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Your total intake in digits
What does the mean intake from adsense seem to be?
asp4bunnies

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Msg#: 2536 posted 12:06 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm just curious what the mean intake from adsense is. I know we can't discuss specifics (and comparing sites is comparing apples to organges).

But in terms of digits, how many digits a day does your account bring in?

Mine does XX a day on good days. Do some people really make 5-6 digits a month?

 

Macro

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Msg#: 2536 posted 5:16 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

the number has zero informational value

Agreed.

However, you can get some value out of it by comparing it with your own previous figures and your own other activity i.e. changing size of ads, location, colour etc.

If he wants to see how his site on blue widgets is doing compared to another blue widgets site, then the question is valid

except of course that the premise itself is flawed. He can't see the comparison based on the kind of information in this thread. As in the quote below... it has to be seen in context to have any value.

unless people come on here with a 2000-word breakdown of their site and the precise "context" within which their adsense earnings have gone up or down, it is all like so much fluff in the wind

Very true, and I think they know that. I don't believe they honestly expect to learn anything new about improving their own earnings. They only do it out of idle curiousity - but they like dressing that up as something respectable.

wonderboy

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Msg#: 2536 posted 5:36 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think he was referring to these type of threads overall, pictures can be built up by reading many of these threads, not just one on it's own, this thread is worthless in terms of accurate comparisons, but is interesting to see who earns what type of money =) Maybe that is just me.

There is always one that I think is some smalltimer like myself who turns out to be on amazing amounts of money. =p

W.

yump

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Msg#: 2536 posted 5:37 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

We make minus $*** dollars.

Thats plus $*** dollars, minus $**** dollars for the time we spend trying to improve it, only to find that we've misinterpreted data because of unquantifiable causes of variations.

If we never touched it, we'd be plus $*** dollars.

But that would need therapy at $****** dollars, so we'd be down more in the end.

Hope this helps.

esllou

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Msg#: 2536 posted 6:29 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think what *IS* at least more useful is if someone comes here and describes something that they have done on their own site to improve figures.

e.g. "I changed from left sky's to right sky's and my ctr has shown a constant, solid 10% improvement over last month."

but even then, to "statistically isolate" the change is near on impossibile with so many other factors at play....adsense itself being one of them.

Macro

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Msg#: 2536 posted 8:56 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

this thread is worthless in terms of accurate comparisons

As would be a whole bunch of threads exactly like this one.

but is interesting to see who earns what type of money

That big brother type voyeurism, I believe, is the sole cause of these unfortunate threads.

ignatz

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Msg#: 2536 posted 10:18 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

except of course that the premise itself is flawed. He can't see the comparison based on the kind of information in this thread. As in the quote below... it has to be seen in context to have any value.

He can open a PM with people who respond to this "useless thread" if he wants to get some context. Maybe that was his intention. I'm not saying it's particularly effective, but I don't know the full picture.

As usual, the people giving the thread legs are the ones saying it shouldn't be around. A good example being esllou's furiously bulleted list of debunking points, which followed the post where the same user claimed to *KNOW* for a fact the total number of users of webmasterworld, and their earnings. ;)

I know its hard to ignore... Even though I detest Fox "news" I still get sucked in to watching it sometimes, as it's so annoying its almost addictive.

It's an OK timewaster but the number has zero informational value.

Zero eh? I agree it's largely useless without context, but ZERO? Seems like people are pretty confident of their absolute judgements - and that's what baits me.

esllou

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Msg#: 2536 posted 10:56 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

so you realise it IS fluff.

ok, great. now we can move on.....

ignatz

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Msg#: 2536 posted 11:32 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

so you realise it IS fluff.
ok, great. now we can move on.....

Uh... thats not what I said. And I'm also not the one saying the thread should be closed while continuing to post. (although my guess is that a mod will close it soon)

BTW, I'm still interested to know where you got the numbers in your authoritative #of users/earnings post.
You should ask to become a moderator so that you can be empowered and don't have to post messages like this one all the time: [webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: ignatz at 11:36 pm (utc) on May 16, 2004]

esllou

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Msg#: 2536 posted 11:34 pm on May 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

ah, when you become a full member, you will be astounded at the information that will flood your way.

just be patient....

ignatz

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Msg#: 2536 posted 12:10 am on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oh, you're a full member... sorry, I shouldn't have questioned your facts or $89. You have done me a favor and I will subscribe, thank you. With well reasoned posts like Macro's, Webmasterworld is clearly worth it despite your pontificating.

ChrisKud5

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Msg#: 2536 posted 1:44 am on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

"ah, when you become a full member, you will be astounded at the information that will flood your way.
just be patient.... "

That is by far the stupidest statement I have ever seen on here........no, thats one of the stupidest things i have ever seen period. Grow up.

yump

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Msg#: 2536 posted 9:13 am on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

At least these threads are easily recognisable, so when you've been here a while and have got bored, you don't have to look at them, although you can always post and take the....

What about a sticky poll? That could just sit here for years for those who want to see the latest ups and downs reported.

Lets face it, thousands of people who are not active share traders look at their share price changes every day and TV pays presenters pointlessly to feature small share price movements for big companies as if they had major significance.

Isn't it all part of life's rich tapestry?

esllou

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Msg#: 2536 posted 9:23 am on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

yeah it was a silly thing to say. ( I was being ironic by the way) Sorry about that...

:-)

I wouldn't like this thread to get binned as I think it serves a useful purpose. There do seem to be two camps on this forum...those who would like to discuss as much as poss adsense earnings (within bounds of terms and conditions) and others, like myself and many others, who don't see the point.

may we all live in harmony and everybody end up rich and happy! :-)

Macro

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Msg#: 2536 posted 10:29 am on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

everybody end up rich and happy

I like that bit.

When discussing Adsense earnings if we focus on what increases earnings - rather than who made what, in which hour, and how it differed from what they made the hour before - we'll all benefit.

After all, we're in Adsense to make money. Let's concentrate on how we can help each other make more rather than "posting your total intake in digits/marbles/XXXs/centz" :) because threads like these distract from what could have been more useful discussions :)

ronin

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Msg#: 2536 posted 11:15 am on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

People who want to discuss other people's earnings through Adsense and get an idea of where they stand in the scheme of things are generally insecure about how much they are getting.

Either they think they are getting a lot, but don't want to allow themselves to feel good until they hear some evidence that this is the case. Or they think they are not doing very well and they want to hear some evidence that this is the case, before they start feeling really bad. Or, perhaps, they think they are doing about average, but they want to get an idea of the standard deviation.

Either way, those who are happy with their earnings and those who are unhappy with their earnings are both right.

There are some people who, earning $10 per day, would feel delighted to find out that most others were earning $1 a day and disappointed to find out that most others were earning $100 per day.

I hope I don't have to point out that this is a little unhinged. The success of others - or lack of it - does not determine your success. Living up to your standards determines your success.

mquarles

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Msg#: 2536 posted 2:12 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

The mean would be a pretty good guess if we could guess the number of publishers. We know Google is doing roughly $1BN per year in ads, and roughly 15% of that through AdSense, so that's $150MM.

Just divide that by the number of publishers (the number I don't know).

If I were to make a WAG, I'd guess 250,000 publishers, which would get us to $600/year/publisher.

MQ

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 2536 posted 2:27 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mquarles:

I think your revenue figures are a bit understated and the number of publishers is a bit overstated. My guess is as follows:
adsense revenue recognized on first Qtr. 2004 = $82.2MM
Unrecognized fees paid to network members = $262.6MM
Total adsense revenue = $344.8MM

From that we get roughly {assuming some growth} :

Adsense revenue for 2004: $1,600MM
Adsense payout to publishers: $1,218MM {assuming payout remains the same, but it might drop further as regular publishers get in and Google looses some premium partners to competitors}
Take out $400MM going to the big guys and you get $818MM

Now, I think that there will be on average about 100,000 regular publishers during FY04. Take into consideration that there is a lot of sites owned by a single publisher. Using the 100,000 publisher number we get: $8,180 a year per publisher.

Fiver

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Msg#: 2536 posted 3:07 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

After all, we're in Adsense to make money. Let's concentrate on how we can help each other make more rather than "posting your total intake in digits/marbles/XXXs/centz" :) because threads like these distract from what could have been more useful discussions :)

The problem is, you're not going to become a lawyer, and put a good amount of effort into the process, if you're not informed ahead of time that it has the potential to be a profitable career.

Thats why these posts exist. Anybody starting out needs one person whom they trust, or a number of people whom they don't, (but as a group, are consistent, and offer pseudo-trust) to say it's possible to get rich with this work.

I don't understand the lack of understanding. Its basic human psychology. The only reason you wouldn't be interested in the earning potential of a market, is if you are already familiar with it. No?

Next time you switch careers, ask yourself if how much you have the potential of earning may influence your direction. Of course it should, unless you're a romantic idealist.

mquarles

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2536 posted 4:45 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

loanuniverse,

I agree my numbers were pretty much a WAG. But with yours and mine, we might get a range that an average AdSense publisher makes between $1,000 and $10,000 per year. That feels reasonable.

MQ

jmbishop

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Msg#: 2536 posted 4:48 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I started placing adsense banners on my site as a result of threads like this and others discussing the benefits of it.

I had signed up with adsense several months ago but never implemented the code on my pages as I was making some income with the affiliate programs I was running and didn't want to rock the boat.

Adsense reps even phoned me a few times asking if I needed help implementing the code as they knew I had signed up to use their system but hadn't placed the code on my site yet. I told them it just wasn't a high priority and that we would place the code on some inside pages to test the traffic.

Then I started reading some of the posts here and decided to move up our scheduled timeframe for implementing the program and so far we're glad we did. We aren't making ****x.xx or even xxx.xx on most days but we're pretty happy with what we've done so far.

kwasher

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Msg#: 2536 posted 5:10 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I *KNOW*

That's the key. Not everyone knows. And since they make pennies a day and hear rumors that people make 'big' money, THEY want to know too.

Along the lines of 'discussing this is impossible to get anything useful from' (since you don't know the site in questions details)... wouldn't any thread disucussing SE algo fall into the same category since no one knows the actual details of the algo? But each little piece makes a part of the big picture, and every once in a while a 'gem' of knowledge pops out that someone, somewhere, was not aware of.

blaze

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Msg#: 2536 posted 8:27 am on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

The only thing more pointless about this thread is discussing how pointless it is.

Knowing what other people are making is very very important, as the man said - follow the money.

For example, Write down the user-ids of the people who said they make "****x" per day and then bookmark their recent posts.

However, I have done that, and quite often the people tend to be posers who either work for someone who makes "xxxx" a day or simply don't.

Still, I continue.

Freedom

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Msg#: 2536 posted 8:59 am on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow. I can't believe this thread is still alive.

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