:02 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> It could be that you seem to question the intellegence of the people you are asking for help. That's not a good way to get folks to help you.

Agreed.

But when I was a newbie a lot of people here were very patient with me. So, I'll try and give something back.

1. I too believe it was a mistake to buy a domain without the content.

2. In those circumstances I would not try monetising the domain. If there were a few thousand pages it may prove a very time consuming task to re-create those pages with different content. And, by the time you've done that, Google would have dropped the value of incoming links (as it keeps hitting 404s when it tries to access those pages).

3. If you aren't showing 404s it's possible Google is seeing the site as thousands of pages with exactly the same content as your home page! Arrgh!

4. I wouldn't bother about monetising those sites for Adsense but find a way to persuade the traffic hitting those sites to click a link and go to your other sites instead.

By all means, if you are dissatisfied with this forum move on and find some other place for help. That, I feel, would be your loss. However, if you studied this forum and worked out the best ways to get replies it will be in your own long term interest.

esllou




msg:1326620
 6:31 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

those old pages were getting traffic because of what was on them, not for the domain name that was showing in the address bar.

You have paid over the odds for three $15 domain names. What quality there was on the sites, you have jettisoned (the content, the pages).

If you are using a redirect to your index page and G have already told you redirects don't count as impressions, I don't actually see what it is you don't understand. And, as others have said, G will drop the old pages from the index in 2-8 weeks anyway.

PatrickDeese




msg:1326621
 6:42 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

First consider that Webalizer will record hotlinked images as hits - so if the site offered pictures, for instance - it could be a lot of your traffic is coming from image requests through hotlinked images on forums and etc.

I think your first priority is to check your logs and see where the traffic is going.

If there are 400 requests a day to www.example.com/widgets/green.html - your first priority should be to make a green widget content page and stick it on that URL and link to it from the home page - so that it doesn't get filtered from G for being an "orphan" page.

I would use Yahoo's linkdomain command and see *exactly* where sites are link to this domain and make sure that *every* deeplink had a page with real content sitting on it, and make sure that the pages are at least accessible from the site map.

Buying a site and monetizing it is fine. Not buying the content is fine, as long as you put new content on it ASAP.

Doesn't sound like you've done that - so that should definitely be a priority.

eaden




msg:1326622
 7:22 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

check out www.archive.org for the old content

flyerguy




msg:1326623
 11:13 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

One of your first ideas seemed pretty correct. I believe there is a mechanism in place to determine whether a page view is performed by a robot or a human. If these purchased domains had some kind of spammy traffic generating scheme applied (we'll send you 10,000 visitors for $40!), it's quite possible that Adsense is discounting that.

As someone mentioned, dig into your webalizer logs and examine usage patterns in depth. If they are .1 microsecond visits, you'll know what's going on.

Be happy that Adsense is not tracking your pageviews as legitimate, otherwise your Ad value would further go in the toilet!

europeforvisitors




msg:1326624
 11:29 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Apparently adsense does not count automated hits including redirections, as real ad impressions, just like they also do not count those kinds of ad clicks.

Sounds like that's your answer.

Adsense is intended to help publishers monetize their content, not their domain names. To Google, redirects from 100,000 defunct pages to new sites with no real content almost certainly violate the TOS rules against using AdSense ads on parked domains, non-content pages such as welcome pages (your index pages), pages that use "sneaky redirects or cloaking," or sites that exist solely to earn revenue from AdSense. Obviously, the TOS are subject to interpretation, but it's easy to see why Google would default to "disallow" in situations like this one.

incrediBILL




msg:1326625
 4:00 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

One other consideration is that many people use personal firewalls or have their browser security turned up to the max. This will effectively block your Adsense ads, affiliate links, and most anything regarding ads.

My site averages 36,000 pages a day and google tends to show about 14,000 impressions. Deduct the number of pages from search engine crawls, googles mediabot crawl, the number of pages they shot PSA ads on, the number of pages visited by people using ad blocking firewalls and I think it's not too far from being accurate.

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