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Hope Somebody from Google's Adsense Team to be This Board's Moderator
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valortrade




msg:1404542
 10:47 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

It looks this board's moderator position is still open. I hope somebody from Google's Adsense Team (maybe from Adsense Support) could fill this position.

Benefits:

1) Keep real-time & effective FAQ sessions - Save Adsense Support's workload;

2) Avoid wrong directions/discussions of some threads - The more posts, the more crabs/garbages.

 

Imaster




msg:1404543
 10:52 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Your are right! Perhaps Googleguy could fill in this position & help us with our queries :)

chiyo




msg:1404544
 2:14 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I really doubt that googleguy or someone from Adsense will post on this forum, apart from in the most general form. Can you imagine the carnage? Direct appeals to Adsense Guy asking why a site has been dropped, black sarcasm from the classroom, discussions of whether what AdsenseGuy says is "official" and threats to sue Google if you did something he suggested and you lose, spam reports of competing sites, panicked pathetic public appeals, mass requests for info that any ad network would not provide due to competitive and fraud detection methods, and finally AdsenseGuys statements that the system will change in "less than months, more than weeks". ;)

Im convinced google wants to keep Adsense on a one-to-one basis and occassional mail outs to all particpants. That is also supported by it's TOS which discourages public discussion on any stats provided by them to publishers.

I think all we can really assume is that Adsense and google reps, PLUS competing ad networks and affiliate reps are reading these threads VERY closely, but are far less likely to come out of lurking mode!

SlowMove




msg:1404545
 2:21 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Your are right! Perhaps Googleguy could fill in this position & help us with our queries :)

I'm still waiting on GoogleGuy to give us advance notice on updates.

Visi




msg:1404546
 2:21 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Direct appeals to Adsense Guy asking why a site has been dropped, black sarcasm from the classroom, discussions of whether what AdsenseGuy says .....

But imagine how much fun we would have.....:)

pmac




msg:1404547
 2:49 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

> I hope somebody from Google's Adsense Team (maybe from Adsense Support) could fill this position. <

I sure hope not.

valortrade




msg:1404548
 4:05 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I really doubt that googleguy or someone from Adsense will post on this forum, apart from in the most general form. Can you imagine the carnage? Direct appeals to Adsense Guy asking why a site has been dropped, black sarcasm from the classroom, discussions of whether what AdsenseGuy says is "official" and threats to sue Google if you did something he suggested and you lose, spam reports of competing sites, panicked pathetic public appeals, mass requests for info that any ad network would not provide due to competitive and fraud detection methods, and finally AdsenseGuys statements that the system will change in "less than months, more than weeks". ;)
Im convinced google wants to keep Adsense on a one-to-one basis and occassional mail outs to all particpants. That is also supported by it's TOS which discourages public discussion on any stats provided by them to publishers.

I don't think GoogleGuy's focus is on Adsense program and therefore the ideal person would be from Adsense Support group because currently they are responsible for replying questions/issues. I think this board should be a good channel to reach many webmasters/publishers and this would definitely save them lots of time.

I do not think that the "carnage" would happen because they could clearly regulate what could be discussed/what not, just like TOS but further supplement it. BY THE WAY, THIS WOULD BE "OFFICIAL" VOICE!

The problem I am currently seeing is that more and more "particular" topics are being filled this forum and even more there are lots of wrong guides here which would result in more confusions and misunderstandings.

I am seeing more and more negative stuffs here and I am reducing the time spent on this board. Hope we would be doing well and Adsense program could become stronger!

Visit Thailand




msg:1404549
 4:10 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Have to agree with Chiyo on this - tempers can very easily flare when money is involved and as most of the negativity is related to sites being disabled I do not see how an official voice would help.

With Adsense I have been very impressed by the speed by which queries have been answered by Google Staff. Within 24 hours so I have no problems with that.

valortrade




msg:1404550
 4:35 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

With Adsense I have been very impressed by the speed by which queries have been answered by Google Staff. Within 24 hours so I have no problems with that.

Most "easily replied queries" should NOT become an inquiry if you had spent time to read the TOS or other related documents carefully.

Hawkgirl




msg:1404551
 4:39 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not to mention the bias inherent in having a commercial entity moderate their own forum. No way!

Visit Thailand




msg:1404552
 4:40 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Actually I have read every thread in this Adsense forum, all the faq and other pages on Google but I still had a question, and was impressed with the speed of replies.

valortrade




msg:1404553
 5:45 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am just curious but from people using Adsense what sort of daily revenue are you getting from it. Are you in single, double, triple or even quadruple figures daily?

When I saw this, I just could not help laughing. Was it a meanful question? Did it follow Adsense's TOS?

valortrade




msg:1404554
 5:49 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not to mention the bias inherent in having a commercial entity moderate their own forum. No way!

We are discussing Adsense, not MySql, php, cgi. It is commercial program! You have to follow Google's rule/TOS. In the end, it would count on Google's words, not you, not me.

Save everybody's time! Focus on developing content/site, not discussing "multiple sets of ads" or "strategies to upp CTR"!

Visit Thailand




msg:1404555
 5:50 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

valortrade you seem very aggresive. I have a question I ask it.

chiyo




msg:1404556
 6:03 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

A moderator;s role is one of facilitator. They should not so much be an expert, and definately not the main commercial stakeholder in the subject matter. The best moderators are as "invisible" as possible, and must be perceived as fair and unbiased, apart from enforcing community rules, at first gently! They are much like conductors in the orchestra.

The moderator's role in meetings, management consulting/training, focus groups, and even online discussion groups is to facilitate useful discussion, focus it, ensure eveybody gets a say, enourage lurkers to post, quieten down the more vocal particpants or those on a mission, or those using a discussion to further their own aims other than the charter. Providing "content" in this situation, is far less important. The participants should be providing this.

valortrade




msg:1404557
 6:30 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

The moderator's role in meetings, management consulting/training, focus groups, and even online discussion groups is to facilitate useful discussion, focus it, ensure eveybody gets a say, enourage lurkers to post, quieten down the more vocal particpants or those on a mission, or those using a discussion to further their own aims other than the charter. Providing "content" in this situation, is far less important. The participants should be providing this.

Most time, a moderator is the team leader/project leader, you need familiar with what to be discussed, you need control the wheel and keep things on track, not lead the team/project off the road, try to avoid the wrong direction to waste the time/resource/budget.

Adsense is not a open talking topic. There are rules/TOS there and more to come!

chiyo




msg:1404558
 6:38 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Most time, a moderator is the team leader/project leader, you need familiar with what to be discussed, you need control the wheel and keep things on track, not lead the team/project off the road, try to avoid the wrong direction to waste the time/resource/budget.<<

No the roles of leader/project manager and moderator are completely different.

And we are NOT part of the google team to be "led" by our ad network or where we all "report" to a project manager.

And google would see little value in putting their time into public discussions when ad networds and the such are more effectively run by one-to-one discussions and general announcements, albeit with good customer feedback.

One key problem is that with thousands of sites running adsense, many at low profit margins for google, Google cant afford to release staff resources to help every low margin player. Business reality unfortunately,

valortrade




msg:1404559
 6:48 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

No the roles or leader/project manager and moderator are completely different.

And we are NOT part of the google team to be "led" by our ad network or where we all "report" to a project manager.

I have 2-year experience of project lead and I know what is my role!

As a member of Adsense program, I regard myself and my site as "part" of Google's Adsense project. Google could hire (approve) you and also could fire (delist) you.

Adsense is not Adwords. As Adwords advertiser, you need time, discussion, suggestion, idea, and experience to design your "package". For Adsense, you simply make your format choice and copy/paste the codes. THAT IS IT! The Adsense would run by itself! Otherwise, you are trying to manipulate it! You need focus on content/site development, not cooking Adsense-targeted website!

chiyo




msg:1404560
 7:02 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I have 2-year experience of project lead and I know what is my role! <<

But with all respect it sounds like you dont have any experience as a moderator and dont know the role, seeing it analogous to your project manager role.

To me one of the strengths of the Adsense program is its simplicity. It allows Adsense to include small publishers and keeps admin expenses down, and provides info on a very limited "need-to-know" basis from Google to you. Now you may get frustrated that the info provided does not allow you the data you want to "optimise" your page, but I think google thinks that may be a good thing, and i tend to agree.

Sure i would love more stats, and would love more precise specifics, but i can see it turning into a SEO playground if they do, which is not in the interest of anyone.

It seems that to be successful with Adsense you will have to lose your "need for control". Its just one of those things where you have little control of and should learn to work within it, accepting and building on the advantages and disadvantages of it.

cornwall




msg:1404561
 7:07 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>And we are NOT part of the google team to be "led" by our ad network or where we all "report" to a project manager.

And google would see little value in putting their time into public discussions when ad networds and the such are more effectively run by one-to-one discussions and general announcements, albeit with good customer feedback. <<

I agree. Put simply we do not need an employee as moderator on this board. It would not help either us, or Google

Right now the board does not have a moderator, and IMO works very well that way

valortrade




msg:1404562
 7:13 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

But with all respect it sounds like you dont have any experience as a moderator and dont know the role, seeing it analogous to your project manager role.

Don't keep me laughing! I need go to sleep after this post.

Now you may get frustrated that the info provided does not allow you the data you want to "optimise" your page, but I think google thinks that may be a good thing, and i tend to agree.

Who need more data to "cook" site? Who discuss the "strategy to up CTR"? Not me! I am pretty comfortable to the Adsense and I am awaiting for the first Google check.

chiyo




msg:1404563
 7:22 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

good night valortrade, and sweet dreams!

Imaster




msg:1404564
 9:12 pm on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Who need more data to "cook" site? Who discuss the "strategy to up CTR"? Not me! I am pretty comfortable to the Adsense and I am awaiting for the first Google check.

We love discussing things such as these and if you don't want to discuss, then thats fine too. As a professional webmaster, one needs to discuss and formulate new strategies to improve the performance of anything he is involved with. Since discussing here at WW helps us learn new things and thus we can implement them from our side, we discuss things here.

It seems that you are the most mature of the lot and you know all. Hats off to you ;)

europeforvisitors




msg:1404565
 9:29 pm on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

It seems that to be successful with Adsense you will have to lose your "need for control". Its just one of those things where you have little control of and should learn to work within it, accepting and building on the advantages and disadvantages of it.

Exactly. Instead of thinking like an SEO, an affiliate, or an e-commerce merchant, a publisher needs to think like a publisher:

Publisher = responsible for the editorial product

Ad network = responsible for advertising

The whole point of using an ad network is to outsource the business of selling and serving ads, so that you can make money while you focus on your site's editorial mission.

cornwall




msg:1404566
 10:31 pm on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Publisher = responsible for the editorial product

It goes a little further than that. The publisher can control where the ads go on the page, and which size (ie which of the two formats)

To that extent the publisher has some control over the readership (CTR) of the ads.

The publisher has also control over the content of the page, which in turn dictates which ads Google sends to that page, and how much the publisher will be paid in the event of a click

IMO the publisher does not just concentrate on the editorial and leave it at that.

europeforvisitors




msg:1404567
 11:48 pm on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Editorial product" doesn't just mean text. It means the whole editorial package, including:

- how the pages are laid out

- what's on each page.

So it would appear that we agree, at least on those two points. :-)

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