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Google WebSearch is live!

 1:02 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Along with additional channels, a preview tool, additional language support, a new ad layout and some other account changes you have to agree to.

Same as before you see everything once you login and agree to terms.

Anxiously awaiting Jenstar's recap ;)



 2:25 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I clicked subscribe and it seemed to worked but when I went back to accounts it said 'subscribed: no' and now when I try to subscribe I'm getting an error. Maybe it's a system overload. Anyone else having this problem.


 2:31 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

The adsense publisher gets paid for the ads that are clicked on the search results pages.
welcome to webmasterworld btw


 2:31 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey .. Can you use "sitesearch" to search a domain other than your own?

It certainly seems that way.. Can't see anything in the policies or terms of use regarding this.


 2:32 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

i hope Jen or somebody give a recap

Coming up later this evening, it takes time to write it all and analyze what has changed ;)


 2:35 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

im not completely shure, but to my understanding, you get money for every search someone makes on your site?

No, you are paid every time that someone clicks on an ad in the search results.

<edit> Sorry, I see the question was already answered. I should have refreshed before I posted</edit>


 2:40 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's surprising that a web company as eminent as Google can put out such rubbish code.


2) Lack of quote marks around values

3) <td>&nbsp;</td>

4) <font size=-1>

What's all that about?

It's like falling through a timewarp.

I changed Google's version:

<!-- SiteSearch Google -->
<FORM method=GET action='http://www.google.com/custom'>
<TABLE bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>
<tr><td nowrap='nowrap' valign='top' align='center' height='32'>
<A HREF='http://www.google.com/'>
<IMG SRC='http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_25wht.gif'
border='0' ALT='Google'></A>
<input type=hidden name=domains value='mysite.com'><INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=31 maxlength=255 value=''>
<INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE='Search'>
<br/><font size=-1>
<input type=radio name=sitesearch value=''> Web
<input type=radio name=sitesearch value='mysite.com' checked>mysite.com
<input type=hidden name=cof value='LOADSACODE'>
<input type=hidden name=hl value='en'>

<!-- SiteSearch Google -->

A word to the wise, don't cut and paste this, firstly your site isn't called mysite.com and secondly it won't work without the "LOADSACODE" which was about three lines of code which I removed

into this:

<!-- SiteSearch Google -->
<form method="get" id="search" action="http://www.google.com/custom">
<a href="http://www.google.com/"><img style="background:#fff;" src="http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_25wht.gif" border="0" alt="Google"></a><br />
<label for="q">SiteSearch</label>
<input type="hidden" name="domains" value="mysite.com">
<input type="text" name="q" id="q" size="12" maxlength="255" value="">
<input type="submit" name="sa" value="Find">
<br /><div style="font-size:10px; text-align:left;">
<input type="radio" name="sitesearch" value=""> Web<br />
<input type="radio" name="sitesearch" value="mysite.com" checked="checked">mysite.com
<br /></div>
<input type="hidden" name="cof" value="LOADSACODE">
<input type="hidden" name="hl" value="en">
<!-- SiteSearch Google -->

It still works.

Do you think Google will mind? >;->

[edited by: ronin at 2:55 am (utc) on June 18, 2004]


 2:42 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thirdly, it's against the TOS to change the html..

I'm pretty sure their checker is automated, so they won't notice that you just cleaned it up..

Also, you forgot the



 2:46 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can we place a search box on pages that already serve regular Adsense ads?


 2:49 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good question birdstuff, I imagine that will be alright as it's not two sections of ads showing on one page.

I also noticed how shabby the html code was for the search box too, took a minute or two for me to fix it up.


 2:49 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Multiple ad units may be displayed on each Web site page, but no ad unit shall contain any advertisement in common with any other ad unit.


 2:50 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just to say I think this is a great move.... perhaps Jenstar is asleep/afk - it is late evening in Canada....


 2:54 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for that, blaze!

birdstuff> As I understand it from the TOS, you can have the Search box on the same page as Google adsense but... it seemed to say something along the lines of not being allowed to have any kind of advert which could be reasonably mistaken as coming from Google on the same page as a searchbox.

This raises one major issue.

Up until now, it's been acceptable to use AdSense alternatives (ie. other contextual ad providers) to replace PSAs, because if the alternative was on the page, that meant that AdSense wasn't.

But, the searchbox is on the page permanently... so, back to PSA's?


 3:01 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

What a splendid move.

HTML style for style's sake leaves me cold, but the code doesn't make sense. I'm getting the Google logo on its own row, the search box (with sitesearch) on another, pushed to the right by that empty cell. Odd. Unusable.

I'm sure they'll fix it. It's certainly a little dispiriting they launched it like that.

I'm also getting scripting errors, the ol' "undefined is undefined." (Sounds like a fragment of Heraclitus.) Maybe that's where the table error comes from, although it sails through in Netscape and still produces the same code.


 3:06 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sure would like to see a sample placement of this (real, not an image) it is my understanding that a publisher would place the "search box" on his sites and once a surfer ran a search from this box he would be served a page like I saw in the gif on the page mentioned above.. Basically google serps but customizable with your site logo at top. Is that correct?


 3:09 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Frankly, XHTML (used in the code rewrite earlier) is a pain in the butt. Until it's forced upon me, I'll stick with my more keystroke efficient HTML. :-)


 3:22 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

That was 4.01


 3:24 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

wow, this looks like a *really* nice feature. Can't find a live demo, only the screenshot from https://www.google.com/adsense/ws-overview


 3:33 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've set it up on a moderate traffic site. My CTR on this site using Adsense was around 2%. I wonder if this will go up (or down?) and I wonder if the EPC would be better or worse. As soon as I get some idea I'll pass it along.


 3:34 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is there anyone who installed the code on their site? What's the impact on Clickthrough rate? Google says AOL reports 30+% rise.


 3:38 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is so big! The Image, is just too tall.

One quick suggestion:

variations of the box.... as in 3 or 4 more sizes. Just like GoTo used to have.

a slender size
a square size
a bigger size {god knows why but there might be some}

You can cram the logo, and the radio buttons closer. I know you can, and since the webmasters can't touch your code it has to come from you guys at the Plex.


 3:45 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

What'd really be nice is if we were allowed to pre-fill the search box.


 3:51 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

One quick suggestion:

variations of the box.... as in 3 or 4 more sizes. Just like GoTo used to have.

a slender size
a square size
a bigger size {god knows why but there might be some}

I'd like to see a horizontal band like the one that Washingtonpost.com uses above its content. It would work perfectly below a horizontal navbar.


 3:52 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just give it time guys. They will add more sizes and features. When we get bored with these they will send us something new.


 3:58 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

In addition to be able to change the code, they should also add a feature to see what the visitors searched for, which terms. To help us improve our own site.


 4:11 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

You could probably do that with javascript.. Something like an Onunload='new Image().src="/mystat.php?q="+form[0].q.value'.. or something similar.

Well, actually, the Image might not load because you are switching pages, you may need to frame and ask the parent to load the image.

[edited by: blaze at 4:12 am (utc) on June 18, 2004]


 4:11 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know if you can modify the search box to your liking?

Only if you manually change the color specification in the table statement in the form.

I have done this as and sent an email to Google support to review my test page and let me know if this type of customization is acceptable.

They do say on their page https://www.google.com/adsense/ws-overview
Pick our standard Google search box and search results for a quick start. Or, take a few minutes to do some customization.

I'm hoping like many of you we can at least change the background color of the search bar table.


 4:13 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

These ads are technically on Google's own site and seem to be matched using the exact same algorithm as Google's own search (i.e. not thematic). So are the advertisers displayed going to be ALL advertisers or just those who have enabled content matching?


 4:16 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

What'd really be nice is if we were allowed to pre-fill the search box.

whats to stop you?

<INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=25 maxlength=255 value='[b]some crazy search term here[/b]'>
<INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE='Search'>

what would be 10 times better is if they started pushing adwords results with the google api search results, then it could be used for true site integration.


 4:26 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

so does anyone see this new move from google as an open invitation for thousands of webpages to be created solely with the purpose of capturing traffic and displaying websearch results?.....

I'm thinking ultsearch for the masses... more money maybe, but the web's gonna suck now, with results being even less relevant(i.e crappy pages) ....

[edited by: rfung at 4:28 am (utc) on June 18, 2004]


 4:27 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

You could lose your adsense account if you did that.


 4:29 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, what they need for us publishers that use our own Search Engines already is a way to use a special javascript code for our search results.

We are using the standard Google Adsense Code in our search results right now but most times nothing comes up.

They need a code where we can put Search="<%Imput_Words%>" and when we paste it on our search result pages it would be dead one every time.

I'm sure they will look at doing this for us publishers that do not wish to run another search engine but keep our own with Sponsored Results...I hope :)

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