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Adsense Account was disabled, how about the check?
Yangtze

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Msg#: 4425 posted 4:32 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)


My account was shut down by Google.

I received the check from Google on Nov.14 and went to the bank on Nov.15 to ask them collect the money for me.Usually the money will be credited into my saving account 30 days later, in this case it will be around Dec.15. So by now the banks are still in the process of collecting money.

As Google shut my account down today on Dec.03, just forget about the remaining fund in Google which have not yet sent to me, I am wondering if I am able to get the moeny for the check I have received on Nov.14?

Are there anybody had such experience?
Thanks

[edited by: Yangtze at 4:43 am (utc) on Dec. 3, 2004]

 

Jenstar

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Msg#: 4425 posted 4:42 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

You don't have to worry they will put a stop payment on it, once they send the check, it is yours to keep (AdSenseAdvisor confirmed it in a thread here).

Yangtze

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Msg#: 4425 posted 4:46 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

that's cool.
Jenstar, thanks for the information.
But is anyone here experienced my situation before?

diamondgrl

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Msg#: 4425 posted 4:49 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

What did you do to get dumped, if I may ask?

Yangtze

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Msg#: 4425 posted 4:54 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

"It has come to our attention that invalid clicks have been generated on
the ads on your web pages"

I certainly did not do that.
I figure that it my because I opened the account by the laptop in my office, and my staff whose PC use the same Internet network clicked on the ads accidentally.

Yangtze

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Msg#: 4425 posted 7:52 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

You don't have to worry they will put a stop payment on it, once they send the check, it is yours to keep (AdSenseAdvisor confirmed it in a thread here).

Are you sure?

alika

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Msg#: 4425 posted 7:55 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think anyone here can convince you. Why not go straight to Google and ask them?

Rodney

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Msg#: 4425 posted 9:53 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Are you sure?

A google employee confirmed it, so it sounds pretty true.

TonysDesigns

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:07 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Once again, "Invalid clicks" comes up. This has to be the hottest topic right? Why Why WHY can't G just invalidate the INVALID clicks? I am just thinking outloud.

Last month, my oldest son(16) was on his wireless laptop and I showed him a new forum I had put up. Hi looked at it and he was typing on AIM and clicked OUT from the AIM box and RIGHT ONTO my AD on there. I SAW IT! I just about pooped a purple twinkie WITH CREAM FILLING and was all mad at him telling him that I might be discontinued from G cuz of this. I was way woarried, but it's now been around one month ago. I was thinking if I should have told G about it. (shrugs) I am still worried about it

I guess the point is that we are all paranoid that ONE click might invalidate us. I see it all over this board

diamondgrl

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:24 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

TonysDesigns,

I would see a doctor about that purple twinkie. It might be the sign of something pretty serious.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 4425 posted 10:25 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Once again, "Invalid clicks" comes up. This has to be the hottest topic right? Why Why WHY can't G just invalidate the INVALID clicks? I am just thinking outloud.

For the same reason they don't just ignore attempts to subvert their search index: Without a deterrent, shady Webmasters have no incentive to behave themselves.

lajkonik86

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:33 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well google doesn't seem to be that sensitive on clicks.
I never did anything illigal. But i myself did onetime excidentely click my own ad.
Didn't think about it but there was an ad promoting <snip> and it seemed real good business sim.

Few days I got my first cheque ever:) (190$)

[edited by: Jenstar at 11:07 pm (utc) on Dec. 3, 2004]
[edit reason] No URLS as per TOS, please! [/edit]

dazzlindonna

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:37 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Without a deterrent, shady Webmasters have no incentive to behave themselves.

I would think not getting paid for the invalidated clicks would be a pretty decent deterrent. I understand the need for cancelling shady webmasters accounts, but there really is no good reason that I can see, why we can't at least be protected from ourselves from accidents like he described. I am extremely careful about never accidentally clicking on an ad, but it is a bit silly to have to be placed in the position of being outrageously paranoid about it. I've broken out into a sweat when I've come anywhere near an ad with my mouse.

TonysDesigns

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:55 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Donna! Great post! You and I are speakin' the same tongue

outland88

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Msg#: 4425 posted 11:10 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

You may not get the check but I still get the bill, even if they catch them. Since the clicks are spread out over a variety of ads rebating 5-10 dollars a day to individual advertiserers for fraud isn't going to happen unless the advertiser proves it. Plus Google wouldn't want the adwords advertiser to percieve they're dealing with that much fraud.

JohnKelly

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Msg#: 4425 posted 12:58 am on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just use PHP or your favorite scripting language to display the AdSense ads and *block* your ISP from displaying the ads within the scripting code. Granted, if you use AOL this might be a problem, but small local ISP's can be blocked with minimal reduction in traffic.

Or if you have a static IP address, just block it.

Yangtze

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Msg#: 4425 posted 3:42 am on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wrote an email to Google, confirmed that "Any previously processed payments are unaffected."

jez_kewler

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Msg#: 4425 posted 8:35 am on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi folks,

from my 1,5 yrs Adsense experience, you dont get dumped for a few clicks from many thousands...

there must be a dozen or hundreds per month at least from my POV

jez

Macro

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:32 am on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Its not difficult to avoid clicking on your own ads. You know the layout of your site, you know where the ads are. Per 100 hours you spend on your own site you are unlikely to have more than one accident and Google does not penalise you for that. But breaking out in a cold sweat and being paranoid is good. Some webmasters would have a lot more "accidents" otherwise :) and we all lose if the program loses its reputation and advertisers withdraw.

Palehorse

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:49 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you use windows try adding adsense ads to the "HOSTS" file (google it for more details). It then becomes totally impossible to click your own ads.

If you have kids and they like your website they might be inticed to click them, with hosts it becomes a none issue.

Kinitz

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Msg#: 4425 posted 4:37 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess the point is that we are all paranoid that ONE click might invalidate us.

Yes, it can.

internetheaven

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Msg#: 4425 posted 8:06 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why Why WHY can't G just invalidate the INVALID clicks?

They do. Clicks that are flagged as fraudulent are not deducted from the advertiser's account and revenue is not given to the Adsense Account Holder - (again, that's from the horses mouth ... not alluding to the physical features of your staff G.)

There are many fraud detection systems on Adsense but you can take it from me TonysDesigns, even if your click was spotted as fraudulent and the revenue was therefore deducted from your account - if Google have not contacted you before you get your cheque for that month, you can stop worrying.

Plus Google wouldn't want the adwords advertiser to percieve they're dealing with that much fraud.

They've conquered this problem by not informing the Adwords Advertiser in 99% of cases. The majority of fraudulent clicks are automatically detected, therefore the system doesn't charge the account in the first place.

javex

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Msg#: 4425 posted 2:56 am on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

hello everyone, I'm new on the forum.

I can tell my experience: after discovery of google, I showed it to a customer (I'm consulent) and he placed adsense in each page of his 1000 pages portal.

well: he has an average CPM of 3,56 USD, with ctr always over 1,5%. I suppose (and I saw it) he clicks his own adsense. This is for at least 6 months, and always received payments. Also sometime he gets 6,7.. even 20 USD CPM!

When you say someone gets banned, what are you talking about: 100$/month, 1000$/month or over?

My customer earned about 1200$ in 6 months.

walkman



 
Msg#: 4425 posted 2:52 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

"My customer earned about 1200$ in 6 months."

My customer stole about 1200$ in 6 months.

DennyTang

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Msg#: 4425 posted 6:21 am on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Click fraud is a big and growing concern. Eventhough you may think Google has some really high tech way of preventing this, they really don't. So they usually ban accounts as a way to lower click frauds. Banning prevents anyone from attempting to click fraud again.

To be safe, do not log in to google in a shared-internet enviroment. And to be even safer, never attempt to click fraud. It's not worth the risk. What if you made a website in the future that was very popular? Half of my profits comes from google, they're definitly a company you don't want to be banned from.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 4425 posted 6:46 am on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Click fraud is a big and growing concern. Eventhough you may think Google has some really high tech way of preventing this, they really don't. So they usually ban accounts as a way to lower click frauds. Banning prevents anyone from attempting to click fraud again.

Actually, it doesn't: It merely prevents click fraud by publishers. It does nothing to prevent click fraud by other people.

Example: My account has received several thousand questionable clicks (i.e., clicks above the normal level) in the past day and a half or so. Since I didn't do the clicking, I can only assume that the clicks are the result of mischief or--more likely--the work of an advertiser who's trying to suck money out of other advertisers' accounts either to hamper his competitors or to obtain a better ad position for certain keywords.

Fortunately for Google, most people who cheat with AdSense probably aren't that bright. The average mope who clicks on his own ads or turns a clickbot loose on his competitors' ads is likely to be foiled by the sample fact that heavy clicking (i.e., enough clicks to earn worthwhile income or drain a competitor's account) is going to be noticeably above the norm.

endomorph1

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Msg#: 4425 posted 11:01 am on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Guys,

It's quite simple. If you think that your kids/you may have clicked on an advert by mistake, email Adsense support and warn them. This happened to me a couple of months ago; I found my dear daughter playing on our computer, clicking all over the screen on one of my sites. I mailed Adsense and they were fine.

Simple!

javex

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Msg#: 4425 posted 2:11 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

did they counted down clicks of your daughter? Did google answered to your email?

I really think that google will not ban you for a couple of clicks from the same IP from where you manage the account.

Do you think that google doesn't know of AOL, FASTWEB or other big providers which give the same IP at 1 milion of people at the same time? Think of Vodafone: all Italian People with 1 only IP address. And they are all business men. Will google ban them?

alika

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Msg#: 4425 posted 3:33 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

From Google Adwords support - when multiple clicks from a single source are VALID

https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6424&ctx=search&query=multiple+clicks&topic=0&type=f

[edited by: engine at 11:33 am (utc) on Jan. 14, 2005]
[edit reason] formatting [/edit]

rfung

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Msg#: 4425 posted 10:29 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess the point is that we are all paranoid that ONE click might invalidate us.

Yes, it can.

Yes it can, but most often it won't. I have read elsewhere (and even known) of a couple folks who do shady google business for a few hundred bucks a month and seem to have gotten away just fine for the last 6 months. And that's just those who are boastful enough to write about it. Most who may be doing such deeds hide in the shadows. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to circunvent whatever protection may be in place.

As someone else pointed out on this thread, you'd like to think G has these really fancy tracking systems to catch click fraud, but it's just like the increased search of old ladies at the airport after 9/11... and anyone who thinks that does anything is deluded.

So to everyone who's worried sick about getting banned over one lousy click... well, I just picture everyone's emails about 'please dont ban me, my kid clicked my own ad' going to the 'trash can' over at Google's. Even from a business practice, it's counter productive for Google to follow up on all the thousands of such emails they receive a day.

Having said that, you won't find me clicking ever on my own ads :)...

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