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methodman

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:06 pm on Nov 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am having a really hard time increaing the average daily earning, its very low $X and I cant seem to pass it...really broad question but I cant make it detailed due to Adsense's TOS policy...
any ideas on increasing the revenue

 

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:19 pm on Nov 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Daily earnings = Impressions X CTR X EPC

Therefore working on any of the three factors will result in higher earnings

webmastertexas

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:26 pm on Nov 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

There are tons of threads on this already. Really, you could scan down the Adsense forum and find 50 separate threads on this same subject.

methodman

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Msg#: 4140 posted 9:43 pm on Nov 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok well since i started the site I get around 1000 more impressions daily and my site is visible yet, i still get the same amoutn of clicks, and thus im stuck at the same avg rate of low $X

david_uk

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Msg#: 4140 posted 6:42 am on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, there are plenty of threads on this in the archive. I'd personally reccomend experimenting with banner placement and style. Going from a 120 skyscarper on the right to a centre square box tripled my CTR, and it's been constant over about three months since I changed the banner. Also, good page content leads to better targetted ads.

I don't think you should expect get an overnight success - it takes time to experiment and jiggle with things to optimise your pages to get the best out of adsense.

Mauricio



 
Msg#: 4140 posted 7:29 am on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Most uf us here made between 0.5 a 5$ each 1,000 impressions. You just must go on the circle: adding content you will have more vistors; with more vistors you will have more impressions and more clicks; with greater income you'll feel that you need more content and so on.
Some months ahead you will have a site with tons of content, visitors and a nice check.

bishop175

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Msg#: 4140 posted 11:45 am on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have to agree completely with 'david_uk'. I saw earnings triple within the month doing the very same thing of changing up the banner sizes an dpositions.

I'm not up to speed on the smart pricing issue however I do know that having more banners/towers on a page (max of 3) does not necessarily mean more money. Yes, you will have more options and maybe more CTs but those CTs will be of lower dollar value.

If I have 3 AS towers, each displaying 5 ads (if I have good keyword performance for that page) I see the same 5 AS ads in the first box. The other two towers will show AS ads of lesser click value (i.e. they are lower down the keyword bidding scale).

Eliminating the two lower towers still sees the first tower performing with the same AS ads. Impressions will go down, CTs may remain the same, but the CTR goes up and so does my revenue.

That's the way I see it. Others are welcome to debunk my point of view/theory.

HarryM

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Msg#: 4140 posted 12:02 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Eliminating the two lower towers still sees the first tower performing with the same AS ads. Impressions will go down, CTs may remain the same, but the CTR goes up and so does my revenue

I don't understand that. I have assumed impressions refers to page views and should be unrelated to number of ads displayed. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

One point that interests me - if multiple boxes (or towers, etc) are displayed, does Google put the highest-paying ads on a particular box depending on format? Or it does order the ads according to the order of the boxes as they occur in the html? I.e., does Google put the highest-paying ads on the first box that loads?

[added] Please ignore that last point. I have found the answer on the Adsense FAQ [/added]

ken_b

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Msg#: 4140 posted 3:48 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have assumed impressions refers to page views and should be unrelated to number of ads displayed. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

On Asdsense, an impression means each time any adblock is shown. If there is one Adsense block on a page, that is one impression. If there are three Adsense blocks on the page, it counts as three impressions, and that is what shows up in your Adsense stats.

MrAnchovy

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Msg#: 4140 posted 4:03 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Going from a 120 skyscarper on the right to a center square box tripled my CTR

I saw earnings triple within the month doing the very same thing of changing up the banner sizes and positions.

Add another to the list that did the same.
Add another to the list that had the same results.

trader

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Msg#: 4140 posted 4:09 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

"...one Adsense block on a page, that is one impression."

Have always wondered if that is really correct? i.e. is it possible a small ad such as 1/2 banner with 1 ad counts as only 1 impression, but a large tower with 5 ads count as 5 impressions?

bishop175

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Msg#: 4140 posted 4:19 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm certain that each time G's script is called upon, that's considered 1 imp. So if your page has three of G's scripts, then a visitor calling upon your page once will register 3 imps.

HarryM

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:04 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I only run one ad block so I have to assume that people running more know best. The "impressions" entry in Google's FAQ states an impression corresponds to a page view, but this entry could have been written before multiple ads were allowed.

I have been considering adding another block, but this has made me pause. If there is little increase in clicks, with a higher number of impressions and therefore a lower CTR, does this have any effect on my earnings?

ken_b

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:11 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The "impressions" entry in Google's FAQ states an impression corresponds to a page view, but this entry could have been written before multiple ads were allowed.

They need to update that, the terminology they have is left over from when we could only run one block of ads per page.

It should say ad, or ad block, impressions now, that would clear up some of these confusion on this issue.

Essex_boy

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:19 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Keep trying I changed teh colour of my ads and hey presto clicks went up.

WisTex

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:23 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had the opposite effect when adding additional ads. My revenue actually doubled.

Also, here is an interesting thing to keep in mind. Remember Google AdSense displays ads in the order they appear on your webpage, but keep in mind what they really mean is the order they appear in the html. If your website is divided in columns, it is possible to have the first ad (with highest payout per click) be at the bottom of your page!

In my case, this actually worked out better! I placed a large rectangle underneath the article in an area called "Sponsored Links" and then had a banner ad Google Ad below that, and then a short column wide Google Ad in the left column. The Sponsored Links section get more clicks (perhaps because it is bigger and more noticable) than the one in the column, even though the one in the column actually appears higher on the page.

So, you may need to look at your page and see if the ad positions are working for you and perhaps try out some different layouts.

bishop175

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Msg#: 4140 posted 7:58 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

....in an area called "Sponsored Links" and then had a banner ad Google Ad below that, and then a short column wide Google Ad in the left column. The Sponsored Links section get more clicks (perhaps because it is bigger and more noticable) than the ...

Be careful with that setup. Enticing viewers of your page to visit G's links is a no-no in G's eyes. I'm not sure though where G draws the line on a webmasters skills in getting a visitor to click through. Using something like what you are doing I think is harmless but that's my opinion.

WisTex

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Msg#: 4140 posted 10:35 am on Nov 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think you misuderstood me. I am NOT enticing or asking people to click on the ads. If you are referring to the "Sponsored Links" wording, that is perfectly legal according to Google. In fact, according to Google there are only TWO (2) legal wordings you can use and they are "sponsored links" and "advertisements." You are not allowed to label Google ads with any other text.

A quote from Google's FAQ section:
https://www.google.com/adsense/faq#basics8

"We therefore require that Web pages do not include incentives of any kind for users to click on ads. This includes encouraging users to click on the ads or to visit the advertisers' sites as well as labeling the ads with text other than "sponsored links" or "advertisements."

Other that the words "Sponsored Links" there is no inticement given to click on Google Ads on our website.

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