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Does being dropped by Adsense mean deletion from SE?
Do these sites "dissapear" from the G search engine as well?
Lokutus




msg:1456102
 4:26 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have heard rumours that if a site is banned by Adsense, it will also dissappear, or at least sink way down, in the Google search rankings as an extra punishment. Is this true?

 

Jenstar




msg:1456103
 4:33 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not that I have heard of. Those who have been suspended tend to be pretty vocal about it, and I haven't heard anyone saying that. Google does say AdSense has no relation to search results.

kyrkesmith




msg:1456104
 5:10 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

It happened to an associate of mine, although of course it may not be related.

alika




msg:1456105
 5:36 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

If Google starts dropping the scraper sites from Adsense program -- then move on to drop these same sites from their SERPS in an effort to clean it up -- then you will see the link between Adsense and the SERPs.

But invalid clicks is a different matter altogether and may have a weaker linkage with the SERPs results (a site generating invalid clicks may be clean SERPs-wise).

Lokutus




msg:1456106
 5:53 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

The site in question apparently wasn't a scraper. It was an issue of some funny clicks occurring.

What's to stop someone at G after Adesense drops a site from saying, "I'm going to make that site dissapear from our SERPs"?

hmpphf




msg:1456107
 7:38 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think they don't care that much. With 4 billion pages to look after life's too short.

europeforvisitors




msg:1456108
 8:16 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

What's to stop someone at G after Adesense drops a site from saying, "I'm going to make that site dissapear from our SERPs"?

It's pretty obvious that the search and AdSense teams are operating in parallel universes. If they were working together closely, AdSense would have been launched with much tighter quality controls (including a requirement that additional sites be approved before being allowed to run the AdSense code).

yosemite




msg:1456109
 8:26 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

If people who were banned from Adsense were to be also banned from the search engine, imagine how cautious publishers would be about even signing up for Adsense.

We've all heard stories of sites being kicked off, even though Google admitted that they (the publisher) were not the source of fraudulent clicks. (How often this happens, I don't know.) Anyway, the rumors would fly about how if you sign up for Adsense and you get booted off (for any reason) then you'd also risk your search engine ranking. Such a thing could be the death knell for many sites. Who wants to risk that? Better to stay away from Adsense completely if that were the way things were going to be.

I know I would have probably never signed up for Adsense if such a risk existed. The income from Adsense is very nice, but if I were to be at risk for dropping off the search engine radar because I signed up with Adsense, well, forget it. It would not be worth the hassle or worry.

europeforvisitors




msg:1456110
 8:35 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's unlikely that Google would use fraudulent clicks as a reason to drop a site's pages from search.

Scrapers and other made-for-AdSense sites are a different issue. It would be perfectly reasonable for Google's search team to take a hard look at any site that the AdSense team has identified as spam--or even to use "booted by AdSense" as a negative scoring factor in the ranking algorithm.

ChrisKud5




msg:1456111
 9:07 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's unlikely that Google would use fraudulent clicks as a reason to drop a site's pages from search.

Not being a google employee i am unsure as to how you are so sure about what exactly will go on with google all the time. Last I checked Google did what they wanted in terms of their products, and I would imagine they would continue to do so.

europeforvisitors




msg:1456112
 12:51 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

And last time I checked, "unlikely" didn't imply certainty. :-)

blairsp




msg:1456113
 6:59 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Most of my individual site pages fell slightly. NO they were content before anyone asks. NOT scraper. Dropped a few notches but that could have been the natural ebb and flow with others being far better at SEO than me.Don't really have a conspiracy theory other than if the pages at the top of google search have active adsense pages on them then it would stand to reason that would make money for G. Therefore as long as they have adsense then they are likely to stay there f they don't then they might drop.

alika




msg:1456114
 11:40 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

chriskud ... if a person posts here in this forum, i am sure they are expecting merely the opinions of other webmasters and NOT Google. If anyone wants the opinion of G, then they are at the wrong place and should simply email G. This has been your favored line in your last several posts.

tebrino




msg:1456115
 10:34 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

When my account was disabled, my Google traffic doubled:)

funandgames




msg:1456116
 6:49 am on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Teb,

Have you been able to get Adsense back? Why were you suspended?

paybacksa




msg:1456117
 1:44 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think they don't care that much. With 4 billion pages to look after life's too short.

Be careful about being too quick with this line of thinking.

In actuality, once there are "too many" pages to look after, people start to limit their attention to the outliers. They aren't even aware that their perspective has been skewed. In science it is the root cause of something called sample bias.

I would not be at all surprised if the humans that are Google started sharing concerns between SE and AdSense, and that in the beginning such sharing was highly biased. It's human nature. Someday the AdSense expertise will flow across to the SE side and the SE people will start to understand minutia about AdSense vs. SE details, but not for a while.

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