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loanuniverse




msg:1344278
 12:59 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

You have to like how Google operates. They rolled Adsense out before they had all of the necessary back office support established. I mean look at the way that they setup your account. Instead of taking a look at the way another ad network such as how Fastclick does it {with contact information and payment information segregated}. They decided to set accounts based on just one set of information.

This has resulted in a lot of people getting checks payable to {n/a}, {none} or {individual}. Of course the reason is to get around the need to report payments for services performed for a trade or business by people not treated as its employees. However, I have to say that this is not going to fly with the IRS and Google is going to get into trouble if they donít fix it soon.

Now the reason why I said that you got to like how Google operates is that you can just tell that the Geeks are in charge. And lets face it, if you are a webmaster whether professional or as a hobby, you got to be a little geeky. Unless you are an adult webmaster, then you are a different breed. Nobody can deny that the Adsense product is revolutionary and that the technology is at least one-year and twenty million dollars in investing ahead of anyone else, but they spent the time and energy building the engine and forgot about the exterior.

How difficult could it have been to set up a database with all the entries and point new accounts to a download page with a W9 and say something like You wonít get paid until we get it signed and back from you Then when it gets back you can remove a flag from the database indicating is ok to send the check. Trust me compliance will be close to 100%.

 

Visit Thailand




msg:1344279
 1:21 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Forgive me but what is a W9?

rcjordan




msg:1344280
 1:34 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

>w9

US tax ID form [216.239.37.104]

europeforvisitors




msg:1344281
 2:44 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

This has resulted in a lot of people getting checks payable to {n/a}, {none} or {individual}. Of course the reason is to get around the need to report payments for services performed for a trade or business by people not treated as its employees. However, I have to say that this is not going to fly with the IRS and Google is going to get into trouble if they donít fix it soon.

Google isn't trying to "get around" anything. (1) Google doesn't have to report payments to publishers who earn less than $600 a year. (2) Google wasn't required to collect taxpayer ID numbers before cutting its first round of checks. (I should mention that I've been working independently since 1986, and companies vary enormously in when and how they collect taxpayer ID numbers from vendors or contractors.)

I think you can be quite certain that Google will collect taxpayer IDs where required. Google already has a system in place for the Google Answers program--in fact, some of us got requests for taxpayer IDs from Google Answers by mistake--so it shouldn't take too long for the system to be ported over to AdSense.

Visit Thailand




msg:1344282
 2:52 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Out of curiosity we are not in the US and are not a US company will they ask us for tax ID's and such when we make over US$ 600?

irock




msg:1344283
 3:02 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Good question. I would like to know too.

valortrade




msg:1344284
 3:17 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Probably you guys need fill W-8 form instead of W-9.

Check IRS website for details, if you want.

europeforvisitors




msg:1344285
 3:27 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'd wait until Google gives instructions. (Google is a multinational company and obviously has paid money to non-U.S. individuals and companies in the past, so instructions should be available in due course.)

Visit Thailand




msg:1344286
 4:12 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Agreed EFV and am sure Google has a team of very expensive lawyers advising them on everything so am not in the least concerned about this.

Don't really want to pay tax to the US mind you!

jbgilbert




msg:1344287
 4:15 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think they can do what they ded and that we (adsense users) will just get 1099ed at year end... Am I way off base thinking this?

loanuniverse




msg:1344288
 11:20 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google isn't trying to "get around" anything. (1) Google doesn't have to report payments to publishers who earn less than $600 a year. (2) Google wasn't required to collect taxpayer ID numbers before cutting its first round of checks. (I should mention that I've been working independently since 1986, and companies vary enormously in when and how they collect taxpayer ID numbers from vendors or contractors.)

Hmmm, so the reason why you can't open an account without a company name is more of a programming shortcoming than some way to get around this, and the fact that some people already got paid over $600 does not factor into it. Personally, I think collecting the numbers before sending out the first check is the best practice. I also think that they will eventually collect them, but I am still convinced that the reason for the required company field was to get around the collecting/reporting requirement IMHO.

nakulgoyal




msg:1344289
 9:55 pm on Aug 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Great. This seems nice. Google seems to be a very well Payer. Good. They will indeed get a lot of refferals who read these......

We might expect Google on every website and one day Google has the maximum link popularity :-)

Maybe their PR rises from 10/10 to 100/100

:-)

europeforvisitors




msg:1344290
 10:15 pm on Aug 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmmm, so the reason why you can't open an account without a company name is more of a programming shortcoming than some way to get around this...

You don't need a company name. You can simply use your own name in that field if you aren't doing business under a company name.

eaden




msg:1344291
 5:15 am on Aug 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

You don't need a company name. You can simply use your own name in that field if you aren't doing business under a company name.

Or open up a sole-trader bank account : "n/a consulting" ;)

loanuniverse




msg:1344292
 9:30 pm on Aug 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

You don't need a company name. You can simply use your own name in that field if you aren't doing business under a company name.

Well, I guess that is a way around it. But if this is not considered a programming shortcoming then it most at least be considered lack of documentation. Assuming that Google envisioned this to be the way it should work.

I can't help being a skeptic, so IMHO, they did it to avoid having to report.

europeforvisitors




msg:1344293
 11:05 pm on Aug 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can't help being a skeptic, so IMHO, they did it to avoid having to report.

They still have to report individual earnings over $600.

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