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1goodpuppy




msg:1356203
 3:27 pm on Aug 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

Excuse my ignorance, I am new. How long before the adsense PSA's turn into real ads? Last night, I had real ads on a site, that were PSA's this morning. I have another site that has real ads running since I inserted the script. Am I doing something wrong?

 

justageek




msg:1356204
 4:48 pm on Aug 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

You're probably not doing anything wrong. It's happened to quite a few people. Just one of those things that no one can really explain.

hyperkik




msg:1356205
 6:35 pm on Aug 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you look at a variety of sites with AdSense ads on them, you will begin to see a pattern of when Google sends public service ads instead of those which generate revenues. A passing mention of something such as "battered woman syndrome", "kidnapping", or crimes or events likely to result in death or injury, seem to trigger the block. I would venture that Google served "real" ads up to the point when it spidered the page(s) in question, and that you can expect to see PSA's until the content on that page is no longer "offensive" by Google's standards.

richmondsteve




msg:1356206
 2:52 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

A passing mention of something such as "battered woman syndrome", "kidnapping", or crimes or events likely to result in death or injury, seem to trigger the block.

I can attest to this. I have AdSense enabled on a site about sex crimes. My pages are fairly static except for box content with snippets of recent articles, messages, etc. and so the same page will have paid ads for a number of days, then PSAs for a number of days, apparently because of too many trigger words or too high of a trigger word density.

I am torn between removing content sections which may cause a page to be blocked or obfuscating trigger words and leaving as is since on the one hand doing so may appease AdSense, but on the other hand it'll likely reduce search engine placement. Besides, I've done some testing and haven't been able to determine the trigger words, trigger word counts/density that causes the blocks. Very frustrating and unfortunate since the pages being blocked are the very pages with content directly related to the products/services advertised and products/services the page readers would likely be interested in.

1goodpuppy




msg:1356207
 3:03 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

My site is about pet supplies. They would have to be sick freaks to even think that just because love and dog come up on the same page, it's a beastiality site. My other 2 sites are a fitness site, and an electronics /music site. Even my sick mind can't come up with something there.

Question, do they actually send a bot around? cause I haven't seen one since I was approved for adsense. And if so, how long do they take?

chiyo




msg:1356208
 3:07 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

1goodpuppy...

are your URL's allowed for spidering by robot.txt?

Is there anything abut the design of the pages on the site that make it hard for a robot to determine the theme?

Do you have enough text content on each page?

Go to google and do a search for "dogs" and other terms related to your pages. Does there seem to be a good number of Adwords? It may be that there are not enough ads for your content, or that not many advertisers are advertising dog products? Also do you epect that others are running sites on similar themes using adsense? You are competing with them for ads.

NeverHome




msg:1356209
 3:14 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yep, google is really touchy with some words. I have the word "kidnap" on a page primarily about a golf course development. The word is used only once, in the context of an historical reference to the naming of the area by Captain James Cook in 1770! Anyway, I have just exchanged "kidnap" with "nab", and so will wait and see that has any effect.

jrstark




msg:1356210
 3:15 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

How many different real ads were you getting? If there aren't many ads to be served, they try to stretch them out during the month. So if you are serving 1,000 ads a day and there are only 10,000 ad views a month in your category, you will get a lot of charity ads mixed in.

Try to find a large site in your subject that is using adsense, and compare the types of ads served.

1goodpuppy




msg:1356211
 3:19 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

As I said before, I'm new. New site. How do I "win" ads in this competition? My other site is just showing ads. It isn't a large site. maybe only 1000 visits / month right now, but I'm getting ads and not psa's. any advise would be greatly appreciated.

1goodpuppy




msg:1356212
 3:23 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

just went to a pet site w/ adsense. All kinds of ads. Much the same content.

1goodpuppy




msg:1356213
 11:04 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok. It only seems to be the index page that is causing the problems. When placed deeper in my sites, the ads are ads and not psa's. (for now.) they have been up overnight. That's longer than before.

richmondsteve




msg:1356214
 11:53 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have just exchanged "kidnap" with "nab", and so will wait and see that has any effect.

NeverHome, that's definitely worth a try. Let us know how it works out. It could be weeks before Mediapartners visits the page again so don't abandon your test early.

I wish I had the luxury of making such a minor change. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out how I could reword something like (parts snipped) "...sex offender registration and community notification is handled by... Registerable offenses...possession of child pornography...sexual battery...sodomy...rape...sexual penetration." I have content pages with lots of what appear to be trigger words and listings of news headlines, message board posts, books and sites that contain the same words. These words don't have appropriate non-trigger synonyms, obfuscating them like s*x may appease AdSense, but would almost definitely impact search engine placement and would look strange to the reader. So even though my site doesn't violate AdSense TOS and I understand the spirit of their "negative content" automated blocking mechanism, it surely wasn't meant to block pages that help crime victims, yet I can't say I've really had success Getting Google to do anything about it. I'm optimistic that they'll improve their blocking mechanism, but that's not based on anything solid.

justageek




msg:1356215
 12:37 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

richmondsteve - You might be better off with the Overture solution then since they have human editors. Well maybe. Depends on if you have a big enough site or not.

richmondsteve




msg:1356216
 2:10 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

justageek, I read that Overture has licensed Quigo's AdSonar technology so when that becomes available I'll definitely look into it. According to a post at JimWorld by someone claiming to be a Quigo employee, the human review technology is more limited than I had initially guessed. In fact, if the post below is to be believed they're simply using human editors to determine whether sections of site pages should be ignored.

Read the post by uriah at [jimworld.com ].

In any case, the site which is having a significant # of pages blocked by AdSense is well into 6 figure page views per month, but based on what Overture executives have been quoted as saying that probably isn't high enough traffic for them to be interested in (I suspect they'll change their tune soon enough).

justageek




msg:1356217
 2:11 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the info. Interesting stuff.

Eric

brycen




msg:1356218
 4:09 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

See the adsense feature thread... one possible solution is allowing page authors to specify negative keywords.

richmondsteve




msg:1356219
 4:26 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have pages which contain word which appear to be considered "negative content" (at least if frequent enough, or the density is high enough, or their "randomizer" doesn't like the page b/c of the weather...), but Adwords advertisers are bidding on phrases containing these words. These ads are relevant to my users. It seems like Google is shooting themselves in the foot.

Anyway, if I come across as angry I'm not, only moderately frustrated. I'm only sharing because I thought others should know and there are definitely others in the same boat, many of whom probably don't know why their pages are showing unpaid PSA ads.

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