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Putting adsense on new websites
Should we wait till the site has decent traffic?
mallu




msg:1426696
 10:15 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I launched a new website yesterday.

Now the question I have is when should I start putting adsense ads on it.

Should I do it straightaway and risk google pulling me up for low ( quality ) traffic ...

Or Should I wait till I get some decent traffic ... unless, there is traffic, nobody is going to click anyway ..

What are your thoughts?

 

Imaster




msg:1426697
 10:21 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Mallu,

If you have already been approved for another website and you wish to use the same code on this new website, then simply go for it.

Number of pageview is not the question here because its a CPC program and Google won't pull you for that.

Imagine, 500 impressions in a day with a ctr of 3% ;)

Good luck.

mallu




msg:1426698
 10:40 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I already have a couple of established sites where I run adsense .. I am doing okay. Nothing great but nothing bad either .. Got my first check already.

Although, we cannot track on a per site basis, I am sure google can.

So if they put a limit on quality at a later time and find my new site ( not even in the index ) is not up to the mark, will they pull me up, is my fear.

Adsense, I am sure, has resulted in several webmasters launching new sites which were not viable earlier. So google might want to do something like that.

PolishGuy




msg:1426699
 10:55 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Should I do it straightaway and risk google pulling me up for low ( quality ) traffic ...

Or Should I wait till I get some decent traffic ... unless, there is traffic, nobody is going to click anyway ..

google shouldn't pull you up, it is allowed to put the banner on all sites in various topics.

it is annoying however this lack of targetting of totally new web sites (with new Internet domains)! I have a theory: some Google guy has to first manually look at each new URL before approving it! that's why they don't appear automatically after adding the AdSense code.

I am very sad, because despite putting the ads at the new website yesterday, today still not targetted ads appear, just charities....

killroy




msg:1426700
 11:01 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Actually, I've had the experience that as soon as th edomain was included into the google index the PSAs stopeed. Interestingly enough a new SUB-domain on an existing indexed domain didn't show PSAs.

SN

PolishGuy




msg:1426701
 11:06 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

as soon as th edomain was included into the google index the PSAs stopeed.

so it looks like all this talk about AdSense bots is pure nonsense! it must be in google index itself (go to www.google.com and type "your-website-domain" and it is not found it is not there) to get non-PSA AdS!
In other words if Google will not spider it into its index, we can wait for ever to get targetted Ads.

I am even more sad...

mallu




msg:1426702
 11:16 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Polish Guy : A bit curious on why you are not getting targeted ads ...

I did put up ads on a brand new site of a friend, and from the first page view, the site was getting targeted ads ... From the first page view ...

It is my understanding that adsense depends a lot on the directory of the file, the name of the file itself and the title of the page ... If all three are well targeted, you will get a relevant ad even without google spidering you ..

That has been my experiance, ofcourse.

PolishGuy




msg:1426703
 11:22 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I did put up ads on a brand new site of a friend, and from the first page view, the site was getting targeted ads ... From the first page view ...

It is my understanding that adsense depends a lot on the directory of the file, the name of the file itself and the title of the page ... If all three are well targeted, you will get a relevant ad even without google spidering you ..

I do it right - the web site design. If I type the title of the new web site in Google search, then many AdWords appear! So the title is targeted.

The new site of your friend was on a totally new Internet domain? Mine is!

My theory is: given web site must be in Google's index to get targeted Ads. Otherwise it gets charity ads. The web site of your friend probably got into the Google's index because he announced it somewhere else - before you were putting the ads on it - therefore targeted ads appeared right away.

I am quite convinced that my theory is valid.

chiyo




msg:1426704
 11:30 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just would guess that google would want to know something about the "history" of the domain before delivering to it. Things like whether it has any "black marks", similar sites, linkages, keywords associated with it over time. With virginal domains all goggle knows is that it is owned by you, who also has these other domains where the same code is used.

PolishGuy




msg:1426705
 11:34 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just would guess that google would want to know something about the "history" of the domain before delivering to it. Things like whether it has any "black marks", similar sites, linkages, keywords associated with it over time.

what are you talking about? I have no idea!

are you saying that totally new Internet domain must wait months over months before it will get targeted AdSense ads?

could you elaborate on "black marks" and linkages?

killroy




msg:1426706
 11:38 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree. I believe it simpl wants googlebot to know about it, so it can be sure it'S not a porn site or whatnot. I'm sure googlebot gives it some sort of "safe" classification.

mediaprtner-bot still does the targeting spidering.

SN

mallu




msg:1426707
 11:48 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

The said website was totally new. It was not in google index. It didnt have a single back link.

The moment I uploaded it and refreshed it, it was showing targeted ads. Like I said, On the first page view.

I think, it also depends on where the ad is placed.

For example, on one of my sites, a user had made a comment just below the ad which was totally off topic and completely unrelated to the post ... The ad changed to reflect that comment and not the content of the rest of the page.

Anyway, my experiance has been that, google will show targeted ads without spidering ...

PolishGuy




msg:1426708
 12:01 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Anyway, my experiance has been that, google will show targeted ads without spidering ...

so why it is not showing targeted Ads on my new web site new internet doman? it makes no sense.

I am sure that you overlooked something and that you site was spidered by googlebot before (in the google index).

chiyo




msg:1426709
 12:01 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>are you saying that totally new Internet domain must wait months over months before it will get targeted AdSense ads? <<

No please do not panic PolishGuy! I was just musing, like Killroy that google may want to know SOMETHING about the site. If it is associated with spam, porn, and what it links to - it's "reputation" i guess. If it is completely new, google knows nothing about it apart from the first mediapartners spider and the fact it is associated with other sites that also has the same id. Im not saying its the only possibility, but could be one of a variety of automated factors that google takes into account before delivering properly. I think others here have given other examples of completely new sites having relevant ads straight away. So as always with things-google i tend to think there are a multitue of causes and trying to isolate one of two may only get you one peice of a jigsaw.

>>could you elaborate on "black marks" and linkages?<<

say for example, whether a web site links to bad neighbourhoods, has a penalty, whether the who is owner or previous owner of the domain owns other sites with black marks etc.

In the case of a completely new site, it has a completely blank police record! ,,though there is some info on it crossliked with who-is data.

novice




msg:1426710
 12:11 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

<what are you talking about? I have no idea!

are you saying that totally new Internet domain must wait months over months before it will get targeted AdSense ads?

could you elaborate on "black marks" and linkages?>

Polishguy

chiyo is refering to domains that may have a Google ban or penalty on them. A lot of domains that are available carry a penalty by Google for search engine spamming, hidden text, cloaking, link farms... You can do a search at www.archive.org to do a check on the history of the domain.

There are many topics on WW about penalized sites having a penalty even after the domain expires and is renewed by someone else.

<Added

chiyo beat me to the response. You can ignore this post or use it for additional info.

PolishGuy




msg:1426711
 12:16 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

You can do a search at www.archive.org to do a check on the history of the domain.

I just did it and the new Internet domain of mine is not listed in archive.org at all. I don't believe it was once owned by anybody.

Look, I created the new website not just to appeal to AdSense but because I am fascinated with the topics of this site and because I know that many other people like it too (it's technical things) like these topics and it contains some content not available anywhere else. But this lack of AdSense targeting is demotivating me from making of new content for this web site... the Google vicious circle...

mallu




msg:1426712
 12:23 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Polish guy,

I am positive that the domain name is new ... We did a check on google as well as archive.org before buying that domain ...

Posts on the domain have urls of the type,

{prefix}-keyword.com/sub-key-word/keyword-related-title ,

The aforementioned keyword is one of most popular online ...

The post had everything going for it ... meta keywords written down meticulously ... proper h1 architecture ... placement of ad right alongside content etc etc

We did something right to get targeted ads straight away ... I am sorry if I am not able to pinpoint exactly what ...

PolishGuy




msg:1426713
 12:42 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

The post had everything going for it ... meta keywords written down meticulously ... proper h1 architecture ... placement of ad right alongside content etc etc

Well, I have just noticed that at this new website (new Internet domain too) I do not have meta tags (description, etc). Could this be the reason why I don't get targeted AdSense banners?

Any tips how these meta tags should be optimised for Google AdSense?

(I will correct them today later on and I will see if it helps)

chiyo




msg:1426714
 12:54 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Polish Guy, I would think anything that would help mediapartners bot decide what the theme of each page is the better. Metatags of course can easily be spammed and that is why most think the normal googlebot ignores them.

i dont think it would do any harm to include a meta desc and meta keywords that include the key terms used in the page and see if that helps.

For me i would just use normal principles i use normally. Just a very few keywords separated by spaces in keyword meta. A grammatical sentence or two summarising page content no longer than 15 to 20 words and including keywords for description meta

PolishGuy




msg:1426715
 1:08 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

, I would think anything that would help mediapartners bot decide what the theme of each page is the better. Metatags of course can easily be spammed and that is why most think the normal googlebot ignores them.

I don't know what these ro-bots do, because I have added the Meta tags with description and keywords and I still do not get targeted AdSense ads on this new website with new domain. I am very sad.

Visit Thailand




msg:1426716
 1:18 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Polish Guy - you have heard the expression that patience is a virtue and you have also read in another thread that some sites are experiencing non targetted ads over the past few days even though they alreay have thoudsnds of similar pages showing targetted ads.

So again - be patient follow what people say here but every thing takes time.

Jenstar




msg:1426717
 4:21 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

PolishGuy, metas do not affect AdSense. I am running AdSense on a site with no metas yet, and it is showing targeted ads.

I know others responded to you last thread, explaining that this delay for showing targeted ads seems to be AdSense-wide. Your site isn't being singled out for any reason ;)

PolishGuy




msg:1426718
 5:24 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

explaining that this delay for showing targeted ads seems to be AdSense-wide. Your site isn't being singled out for any reason ;)

thank you for cheering me up but I am sure I have lost real money due to this outage. it sucks. and google pretends that nothing happens - no announcements, nothing... it looks like Google is not treating seriously, us, publishers...

(still no targeted ads at my new website - after 24 hours..)

ams_david




msg:1426719
 5:40 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I still do not get targeted AdSense ads on this new website with new domain. I am very sad.

Well, a wild guess: PolishGuy, are you actually in Poland? If so, you'll run up against AdSense geo-targeting, and only see poland-targeted ads. One might guesstimate that the ad inventory available to Poland is very sparse compared to larger markets (such as USA, for example)

valortrade




msg:1426720
 5:43 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, a wild guess...

Bingo! Reasonable guess. Maybe I could help you confirm this from US if you live outside US.

PolishGuy




msg:1426721
 8:52 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, a wild guess: PolishGuy, are you actually in Poland? If so, you'll run up against AdSense geo-targeting, and only see poland-targeted ads. One might guesstimate that the ad inventory available to Poland is very sparse compared to larger markets (such as USA, for example)

No, I am not in Poland, I am now in certain country west of Poland.

Also: I am checking the adds through AOL (through servers in USA), so it is wrong guess.

By the way: don't worry about Ad inventory for Poland. I have some minor Poland related web sites in English and they have plenty of Poland-related AdSense ads...

Don't forget that on May 1st, 2004 Poland is entering European Union (EU) as full member and then the EU will change for ever...

PolishGuy




msg:1426722
 8:56 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

So again - be patient follow what people say here but every thing takes time.

my patience is over. Even now, over 24 hours after launching the web site, it has no targeted AdSense banners, just those nasty charity nonsense.

My conclusion is crystal clear (valid for me, for you may not be valid) : if my new web site will not be indexed in Google then I will never ever forever have a targeted AdSense banners on this web site. This is sad truth. So now I am working on this to convince Google to index it... it is my one and only hope.

By the way: I have removed AdSense banners about charities because:

- they destroy my reputation (reputation of the web site) if they are being displayed

- they are advertising charities that I don't endorse. I would prefer some human cloning or genetics related charities and not some general one that spend most money on new cars and fancy buildings...

Jenstar




msg:1426723
 9:09 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Others are losing money too, while this problem is fixed.

If you are against certain charities being displayed on your site, you might be able to disallow them by adding them to your banned list. Not sure if it works for charity ads, but it is a possible solution.

PolishGuy




msg:1426724
 9:20 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you are against certain charities being displayed on your site, you might be able to disallow them by adding them to your banned list.

this is against my personal principles and equals to censorship.

but I am losing money and displaying charities is hurting reputation of my (new) website therefore I have removed google AdSense banners from there altogether.

BTW: my other web sites are performing today exceptionally well.... CTR and money... so this one new web site is not hurting me much, but the matter of fact is : I am losing some money because of this lack of targetting there... (despite having interesting content there).

james007




msg:1426725
 9:23 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

If it's any help, I added Adsense banners to a low-traffic, family-specific genealogy site. While it's low-traffic, it's high-ranking, and I had well-targeted ads appearing there instantly.

I do have other websites that I could add Adsense to, but after checking what the AdSense banners would display, I decided not to add the code.

However, I do share the worry of PolishGuy here. I want to make sure that Google get the best out of me - and if I slap ad banners on a poor site after getting acceptance from Google from a different one, I don't think that's fair on Google.

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