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invalid clicks e-mail with no code on site?
blairsp




msg:1331054
 6:20 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Please read the whole story before jumping on the "your guilty-accept it bandwagon"

one of my work colleagues got the invalid clicks disabling your account e-mail. However, the strange thing is that the code isn't on his site and hasn't been for about 6 weeks. Approx 6 weeks ago he got the invalid clicks warning e-mail. His reaction was to take the code off the site completely. In part due to the e-mail, but also he wasn't exactly getting rich from it. If he was defrauding advertisers he was doing it at the rate of 18cents per month!.

Obviously if he is banned he is banned for life so he can't add it on to any other site he may develop and that is why he wants to remain in good standing.

He wrote back, got the usual canned response. Again he wrote back and stated that it seemed strange as the code shouldn't be generating impressions never mind clicks. Can they advise what domain was cauing this. Again the pointless response of can't reveal how our monitoring software works blah blah blah. He of course never asked how their monitoring software works.

Just how does he get in contact with someone who can look at things sensibly rather than hiding behind the usual canned responses.

 

david_uk




msg:1331055
 6:33 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think you can only get in touch by email, but if he puts something like FAO senior person or ATTN manager it usually gets to a senior grade in my experience.

WolfLover




msg:1331056
 6:47 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Please read the whole story before jumping on the "your guilty-accept it bandwagon"

Personally, I don't judge others that I do not know but from the sounds of it, I do not see how your friend could have done anything wrong if he was making only 18 cents a month.

What worries me is this: It seems to me that anyone could hijack your account simply by the "view source" of your pages. When you 'view source' on a page with your Adsense ads on it, it shows your publishers id number, etc. Now, someone else would not really be making money through your account but if they wanted to get you banned for any number of malicious reasons, all they would have to do is copy your code into some spammy type sites, click on it many times and get you banned.

This is what it sounds like may have happened to your friend or at least it's a possibility anyway. If your friend removed all the AdSense code from his site, yet his site was still getting impressions and clicks, then either someone hijacked his AdSense code or people are viewing a cached version of his website from before he removed the ads.

Hobbs




msg:1331057
 8:16 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Could be due to lack of earnings
Could be a click attack on cached pages
Your firend is not making money from the program, so no great loss there anyway.

lammert




msg:1331058
 10:01 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Jumping to this thread [webmasterworld.com] message #5, I assume you have some accounts left for your friend to participate again :)

crick




msg:1331059
 10:16 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Originally posted by Hobbs
"Could be due to lack of earnings
Could be a click attack on cached pages
Your firend is not making money from the program, so no great loss there anyway".

Please lets not be so ruthless. Just because someone is not earning a great deal does not mean he has no right to be in the program.

jchampliaud




msg:1331060
 10:27 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just because someone is not earning a great deal does not mean he has no right to be in the program.

Yes and no. Yes, from a publisher's point of view low earnings shouldn't be the only criteria for acceptance. But from Google's point of view all accounts have an operating cost and maybe the account in question just wasn't making anything for Google, so they dropped it. As I understand it 'invalid clicks' is used generically and there could be some other reason.

blairsp




msg:1331061
 11:06 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Jumping to this thread message #5, I assume you have some accounts left for your friend to participate again :)
Unfortunately he is one of these painfully honest types. In a perverse sort of way I find it quite funny - one of these annoyingly upright people. Other posters are right he isn't making money and is one of those genuine cases where it is his sense of injustice that is hurting more than anything. Probably just have to "bite the bullet on it" I suppose. I think that if he coudl talk to a real person and not an automated response he might actually get somewhere. I'll keep you all posted.
Hobbs




msg:1331062
 11:07 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

crick,
I was saying he did not loose much because he was not making much, simple but not ruthless.

One more thing, where did you hear of this "right to be in the program"? And even if there is one, it's up to Google to uphold not me.

Just clarifying an obvious misunderstanding.

Xartan




msg:1331063
 8:55 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Has he logged into his adsense account to verify if there are still clicks and impressions being generated?

jomaxx




msg:1331064
 9:30 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Unfortunately he is one of these painfully honest types. In a perverse sort of way I find it quite funny...

Yes it's hilarious that such people exist. Even better is that since you work together, maybe Google connected your colleague to one of YOUR accounts and that's why he got banned.

blairsp




msg:1331065
 1:08 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Has he logged into his adsense account to verify if there are still clicks and impressions being generated?
wouldn't have thought he could
blairsp




msg:1331066
 1:12 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes it's hilarious that such people exist. Even better is that since you work together, maybe Google connected your colleague to one of YOUR accounts and that's why he got banned.

What are you suggesting - that the google gods now know where I work despite the fact that I have never used a work computer to access even the google search engine - no personal use of work computers you see? No doubt they know because they are great and of course that microchip that they stored in my head the night I "lost" thre hours on the way home. Also, I suppose I better stop frequenting this board just in case all of you get banned as well for being "associated accounts". I just wonder what G's definition of that is?

ncw164x




msg:1331067
 1:53 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

your "friend" needs to offer the sites log file information to the adsense team, don't expect google to give your "friend" the reason why

giving google a log file containing the IP numbers, dates, time etc will give them the opportunity to cross reference with the info they have and if the code was not on the site then he has nothing to worry about, but seeing as the amount he was earning was such a small amount I don't think anyone from the adsense teams will spend any time on it, not meaning to put your "friend" down just saying it the way it is

Xartan




msg:1331068
 5:41 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Has he logged into his adsense account to verify if there are still clicks and impressions being generated?

wouldn't have thought he could

True, but it would have been interesting to know if there were impressions still being generated during those 6 weeks. Then there might be a more definitive indication that "invalid clicks" has yet another definition. I suspect that the low earnings along with a long period of inactivity prompted the account closure. On the other hand, I waited about a year after I signed up for adsense before I started using it and my account was still good...

blairsp




msg:1331069
 9:48 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

perhaps I am missing something but if he doesn't have the code on his account how could impressions be getting generated? Surely if they were it had nothing to do with him therefore how could he (or his site) be generating invalid clicks?. BTW to some of the other posters "friend" doesn't need the ". It isn't me.

Xartan




msg:1331070
 11:34 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

perhaps I am missing something but if he doesn't have the code on his account how could impressions be getting generated?

From an archive site, from someone's old cache, from stolen content... who knows? That's why I wondered if he had visited his account after he removed AdSense.

Maybe he got enough money in the month of May to exceed $100 and they're now reviewing the account and found invalid clicks. The timing would be about right.

Iguana




msg:1331071
 11:55 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sometimes WebmasterWorld is just a unfriendly place to be. Blairsp has been a member for a long time, look at the number of posts compared to the time since he joined. He is not a 'just joined'.

His question is serious. The 'detective work' on his different email addresses for Adsense is rubbish - anyone in SEO or even someone who has changed their Account Payee will have a few disabled email addresses.

Yes, I also have a friend in the office where I work who has just started Adsense. I have warned him about clicking on his own Ads. He seems to have understood my warning.

Most "I've been banned threads" get deleted these days before you get a chance to post (I know, I just wrote a reply but the thread had gone before I clicked submit). Please treat this thread with respect.

jomaxx




msg:1331072
 3:55 pm on Jun 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

No, the 'detective work' was correct. blairsp wasn't talking about old email addresses, he was clearly saying he has multiple AdSense accounts -- some banned and some still live.

toomer




msg:1331073
 4:58 pm on Jun 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Given your previous quote in the other thread ...

I get that as well when I try to log in using one of my multiple addys and I forget which one has been disabled and which ones haven't

I'm guessing that your friend made the mistake of logging in to his AdSense account once from your house, or did something that gave Google some other means of connecting him to one of your (apparently, many) banned accounts that you use. After all, if you admit you can't even keep those straight - how can you be so sure of exactly every single place you have logged in to check your AdSense?

blairsp




msg:1331074
 1:50 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Update. he just got an e-mail from the adsense team that his appeal was unsuccesful. Clearly invalid clicks can appear from a publishers account without the code appearing on a website. Thanks to all those with helpful suggestions. To those who were looking to blame me or assume he was a crook , well.....

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