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Publishers are being conditioned
Not to click
a1call




msg:1332699
 2:44 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,
I wonder if anybody is feeling the coditioning effect of being an adsense publisher.
Normally you would just freely click away to surf. But as a publisher you are extra careful not to click on adsense ads. This causes (at least me) not to click on adsense ads even when visiting other sites.
With the popularity of google and ever increasing number of publishers this might lead to decreasd CTR overall. It certainly has decreased my liklihood of persuing ads on other sites that I visit.
Just something on my mind.

 

wonderboy




msg:1332700
 2:47 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why not click on adsense ads on other sites? Nothing wrong with that.

W.

a1call




msg:1332701
 3:00 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,
I know there is nothing wrong with that. But once you are conditioned to avoid ads on your site long enough,
this will make you avoid adsense ads in general. Same thing as seeng a picture of a hamburger might make your mouth water. You are conditioned to asociate an image with a reward or punishment.

sonny




msg:1332702
 3:02 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yea, I know what you mean. If I'm interested in something, I tend to copy the url and bypass clicking so as not disrupt any stats. Kind of Pavlovian.

tomkee




msg:1332703
 3:11 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I wouldnt worry about it though. The number of publishers using adsense is very small compared to the total number of internet users.

loanuniverse




msg:1332704
 3:26 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would only worry if my site was targeted to webmasters :), and then only a minority of webmasters are also adsense publishers.

icedowl




msg:1332705
 3:32 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

When I've visited a site that has information that I've really found useful, I have clicked on their AdSense as a "Thank You" gesture.

Not many sites I visit run AdSense, and I'm rarely in the SE's looking for anything. Word of mouth has gotten me to more useful websites than SE's ever have in the 10 plus years I've been online.

I know when I'm on my own site and when I'm not, just like when I'm in my own home and when I'm visiting a neighbor.

nyet




msg:1332706
 3:44 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

When I've visited a site that has information that I've really found useful, I have clicked on their AdSense as a "Thank You" gesture.

Why don't you email them a 'thank you' rather than picking my pocket!

beren




msg:1332707
 4:26 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

When I've visited a site that has information that I've really found useful, I have clicked on their AdSense as a "Thank You" gesture.

Sentiments like this are why I dislike AdSense and encourage advertisers to not run ads on content sites. I collect quotes like this one as evidence when I argue against AdSense.

valeyard




msg:1332708
 4:35 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

When I've visited a site that has information that I've really found useful, I have clicked on their AdSense as a "Thank You" gesture.

Sentiments like this are why I dislike AdSense and encourage advertisers to not run ads on content sites. I collect quotes like this one as evidence when I argue against AdSense.

I like to think only a small minority of people act like that.

Personally I agree with the original post in this thread. I'm so concerned about clicking my own ads that I've trained myself never to click on *any* AdSense ad on *any* site. If the ad interests me I enter the URL manually.

dhatz




msg:1332709
 4:52 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree that "tipping" at another person's expense is not right.

On the other hand, I agree with the previous poster that most people who run Adsense tend to NOT click at ANY ads at all (I can assure you about this from my own experience and I only ran Adsense for a month and I never got worried about whether my CTR is too low or too high etc etc like many people here did).

But if you (nyet, beren) think like this, as I said in the past, what will you do when Google becomes a public company? Would you assume that every shareholder would click on your ads to increase G's revenues and value of his shares? You know, the "expensive SERP clicks"-type not the "discounted content-site clicks"

Surely the rationale of clickers is the same and the # of shareholders would be millions, rather than a few 10.000s of the Adsense publishers population.

jomaxx




msg:1332710
 5:05 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I will click on AdSense ads, but I definitely think twice now and don't do it frivolously.

But I'm certain this change in behavious would have a microscopic effect on overall CTR, unless maybe if you were running the ads on a page specifically targeted to AdSense publishers.

nyet




msg:1332711
 5:10 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

But if you (nyet, beren) think like this, as I said in the past, what will you do when Google becomes a public company? Would you assume that every shareholder would click on your ads to increase G's revenues and value of his shares? You know, the "expensive SERP clicks"-type not the "discounted content-site clicks"

I am not too worried about it, but if I were to read a post of such a 'clicker' in a public forum, I'd probably have the same response......

icedowl




msg:1332712
 6:43 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

When I've visited a site that has information that I've really found useful, I have clicked on their AdSense as a "Thank You" gesture.

Let me further clarify that statement as I do not feel that I'm picking anybody's pocket.

I don't click if none of the ads running interest me. It does have to be something that I'm very, very interested in. The site that led me to that ad certainly should get the click for helping me find it.

clearvision




msg:1332713
 7:17 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

My Bottom line I am sorry to say is I am conditioned not to click on adsense ads. That is not to say I don't want to click in other sites, it is more like my internal voice makes me stop and turn away looking for something else to click. I probably don't click on some I would like to....subconciously that is :)

Stevo_UK




msg:1332714
 7:35 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)


After reading about the number of people that have had their accounts disabled for fraudulent clicks it has me pretty much spooked. I'm now at the stage that I'm scared to do anything that might even come close to getting my account disabled.

I know I should have more faith in Google's routines to detect fraudulent clicks and that me clicking on ads that interest me on other sites probably won't have any adverse effect but try telling my brain that :)

Must not click on Google's AdSense ads!
Must not click on Google's AdSense ads!
Must not click on Google's AdSense ads!

Dpeper




msg:1332715
 7:55 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Surely the rationale of clickers is the same and the # of shareholders would be millions

Thats an intresting thought share holders clicking ads to increase revenues...

Teknorat




msg:1332716
 6:08 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I click away. If I'm looking at a site and an ad catches my eye of course I click it. I don't feel compelled not to just because I don't click those on my sites. However if I see one of my own ads I avoid it like the plague.

(If I'm in a really bad mood I click on a competitors ad.)

aravindgp




msg:1332717
 9:48 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I surely click if I think I am interested in the ad, that ad is appearing for a reason, google evolved a system for Profit, advertiser has to pay for being there , if in the process google and the publisher make money it's great.

But let's not make advertiser artificially happy by entering his URL manually, I would rather click an add if it interests me.That's the purpose of the adsense system, if I am clear I am never going to be interested in the product displayed then I should not be clicking on the ad Period.

It's the advertiser's site that needs to convert for him to run business,it's not my business to increase his convertions,by reducing his payout(by not clicking on Ads).If it's not viable for him to run adsense it's he who needs to take a call.

Lastly, Adsense is Here Stay! , let's not live in Fear of adsense being turned off completely.

expert_21




msg:1332718
 11:07 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

my mentality has been "not to click any ads" for a while now since I run adsense :(

nyet




msg:1332719
 11:24 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

But let's not make advertiser artificially happy by entering his URL manually

or unhappy because you are clicking ads as a 'thank you' (i.e. let the publisher get a little monetary reward).

remember who is paying for all this.

Every click which does not convert hurts the adsense program a little bit.

'Smart' pricing is here to protect advertisers from 'dumb' clicks!

aravindgp




msg:1332720
 12:43 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

'Smart' pricing is here to protect advertisers from 'dumb' clicks!

I am all for Smart Pricing.

But I am against typing url Manually,if I am interested in it I think it's in the best interest of adsense to click on ad , it doesn't mean it is a Thank you Click.It means I am interested in it period, if I am not interested in it I wouldn't click.

Every click which does not convert hurts the adsense program a little bit.

Every click which does not convert hurts all the PPC Systems,it's not only applicable to Adsense.

If people are not interested in buying your product if they come from adsense traffic, then you are not appearing in right locations for which u need to fine tune ur ads not say adsense is not working.
Sine,we all know ads appearing in relevant sites convert well.This is a proven fact,whether you ad is appearing in relevant site is the question you need to see as advertiser.

nyet




msg:1332721
 12:51 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

doesn't mean it is a Thank you Click.It means I am interested in it period, if I am not interested in it I wouldn't click.

I was taking a 'jab' at post #7 (I should have re-quoted it, sorry)

Every click which does not convert hurts all the PPC Systems,it's not only applicable to Adsense.

I agree.

Sine,we all know ads appearing in relevant sites convert well. This is a proven fact....

oh.

Brett_Tabke




msg:1332722
 2:43 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

always click those ads - make sure they are working. Don't every let anyone dictate to you how to use your own site.

loanuniverse




msg:1332723
 2:46 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

always click those ads - make sure they are working. Don't every let anyone dictate to you how to use your own site.
As long as you understand that Google would also feel within its right to kick you out of the program, and that it might actually do that.

Then by all means, click away, click away, just don't complain when they kick you out.

europeforvisitors




msg:1332724
 2:55 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

always click those ads - make sure they are working. Don't every let anyone dictate to you how to use your own site.

Brett, you've said this before. Are you trying to be funny, or do you genuinely believe that it's okay for publishers to defraud advertisers?

According to your logic, it would be legitimate for the owner of a convenience store to steal money from the bank ATM or lottery machine on the premises because it's his or her store.

There are some pretty clueless people on these boards, and suggesting that they cheat advertisers is less than helpful. Are you trying to sabotage AdSense, clueless newbies, or both? (I don't think Google will regard "Brett told me to do it!" as a legitimate defense when deciding whether to boot an AdSense publisher who's clicked on his own ads.)

trillianjedi




msg:1332725
 3:00 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

always click those ads - make sure they are working. Don't every let anyone dictate to you how to use your own site.

With respect Brett, it's very easy for you to say that, but not everyone is in the position of being able to dictate terms to the larger corporates.

If absolutely every AdSense publisher took the same attitude, then it would work just fine. Unfortunately, that's not going to be the case.

For the smaller AdSense site owner, clicking your own ads, unless you know exactly what you're doing, will end in tears (and yet another 40 page thread on here titled "I've been kicked off and did nothing wrong").

TJ

<edit>What EFV just beat me to saying...</edit>

[edited by: trillianjedi at 3:03 pm (utc) on May 11, 2004]

loanuniverse




msg:1332726
 3:03 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

EFV:

I think is called asserting your independence. As in making sure that people understand that this forum is not an extension of Google, Inc. Unfortunately, there will be one or two people that will do as he recommends and will put their account in jeopardy.

nyet




msg:1332727
 3:10 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

surprising to see the administrator post something so un-helpful.

novice




msg:1332728
 3:16 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Brett loves to dangle out a hook and see who bites. Although he could be right with this one.

Shouldn't anybody who works for 7-11 help themselves to a pop or beer whenever they want. What better way to see if the cooler is working :)

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