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This feature will be suspended until publishers have more options
GoogleGuy




msg:1429783
 8:13 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey everyone, I just wanted to give you an update on the new features in AdSense. Last night we released a number of new features for Google AdSense publishers. We introduced color palettes to give the ability to customize the appearance of ads, daily averages on reports, more detailed feedback forms on 'Ads by Google', and related searches. Feedback on most of these features has been extremely positive.

A number of AdSense publishers did express concern about the related searches feature. As a result of this feedback, we decided to temporarily disable this feature. We will soon re-release this feature with greater flexibility for the publishers. I don't know if this will be opt-in or opt-out, but I believe publishers will be able to turn off the feature if they don't want to use it. I'm confident that this approach will effectively meet the needs of publishers that want to try this new feature and publishers who would rather not use it. I talked to an AdSense engineer a few minutes ago, and this change is scheduled to happen very soon (probably later today).

As always, we appreciate feedback, whether it shows up here or via direct emails to us. I'll be stopping by this thread off and on today to try to answer any questions that people have, and I'll post an update if I find out any more useful info.

 

TravelMan




msg:1429843
 9:34 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

you mean proposition to solve the problem of fraudulant clicks by a technical solution, don't you?

Yes, very much so. It's not nice to be more or less accused of being some kind of scum sucking thief, especially when you know that you've done nothing wrong.

A technological solution exists and should be employed.

pmac




msg:1429844
 9:43 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey,

I'm not a "content" type publisher at all but have been following this mess with great interest.

Seems to me that Google really didn't think this through and is being reactive instead of proactive to the needs of webmasters. I think we can all learn a lesson from the way this has panned out.

<--------Shakes head.

Visi




msg:1429845
 9:43 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

First a word of thanks to GG for taking the feedback forward inside google. The related search feature widely discussed here apparently needs a little adjustment, and good to see google relooking at this.

May I suggest that the calculator guys (engineers:)) give us an option for how many serarch links. Don't mind the searches. Understand they can help with banner blindness, but having one ad served with 10 related searches is extreme.

Also have to admit as a content site, the idea of google paying for use of related search traffic would be appealing.

Joined adsense as a first time advertiser...because it was google...a well respected company....nice to see my plunge was with a responsive partner.

PolishGuy




msg:1429846
 10:00 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy promised:


I really can't even imagine there would be any penalties if people don't want to use it--publishers should be able to choose whether or not it's right for their site without worrying about outside reasons.

This is more or less what I wanted to hear. Thank you man, GoogleGuy.

On the other hand there is only one outstanding issue that needs to be addressed by Google: publishers should never ever be accused of fraudulant clicks - this issue should be resolved with a technical solution that does not charge AdWords advertisers and does not award the publishers - if the clicks come from the same IP address. Or some similar solution.

Believe me - I own about 7 independent web sites, 2-3 of which are regularly being updated and I am creating content and I love to do it. I would like to concentrate on making content appealing to my readers and not on worrying that Google all of a sudden may dump me, because some owner of a lame web site that has no content has caused "fraudulant" clicks on AdSense banners on my site. It is not about "fair or not fair" but about ability of Google to provide technical solution that will guarantee to us, publishers a peace of mind.

Some of my pals from all over the world have superb content sites and had problems to pay for server/bandwidth so I advised them to use AdSense. Google, please don't spoil your new innovative offer - AdSense - by unjustified accusations - it p~sses people off big time.

Good luck to Google!

(according to my sources in 2005 Microsoft will commence hostile takeover attempt of Google and its inclusion into MSN as google.msn.com ; hopefully by that time Google will build such reputation that will allow for rejection)

TravelMan




msg:1429847
 10:30 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

GG, I like you dude, honest, upfront, responsive.

(and they are just your mediocre attributes ;) )

But seriously, if you could have an influence on this click fraud issue, I for one, would be much obliged.

I realise that some people quite probably do extract the urine, but really, there has to be a better way than sending law abiding webmasters, emails that infer that they've been engaging in fraud. It is simply bad form to do so.

BTW - good move on the related searches issue. Good to know that google listens - on some of the issues ;)

RobbieD




msg:1429848
 10:34 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Please solve this click fraud issue. We all need peace of mind. Now more than ever that we are all customizing the AdSense to our colors.

Just have multiple IPs in a given time not counted and we all win!

Thanks for everything Google.

NeedScripts




msg:1429849
 10:55 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello GoogleGuy..

Thanks for clarification that publishers don't have to worry about less payouts or anything.

Keep up the great work...

NS

NeedScripts




msg:1429850
 10:59 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello GoogleGuy,

Don't you think that adding one more question within the FAQ will help both publishers and AdSense a lot.

Q : What kind of payout can a publisher expect?
A : Google AdSense offers payment on performance bases and the earning from AdClicks are splitted as 50% for Google and 50% for Publishers.

I am almost sure that the number of publishers who have joined AdSense will increase a lot, once they see certain numbers for the payout..

Again thanks for the great Ad Network and Search Engine.

Vishal Thakkar

liman




msg:1429851
 11:48 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks Google Guy... great move.

jimh009




msg:1429852
 3:22 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Needscripts said

"A : Google AdSense offers payment on performance bases and the earning from AdClicks are splitted as 50% for Google and 50% for Publishers."

Has this actually been said or determined someplace? I'm still at a loss how much the revenue split is between me and Google.

Jim

ideavirus




msg:1429853
 3:30 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting developments within such a very short span of time.

Really great of Google to listen to their publishers, small or large. Your quick response time, with equally quick action is much appreciated. I only wish Google keeps up this great work. "We'll stick to YOU"

Other than the new additions, you have now for publishers ;
Some more suggestions :

1. Allow us to change the width of the ads also.Basically, you could let us have a custom sized ads along with the fixed two options you currently have.
2. Why don't you allow us to have more than 4 ads. Particularly for my industry, i feel there are quite a large number of advertiser base to accomdate.
3. Allow us to run adsense on SERPs.
Added :
4. Let publishers get better stats reports.
eg : Since we have one account and use the same account to publish adsense on any number of sites, you can :
a. Let us view stats for different sites differently.
b. Include more details in the reported stats, if you are willing to part with that kind of whatever data you can.

Hope i am not asking for too much?!

Thank you very much.
Peace & Cheers

[edited by: ideavirus at 3:39 am (utc) on Aug. 8, 2003]

Jesse_Smith




msg:1429854
 3:34 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

If there are 'Related Search' links, only sites in the AdSence network should show up, so we atleast get more visitors from this.

[edited by: Jesse_Smith at 3:36 am (utc) on Aug. 8, 2003]

RobbieD




msg:1429855
 3:35 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

3. Allow us to run adsense on SERPs.

I would love this as well.

It would be easy for those that run their own search engines. Just have a tag in the AdSense Code where we could replace with <%Key Words%> and every ad would be targeted 100%.

I already run this type of system with my banners so that they are targeted to the search. AdSense in SERP's would be a great addition.

Keep up all the great work. Love working with Google.

Let's see Y! or MSN listen to the webmasters and publishers this way! :)

ideavirus




msg:1429856
 3:49 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Let's see Y! or MSN listen to the webmasters and publishers this way! :)

I doubt if OV ( aka Y! ) will listen. B'cos they have already commented on NYtimes article that such a system like adsense is unreliable in long run. I mean, when they are not listeing to the Healthy Competetion, any one here thinks they would listen to small & medium sized publishers?

Google's strategy sounds a bit interesting, in a sense that : rather than depending solely on very large publishers like AOL and other ( with whom anyting can happen anytime, though they have binding legal contracts ), its better to spread the risk small timers also. Other than that, approaching small and medium sized publishers is like creating & increasing their marketshare.

[edited by: ideavirus at 3:54 am (utc) on Aug. 8, 2003]

shrirch




msg:1429857
 3:51 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not sure how many of you have done this, but do drop the adwords support folks a note thanking them. They've taken some intense heat over the last couple of days and a thank you note from a 'customer' is always a pleasure to receive.

My day job is with a *major* software vendor. I run one of their regional offices and I can assure you that the inertia that corporations have can be very frustrating (can take me 2 months to get someone to change a line or two of code due to resource constraints, change control and inertia of egos).

GoogleGuy, you folks are show some awesome abilities to admit that a mistake was made and more importantly the ability to listen.

Thanks

rockykk




msg:1429858
 3:52 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

hi
thanks Google Guy...

It is a game of one night .
I saw "Related Search" feature on adsence arround 16:00 7th Aug (indian std time) and i was very upset abt it.
I also stoped Skyscraper on my site and started 468 x 60 Banner to avoid "Related Search".
But today (on 8th Aug) 05:00 am (indian Std Time) i logged on on net to see whats status of Adsence , And i am happy to see they have temp suspended "Related Search" feature on Adsence.

Thx again Google.

Hey Google Guy pl. dont do any -ve things which will damage your image.

r0ckykk

Tiebreaker




msg:1429859
 7:22 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

WOW

First time EVER in my experience, that a major company has actually listened to the 'little guys'

I'm sorry I doubted you for a time there - can you ever forgive me? :-)

PolishGuy




msg:1429860
 7:28 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)


I'm sorry I doubted you for a time there - can you ever forgive me? :-)

no, you will get email about "fraudulant clicks" soon - as a penalty for your sins - that you doubted in God ("God" is just an abbreviation for "Google" = Google is God)...

tombola




msg:1429861
 7:36 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Some people said yesterday that "Google is evil" and less than 24 hrs later they claim "Google is God" :)

shrirch




msg:1429862
 7:37 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

<ot>Gods have done some pretty evil stuff. </ot> ;)

cornwall




msg:1429863
 12:06 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer'd it."

William Shakespeare never knew Google, but you could well substitute Google for Caesar in that quote from Julius Caesar ;)

loanuniverse




msg:1429864
 12:54 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Some people said yesterday that "Google is evil" and less than 24 hrs later they claim "Google is God" :)

LOL! Tombola.

chiyo




msg:1429865
 12:59 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Haha.. the wrath of god.

I love Polish Guy's stuff. I'm sure he just does it to rile us up...

JasonHamilton




msg:1429866
 1:55 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> 3. Allow us to run adsense on SERPs.
> I would love this as well.
> It would be easy for those that run their own search
> engines. Just have a tag in the AdSense Code where
> we could replace with <%Key Words%> and every ad
> would be targeted 100%.

I would LOVE an option for this. I've written to google several times about it, and only gotten form letters back.

Due to how Google-Mediapartners works, it does not function well on SERP because a specific search may only be done once, ever. On the other hand, some searches are done repeatedly. My solution to allow my site to work with google's existing Adsense was to only enable the ads on searches that have been done at least 5 times that day.

The larger SERP option that google has, assumes that all SERP == Web searching. My site (see my profile) clearly does not search websites, but chat sites. This is why regular Adsense ads would be a perfect match -- user searches for chat on "item N" or "topic N" and now there are ads for that item or topic! A win win situation in my mind, but I can't convince the adsense people of it. :(

</pleading>

Tiebreaker




msg:1429867
 3:36 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

no, you will get email about "fraudulant clicks" soon - as a penalty for your sins - that you doubted in God ("God" is just an abbreviation for "Google" = Google is God)...

Don't even say it in jest ...

Just thinking about that dreaded Email makes me go all cold - and I haven't done anything wrong

But my faith has been restored, so I'm sure they will resolve that problem too, in time - they can't afford to dump honest publishers like this forever - but until then, we will all have to live on our nerves :-)

shurlee




msg:1429868
 8:56 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Some people said yesterday that "Google is evil" and less than 24 hrs later they claim "Google is God" :) <

They are no more god today for taking it off than they were evil yesterday for putting it on in the first place. It's just business.

Luke_SR




msg:1429869
 12:22 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Now GG, all we need is the same focus and attention on the search and spider technology and you should be doing well. It sucks that now it's all adwords and advertising rather then good search results.

Visit Thailand




msg:1429870
 12:25 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sorry Luke_SR but I disagree with that entirely.

Google will still imho give you the best results of any SE out there, when you are looking for something Google is the most uncluttered and accurate place to go.

Of course this differs for different people but when I search for something non related to any of our sites I am generally happy, unless of course it is something very complicated (i.e. code related).

PolishGuy




msg:1429871
 9:22 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)


Don't even say it in jest ...

Just thinking about that dreaded Email makes me go all cold - and I haven't done anything wrong

pardon me my pranks, man. But you are right, I shouldn't make fun about our Google-god. The matter is deadly serious and I would stop liking anybody, even Conan O'Brian, if he/she woudl make jokes about "Google's fraudulant clicks terror-email".

I think that for webmasters who use AdSense this "Google's fraudulant clicks terror-email" (God hereby informs you that you commited, even being unaware of it, a crime of fraudulant clicks, better yourself now or God will dump you. Repeat again and God will dump you right away. With no regards, your God - Google) is the biggest fear in their life. Nothing can top it.

Sometimes, for example hot evenings in the middle of the summer, when cloudless sky inspires my imagination, I am looking up to the sky and praying: oh God, please remove this "fraudulant clicks terror", let me your love to you be pure and not disturbed by "fraudulant clicks", why don't you God, being almighty, couldn't make some more intelligent software that would simply ignore these forsaken fraudlant clicks and give us, the webmasters, the peace of mind and time to do good deeds (i.e. create content). Amen.


devlin




msg:1429872
 10:16 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

visit_thailand said
Google will still imho give you the best results of any SE out there, when you are looking for something Google is the most uncluttered and accurate place to go.

Maybe out of topic on this thread - or maybe on this forum... but let's not forget that Google, brilliant and powerful though it might be, still only manages to index about 25% - 30% of thw world's web pages.

Yes, it's a brill SE - but I still, from time to time, have to use other SEs to cover all the bases. AV and Fast are my fallback SEs

D

JasonHamilton




msg:1429873
 11:07 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

devlin, there are many web pages that are within local networks, or contain no direct link to them. While they may exist "somewhere", they don't really count for all intensive purposes, nor do they really matter in the overall scheme of things.

It's all about statics ... a small percentage of web sites power the majority of the web traffic.

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