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hooloovoo22

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 1:02 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Along with additional channels, a preview tool, additional language support, a new ad layout and some other account changes you have to agree to.

Same as before you see everything once you login and agree to terms.

Anxiously awaiting Jenstar's recap ;)

 

jonathanleger

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 5:44 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Muahahaha! I have modified my tracking code to track the queries people are using in the WebSearch!

I feel so powerful. ;)

PanUK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 5:45 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>It avoids the need for displaying Google's logo on my pages

You can't alter the copy and paste code?

I could alter it to a black background and change the logo to a blk.gif(black) that Google already has in two minutes flat but the point is your not allowed to.

Jettie

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 5:49 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

europeforvisitors do you use frames?

brakkar

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 5:49 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)


Muahahaha! I have modified my tracking code to track the queries people are using in the WebSearch!

What do you mean? Which tracking code?

jonathanleger

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 5:53 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Which tracking code?

[webmasterworld.com...]

That tracking script. :)

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 6:25 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Jettie: No, I don't use frames. Heaven forbid. :-)

a1call

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 6:32 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Muahahaha! I have modified my tracking code to track the queries people are using in the WebSearch!

Good. Now you may just find out that people don't realy use search boxes on content sites to search the web.;)

loanuniverse

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 6:46 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have thousands of searches of my site using my internal search. I also suspect that a substantial number of those searches thought that they were searching the whole web since some words are so out of topic is funny.

ChrisKud5

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 6:59 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I love the people that raced to go sign up and put the code on their pages and then about page 8 people started asking about "what fees where does it say anything about fees".

jim_w

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 7:00 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Humm, after reading all this, I think I'll stick the search box on my site map and route my search link to the site map page.

loanuniverse

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 7:02 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Humm, after reading all this, I think I'll stick the search box on my site map and route my search link to the site map page.

Good idea...

auseyeidol

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 12:50 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm giving it a go - replacing my current 'site search' with it.

If Google wanted to make it really useful to me however - they'd give me the ability to track how many people use the search function (and break it down into if they search the web or my site) and tell me what they are searching for.

My current 'site search' lets me know what people are looking for which is very useful. If you can track what people want information on you have a ready made list of things to provide content for.

Visit Thailand

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 2:01 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

What I find interesting about this is that they show ads above and below the search results, which might just be another conmfirmation that they will soon allow AdSense publishers the ability to put two ads on one page (i.e above and below content - or whatever).

That I am looking forward to.

Small Website Guy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 2:54 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I replaced a Commission Junction banner ad that no one was clicking on anyway with the new Google WebSearch thingamajig.

It will be interesting to see if it makes any money. At least it gives people an easy way to search my site.

andrew_m

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 3:16 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

auseyeidol,
if you provide your logo as a gif image, you can see what people search for in the referrer info for that gif file.
In theory one can make that gif dynamically generated and store search queries somewhere for later analysis.

asinah

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 3:55 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

The WebSearch has been on our website for the past 15 hours.

( For the moment we only put the code on our Educational sites and the results are very impressive )

The CTR is very high but I did noticed that the EPC is a little bit lower compared to Adsense on our content pages.

I contacted yesterday another educational website that have around 25-40 million users online per month and they refused so far to join Adsense as they are an NPO.

They use Google SiteSearch as well for the past year and the website is under permanent financial restrain as they only take donations.

I recommended them yesterday on joining Adsense WebSearch as they have huge traffic in 60 countries and they should now be able to purchase as much hardware as needed.

I have seen yesterday what is possible on our website with SiteSearch and we really don't have that much users per day. On a site which around 25-40 million users per month they could fairly generate a Million Dollars in revenues in no time.

I will contact more large none profit websites and educational institutes in Asia to join SiteSearch.

Jesse_Smith

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 5:24 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has any one got an answer from them about making text links to search results, like
[google.com...]

I E-mailed them, but didn't got a reply due to them not having programmers smart enough to allow you to change your E-mail address.

blaze

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 5:39 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)


All search queries must originate from individual human end users inputting data directly into a Search Box on Your Site(s).

https://www.google.com/adsense/localized-terms

Small Website Guy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 3:09 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's pretty clear that it violates the terms of service to direct your users to automatic searches.

Otherwise, sneaky webmasters would encourage users search for topics with high paying ads.

In fact, this WebSearch is more open to abuse than AdSense. With AdSense, at least you have to put some effort into creating a page about a high paying topic, and on one occassion I did that and all I got were the damned PSA ads.

With WebSearch, you can just type the high paying keywords into the search box.

clearvision

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 3:46 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Maybe that is why the EPC is so much lower...the system has more opportunity for abuse.

rravenn

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 4:07 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

loanuniverse

I have thousands of searches of my site using my internal search. I also suspect that a substantial number of those searches thought that they were searching the whole web since some words are so out of topic is funny.

Just a small idea.

Maybe you could include some text in your logo gif to help the visitor.
For example -
Didn't Find What you Want?
Maybe you did an internal search on www.sitename.com. Try searching again with the 'Search WWW' checked.

jhood

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 7:20 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hmmmm ... I have been using an excellent service called Blossom Site Search but am trying Google for a week to see what happens.

The two biggest minuses for me are 1.) the inability to have a small search box on each page of my site, as I did with Blossom and 2.) the lack of a periodic search report. Blossom sent me a biweekly report on what terms were searched for, which was tremendously helpful in figuring out what site visitors were looking for (as opposed to what they found, which is about all the server logs reliably tell you).

The EPC for Websearch is also surprisingly low, though the CTR is healthy enough.

It's probably a great service for small sites that can't afford to pay a few hundred bucks a year for a service like Blossom, I'm not sure it's quite right for larger sites, at least in its present form.

deanw

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 9:51 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Where do you find the WebSearch code? I'm a registered AdSense user but for the life of me I can't find the WebSearch code.

loanuniverse

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 11:34 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

rravenn:

That is so funny..... I actually have the following text "Can't find it here? Try the internet or change your search parameters a little." in some pages.

Vivi_Labo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 11:54 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yesterday I contacted Google about the fees, and here is the answer I received from them:

"The WebSearch fees that are referenced in the
AdSense Terms and Conditions will not be applied to all publishers. Google
incurs a cost for each search that is performed through WebSearch, and
generally we cover this cost through our portion of the earnings from
advertiser clicks. However, publishers with very high numbers of searches
in relation to their revenue may have an amount deducted from their final
WebSearch earnings. We expect the number of publishers to be impacted by
this to be very small.

The WebSearch fees will never be greater than the publisher's WebSearch
earnings, so no publisher will owe Google at the end of the month as a
result of these fees. Earnings from AdSense for content clicks will not be
affected. The adjustment will take place at the end of each month, when
earnings are calculated."

Vivi

Kimkia

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 12:22 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Interesting answer about the fees. Mmmmm....

Does anyone know if the web search stats are back on track? I regenerated my code, as per the email I received from Google, but the stats are showing impossibly low page views. I know Adsense stats often lag behind, but wondered if anyone else is seeing a lag on websearch stats today?

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 1:10 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know if the web search stats are back on track? I regenerated my code, as per the email I received from Google, but the stats are showing impossibly low page views. I know Adsense stats often lag behind, but wondered if anyone else is seeing a lag on websearch stats today?

I think they're probably lagging quite a bit, although it's hard to be sure since most of my users don't use internal search and this is always my slowest day of the week.

Side note: My EPC in the first 36 hours has been a third of my "content ads" EPC (although it's too early to draw conclusions from such a limited sample).

loanuniverse

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 1:27 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

My stats are showing a couple of impressions, and I only ran one test after installing the new code.

I will give it at least 24 hours. Then again, there is no way to check it and see since the search pages are not generated in my server.

clearvision

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 1:31 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree. Everything (income and clicks) is on a smaller scale than the content ads. Sat. is also my slowest day and a diffcult time to evaluate results.

I am just trying to determine if these search click throughs effect my current Adsense income since they seem to be a lower EPC. Basically if Adsense income stays the same and the Search adds extra funds.... great, but if there is a lag in Adsense income and I find that these people are using the lower income search option more than Adsense content ( which pays more)...the search will be history :)

madmatt69

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 1:39 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey, if the clicks are still only 1/3rd of normal content adsense ads, that's overall a 30% increase! Not bad :)

jenkers

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2826 posted 7:40 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm seriously thinking about adding this to a particular site but share the worries of other people here - size and colour of search box, pretty cruddy looking results page etc.

Surely the earnings from this will be lower:

unless I have completely misunderstood, G track the impressions from the image next to the search box.

Your CTR is when someone performs a search, but you only get paid if someone clicks on a paid advertisement on the results page. Therefore I'd expect the CPC to be considerably lower then Adsense, if people are getting 30% of their Adsense revenue from this then that suggests it is working extremely well (if I've completely misunderstood how the system works I apologise in advance).

Also, I'd imagine that the Google 'charges'; will be taken off at the same time - but like the earnings they will never let us know the details.

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