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Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 2984 posted 10:09 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

The past two days have been quite strange. Normally we would add a page then visit it, and an ad would appear within minutes or seconds.

Now it seems some pages have immediate ads. In other words pages that never existed before have immediate ads. I think I recalll seeing this at the beginning of AdSense but for us at least recently it was more wait a while then an ad would appear.

It does not happen for all pages even though they seem very similar.

Anyone else see this?

 

Hinso

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Msg#: 2984 posted 11:53 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been getting instant 'generic' ads that seem to be based on the website content. But on a few other new pages PSA's have appeared for a short period - up to an hour or so - before the targeted ads are shown.

Perhaps it depends on how busy the 'bot is - in some cases it may have zipped through before the ads were loaded.

An alternative explnation may be that generic ads are produced if new pages are uploaded in a highly populated directory.

Visi

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Msg#: 2984 posted 1:44 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Or this is the outcome of what we have been noting for a while that google is not serving ads relevent to the page but to the site. An alternative to PSA's but not applicable when site covers more than one topic. Normally we see these driven by the ads on the main index page. We have written google support on this but no reply at this time.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 2984 posted 2:11 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yesterday I published a review of [John Doe's] book about [type of] travel on [continent], and within a few minutes I was seeing ads for [type of] tours, related [widgets], and [John Doe's] books.

The ads in the book review definitely weren't general "site theme" ads like the ones I might have expected to see--they were matched to specific keywords on the page.

Visi

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Msg#: 2984 posted 2:20 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Media bot must just like you efv:)

We can't even get it to revise ads on end of month changes anymore, including revising ad sizes to attract it. Send it our way for a bit please.

alika

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Msg#: 2984 posted 2:23 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

We have pages where we can get targeted ads in less than 5 minutes after uploading the page. We have pages that get targeted ads about 5 days after uploading the site.

And we have even more pages that are targeted to the site, not to the actual page - not even if we change the ad format several times. Some pages are just sooooo stubborn! Thankfully, our site's main topic attracts a lot of advertisers and good EPC.

annej

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Msg#: 2984 posted 2:30 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm convinced that the google bot comes around more often the better your PR. I wonder if there is any such pattern with the media bot.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 2984 posted 3:02 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm convinced that the google bot comes around more often the better your PR. I wonder if there is any such pattern with the media bot.

Could be, but if there is, it would make more sense (from Google's point of view) to base the Mediapartnerbot's visiting schedule on revenue or impressions, not on PageRank.

designaweb

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Msg#: 2984 posted 3:15 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think it might have to do with the domain you are on. I was running adsense on www.domain.com, and it was showing widget ads - which was fine, it's on topic.

Then I set up a test site on this domain (www.domain.com/testsite/), also using adsense code. However, this site was not about widgets at all, but it was still showing widget related ads, the one relevant to the main site.

dhatz

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Msg#: 2984 posted 3:34 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm convinced that the google bot comes around more often the better your PR. I wonder if there is any such pattern with the media bot.

Mediapartners bot spiders a page on my B2B test site within a few minutes after some visitor views that page. Sometimes 1-2 minutes, other times it takes a bit longer.

On more "mainstream subject" pages which receive a much higher number of visitors/day, I noticed that it would take a bit longer.

All pages are static, with Modified- http header.

On the other hand, I *think* that Mediapartners Googlebot is less eager to spider pages I view myself, from my own IP (that I check Adsense account with). Just my impression.

Edit PS: Just to add that I had a look at my Adsense monitoring script (I only check Adsense 2-3 times per week) and see MANY new advertisers. Back in April, 40% of all ads were "generic", e.g. BizRate. At this rate of change, I think that in 1-2 years only the bigger advertisers with big budgets will be able to advertise, just like few companies can afford to advertise on national TV.

Jenstar

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Msg#: 2984 posted 4:01 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I recently uploaded a new site, and a couple minutes later, I viewed an internal page. I saw targeted ads on that first page view, although the ads seemed to be delayed about a second. A check of my logs showed that was the first time anyone had viewed the page, and mediabot was there instantly.

Now usually, I would have passed it off as themed ads. Yet this site was about something COMPLETELY different than my other sites. ie. if all my other sites were "sports", this one was about "knitting" (exampled keywords ;) ).

So I thought hmmm, perhaps mediabot had somehow been to other pages in the site, and they were already showing themed ads for the site, but that wasn't the case. This particular page mentioned something seemingly off-topic to "knitting", such as "ice cubes". And lo and behold, the top ads in a 5-ad skyscraper were "ice cube" ads.

There is no way mediabot could have guessed that without seeing the page, in fact, it is probably the only mention of "ice cubes" on any of my pages on any domain running AdSense, yet my logs showed mediabot there within about a second of my viewing the page, and extremely targeted ads appeared instantly.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 2984 posted 5:19 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just to add that I had a look at my Adsense monitoring script (I only check Adsense 2-3 times per week) and see MANY new advertisers. Back in April, 40% of all ads were "generic", e.g. BizRate. At this rate of change, I think that in 1-2 years only the bigger advertisers with big budgets will be able to advertise, just like few companies can afford to advertise on national TV.

I think that will depend a lot on the topic. Bids for mass-market and big-ticket items are likely to become much more expensive, but bids for more obscure goods and services won't necessarily rise significantly because there won't be enough bidders to create more demand.

HitProf

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Msg#: 2984 posted 8:29 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Could it be url-based?

I have seen a site one day where you could put in a url and then see type of ads you'd get. This was a couple of months ago, before swiches in targeting. Perhaps they've implemented this again for pre spidered pages?

Jenstar

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Msg#: 2984 posted 11:59 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> Could it be url-based?

Definitely not with the example I used.

longen

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Msg#: 2984 posted 12:23 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Earlier this evening i uploaded some new pages to my web-space. I didn't link them to my web-site, just stored them for security while i did some proof-reading. About three hours later i made them live, and on the first access i saw page-themed adverts - which suggests that media-bot indexes everything it finds in a folder, not just pages that are live/linked.

annej

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Msg#: 2984 posted 1:42 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

it would make more sense (from Google's point of view) to base the Mediapartnerbot's visiting schedule on revenue or impressions, not on PageRank.

You are most likely right. I think it might be more CTR than total clicks as I have a niche topic and it appears to be checked almost instantly.

Jenstar

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Msg#: 2984 posted 5:36 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The site I used an example for was brand new, newly registered, so there couldn't have been any sort of mediabot incentive such as a high CTR site that would have caused it to visit this site/page and instantly show ads. It had no history at all in AdSense (would have been one of the very first impressions for the entire domain, and no clicks at all).

designaweb

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Msg#: 2984 posted 8:39 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

It might also have to do something with the server it is hosted on? I saw a site B that ran ads on-topic to site A, both hosted on the same IP, but a different domain. After a while, site B had on-topic ads to topic B...

fasteddie uk2001

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Msg#: 2984 posted 9:59 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I saw the exact same thing as Jenstar with adsense ads on a new site yesterday. I uploaded the pages and then went to the index page, within 1 - 2 seconds adsense ads appeared, however then as I clicked deeper into the sub-categories targetted ads were already there when I clicked.

It was as if the mediabot was actually spidering, once called to the index page it seemed to have found the other pages before anyone (myself in this case) had clicked through to them.

They were extremely targetted and unique to each page, so not generic run-of-site ads.

Is it possible that mediabot proactively spiders through the site looking for other pages with adsense on them, I thought it was generally initiated by first visit to the page.

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HitProf

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Msg#: 2984 posted 10:29 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I think this is good news, no matter how they do it?

Roomy

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Msg#: 2984 posted 11:38 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've noticed the same phenomena, almost instant well targetted ads. I do however have to keep blocking the larger advertisers who for some reason, target my industry and insist on providing completely irrelevant landing pages.

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