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Terrified of G?
webmastertexas




msg:1389470
 7:18 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google has done some really strange things to their publishers -- or at least, to the publishers that seem to populate this board. They've put the fear of God in them. I've never encounter a group of people more terrified of their advertiser than Adsense publishers. It's incredible. If you read this forum, every other thread is about how a publisher is terrified he's going to get axed for one thing or another.

And I mean, TERRIFIED. As in, shaking in your boots. As in, shivering with the cold sweats.

Then again, I'm sure I don't earn nearly as much as some of you people with Adsense, so I don't have my entire livelihood hanging on their every whim. But geez, I'm not sure if it's healthy, you know?

 

Freedom




msg:1389471
 7:21 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, I have been terrified of getting kicked out of AdSense. And I have taken such drastic steps as to not tell anyone in my family nor any of my friends the urls of my websites.

However, I just got approved for an account with an AdSense competitor - so I feel a little bit better.

I am also trying to strengthen the diversity I already have for other income sources.

But yes, you are right, we all live in fear that we will be unjustly kicked out of the program.

zipit




msg:1389472
 7:22 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's getting more and more insane.

ddogg




msg:1389473
 7:47 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hahaha I don't tell anyone the url's of my sites either. How pathetic is that.

hunderdown




msg:1389474
 8:14 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Personally, I'm not terrified. My site is clean, and it's not in an area where nefarious competitors are going to sabotage me.

I think.

jimmyboy




msg:1389475
 8:34 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Most of the people who are terrified of 'Big G' are either those whose sole source of income is Adsense or those who are trying some 'wicked tricks' to get extra income from Adsense.
If you are 'clean' then just find some good affiliate programs for your site. After that if 'Big G' kicks you for no mistake of yours, you can tell them where to shove the adsense ;)
May be I will be kicked by 'Big G' for posting this message :) oooooooooo I am soooooooo afraid.......

digitalv




msg:1389476
 8:37 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

As an AdWords advertiser and an AdSense user I think its a pretty good thing that they're keeping the third party publishers on their toes. Afterall, it's not Google who gets hurt by invalid clicks, it's us advertisers.

As for being worried, I'm not ... maybe I'm wrong, but I think most of the people who freak out about it were probably doing something they weren't supposed to do.

tamen




msg:1389477
 9:05 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Im definitely not doing anything wrong. Not after reading all those stories in this forum. (Not before, either :) )

So it might be a good thing for google to have the image of an easily offended god.

Might the stories themselves even be posted by google? Ahh… Conspiracies ;)

webmastertexas




msg:1389478
 9:49 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Haha. Good to hear most people are taking this Adsense thing in stride. Although it would be nice if I could earn so much money with Adsense that I, too, could be terrified of getting ax. :)

rapidcars




msg:1389479
 10:44 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm also not that afraid. I could be because I don't make a living off it as some people do I just figure if for some reason I got kicked off there'd be another program just like it about to come up. It's already happening. Adsense used to be the only program of its kind and now theres more and more competitors on the horizon. More competitiors means googles not going to be able to just kick people off because they're just gonna go straight to the other ones. Also, e-commerce has been a roller coaster ride so far in its short lifespan. I remember a few years ago I was down because I lost one of my very effective sponsors and I was worried the good days of revenue were over. Then I found adsense and they're back again. As long as you have a good site with good content that people will always want to see, you will be fine in the long run

Freedom




msg:1389480
 10:49 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Most of the people who are terrified of 'Big G' are either those whose sole source of income is Adsense or those who are trying some 'wicked tricks' to get extra income from Adsense.

Pure Bulls**t.

I am not trying any wicked tricks and it is not my sole source of income.

It's just that my adsense income in 1 week is more then most people make in a month. It's a big amount. I've worked hard for: building clean sites, playing by the rules, playing it safe.

The fear most people have is that there have been too many posts on this forum by people who have gotten kicked out and couldn't understand why. Some of them were probably guilty, but the majority of them in my opinion and the popular opinion here - is that many of them were in fact innocent. There have just been too many of these post to believe that some of them are not wrong in their innocence.

Atomic




msg:1389481
 10:49 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

When it comes to Google I would be more afraid of being booted from their index than from AdSense.

tebrino




msg:1389482
 11:01 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

When it comes to Google I would be more afraid of being booted from their index than from AdSense.

That is true. I receive more than 50% of all traffic from Google. This way I would lose money from all other affiliate programs

KathieFry




msg:1389483
 11:03 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

<< I've never encounter a group of people more terrified of their advertiser than Adsense publishers >>

I'm not afraid of getting booted out of AdSense. Why would Google want to kick me out? The way I see it, because my site is popular Google really *wants* the space on my Web site for their ads. They are not just doing me a favor by allowing me to run their ads. It's a win win situation for me and Google so I expect I would have to do something really awful and blatent for them to even consider booting me out of the program.

That's why I'm not afraid.

Should I be?

- Kathie Fry

effekt




msg:1389484
 9:53 am on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Growing used to the amount of money monthly is very easy, I think people are just scared of geting unaccustomed. If you play by the rules then you have no reason to be worried. Even if you do get kicked there's always other advertisment networks right?
As digitalv said it hurts the advertisers not Google, don't forget Google loose the money as well. It's much different once its you forking over the money for advertising - you want to be very cautious. Google just wants to keep a reputation of being a very clean and successful system.

shorebreak




msg:1389485
 3:57 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Reading this thread it's funny to me how people are tip-toeing around the huge yellow elephant in the middle of the room. Very few people acknowledge he's there, even fewer people acknoweldge their relationship with him, yet his thriving existence is precisely what has no small number of you scared of losing some of your income. You don't control his appearnace on your site(s), but he comes nevertheless and many of you can't help but wonder when he'll start stepping on everyone's toes.

Livenomadic




msg:1389486
 4:26 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wait for it..... wait for it.....

Nope, you lost me.

Essex_boy




msg:1389487
 4:32 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Elephants?!? What?

your point is?

Jenstar




msg:1389488
 5:51 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anytime someone has a "money maker" - whether it be AdSense, a hot affiliate program, or something that relies on a third party service such as a payment provider - people get worried that something might happen to lose that income stream. It is natural.

However, as long as you are acting well within the terms and policies (and it doesn't hurt to have another read-through of both of them for a refresher, just in case you are doing something that Google frowns upon) you shouldn't be paranoid or terrified about the possibility of being suspended.

blairsp




msg:1389489
 6:38 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

you shouldn't be paranoid or terrified about the possibility of being suspended.

I'm sorry, but that is a short sighted opinion (IMHO)

I came back from holiday in the middle of nowhere to get the dreaded mail and unlike some on this board I WASN'T connecting to a wirelss network (to be honest I wouldn't know how to)to check my stats every minute of every day.

Now, google at NO point ever explained to me why I was kicked out other than the usual invalid clicks e-mail, (followed by the usual canned/boilerplate response) .

I wonder how many people on this board state "oh I don't have anything to worry about, I send G good traffic I get a good income etc." and then will bleat when they get the e-mail. I will admit, I am a member of another board and I had a right good laugh when one of the biggest "your all guilty-just accept it" advocates got the e-mail. Talk about bleating like crazy. Now I am not suggesting that you personally are like that but people do get kicked out by mistake or are you suggesting that G NEVER gets anything wrong?

Perhaps I am unfortunate in that I don't have the personal contacts that some on this board appear to have. What really irked me about the whole affair was that I was making relatively little money compared to my "real job" (not internet related in any way).This job is in a responsible position and their high handed attitude in accusing ME of dishonesty (now lets not play semantics/pedantics or legalese here)I felt portrayed me in a particularly bad way. G should get their whole house in order (looking at the other threads on this board there are other major problems- scraper sites, sites made solely for adsense etc)

G will make mistakes, they will probably err way too much on the side of caution but that means some innocents (and I use that word in its truest sense) will be kicked out and thats why some people SHOULD be worried.

walrus




msg:1389490
 7:22 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

That is a scary story Blair,hope they reconsider you.

Jenstar said not just within the terms but
"well within the terms". I think thats really wise.But no matter how proper you design sabatoge is apparently a lurking beast we all are vunerable too and that is an issue id like to see addressed cause i bet some innocents have got the boot.
The new terms adhere to Google webmaster guidlines which is great but i bet lots of us junior designers are scrambling as we are more likely to have over optimized or improperly designed.
I used a redirect on a page i renamed and removed so i sent them a snippet from my htaccess for them to review just to be safe. I have apprently over 180 links on one page.I forgot that was against the webmaster guidlines or read it and never remembered, the page was made origianlly to give people a nice one stop directory for the topic.
And meta tag and keyword use, if more than 3 times a page could it be in violation? Some pages you have to repeat the word or your page wont make sense.
In short i can guarantee im ignorant but they will assume what they decide to.

Jenstars words are reassuring but Blair certainly has a point about the innocents.

... and this concludes the longest post ive ever made

jimmyboy




msg:1389491
 7:27 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Probability of an innocent getting kicked by Google are far less than that of getting killed in a road accident ;) If you are not worried about an accident while driving a car, then you should not also worry about getting kicked out of adsense.
Those trying wicked tricks with 'Adsense' probability of getting kicked are same as that of getting your leg blown when walking in a minefield.
For those who are paranoid about getting kicked out of adsense, here is a new term - 'Goooooglephobia or Gphobia' in short. See a cybertherapist (shrink) specializing in Gphobia if you getting nightmares about 'Big G' kicking you. :).
My advise - Don't worry , be happy.
P.S. There are perhaps over 300,000 adsense publishers. and probably not more than 300 innocents got kicked out in 2 years. That is less than 0.1% . (This statistics is from searching webmaster forum threads and then adding +250 to it)
If you are a guy with normal luck you won't get into that 0.1% statistics ;) .

walrus




msg:1389492
 7:41 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hope you are right JimmyBoy!

ken_b




msg:1389493
 7:43 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Terrified of G"

Maybe some are, but I doubt if it's that many.

I don't believe you can measure such sentiment based on the posts made to a forum like this. The vast majority of adsense publishers don't post here.

Besides that, I suspect that a lot of adsense publishers are folks like me, those who were not making any significant money from their websites before adsense came along.

OK, I like the money, but I wasn't operating the site for the money before, and I'm not now.

Would I miss it if it disappeared, sure. It's a nice pot of cash, but I don't count on it to make the mortgage payment.

And to me, that's the key. Counting on adsense income would be a pretty unwise business decision for a single site publisher, at least if you read the TOS.

The greatest benefit I've gotten from Adsense is not the monthly check.

It's understanding that there really possiblities for making a decent income from a site like mine. Not only that, but it's a pretty good guide to at least the type of businesses that consider advertizing on sites in your category to be worthwhile.

If you are doing this for a living, and don't have multiple streams of income from your site(s) that allow you to deal comfortably with the loss of one of those income streams without it being a crisis, it's not the fault of the income source.

blairsp




msg:1389494
 9:34 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hope you are right JimmyBoy

So do I. But if he/she is one of the "innocents" who do get kicked out in the future then I look forward to reading the post where he/she tells us that sometimes G makes mistakes.

webmastertexas




msg:1389495
 12:39 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think what's getting ignored here is that G, unlike a lot of other advertisers, DO have a propensity to kick out affiliates at a whim.

alika




msg:1389496
 2:57 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

DO have a propensity to kick out affiliates at a whim.

Kicking publishers out of a whim is a loss-loss situation for G: they are losing a money earner for them for no reason.

Take a look at this thread: only proves that G will often have a strong basis for suspending/kicking out a publisher
[webmasterworld.com...]

As has been said several times here, review and re-review the TOS. Make sure you are in compliance. Then you have nothing to fear about. But try to do something in the gray area -- whether intentional or unintentional -- then you will always feel hanging by a thread.

webmastertexas




msg:1389497
 3:14 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

As has been said several times here, review and re-review the TOS. Make sure you are in compliance. Then you have nothing to fear about. But try to do something in the gray area -- whether intentional or unintentional -- then you will always feel hanging by a thread.

I really could care less if G kicks me out. I'll just go with someone else. I don't make nearly as much with them to be "worrying" or spending all my time reading every line of their TOS.

alika




msg:1389498
 3:18 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

That is of course your choice. But there are publishers here who either make significantly more than you do or who have a lot at stake in Adsense (making up significant part of their revenues) that their best bet is to make sure that their sites are in compliance.

Attitude such as yours -- "don't care to read the TOS" -- is the surest way to get kicked out of the program. Then whine and complain that G kicks out publishers on a whim.

It's all about taking responsibility.

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