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redstorm




msg:1440273
 4:40 am on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

whenver i visit a website with adsense, i would give a click to the adverting firstly: because i think the webmaster provides some useful information to me, i should give him something in return. What's your choice in such occasion? :)

 

Jon_King




msg:1440274
 1:20 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's not support that's stealing from the advertiser. Your argument amounts to idealism without the sentry of logic.

SincerelySandy




msg:1440275
 2:17 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

idealism without the sentry of logic.

Very well said, couldn't agree more.

bose




msg:1440276
 2:45 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Whereas your intention seems to be holistic, the execution thereof is not.

The money that you are so sending (in the form of an Adsense click) to that webmaster is not coming from thin air -it is coming out of some advertiser's hard-earned Ad budget.

If you feel so inclined to reward a webmaster, why not dig into your own pocket and send him a donation? If nothing else, provide him a link from your site and send him some quality traffic if you think his site deserves it.

For heaven's sake, please, don't punish advertisers like that -no matter how charitable your intent may be.

cornwall




msg:1440277
 3:12 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

because i think the webmaster provides some useful information to me, i should give him something in return.

If that is indeed your position, they you could join, for example, WebmasterWorld to give something in return.

Any reason why you consider a webmaster supplying AdSense ads is doing more for you that you feel it necessary to reward them and not WebmasterWorld?

jomaxx




msg:1440278
 3:43 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Way to go, redstorm. Give the webmaster an invalid click, drive down his conversion ratio, give his advertisers one more reason to filter him or stop using AdSense altogether, then give the whole program a black eye by making a post like this.

malachite




msg:1440279
 6:10 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

whenver i visit a website with adsense, i would give a click to the adverting

No way! I'd never click just for the hell of it. There was a similar discussion here [webmasterworld.com] where someone suggested "leaving a tip".

To do so is plain wrong. Advertisers are charged for nothing, webmaster's visitors don't convert, webmaster gets smartpriced etc. Ultimately, nobody benefits from this course of action.

yummybanas




msg:1440280
 6:14 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I NEVER CLICK ON AN ADSENSE AD. Unless I'm truly interested in it. That's my motto.

Hobbs




msg:1440281
 6:17 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't think my hand mussels are capable of clicking on an ad anywhere anymore, we publishers are scared clickless!

Try taking your suggestion to the Adwords forum and see what they think.

Dave_B




msg:1440282
 6:18 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

The person you are trying to help is only being hurt by such actions. Because the advertiser is not seeing a good ROI this drives the cost per click down and the webmaster now makes less.

Please do not do me any favors like this.

hal12b




msg:1440283
 6:49 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you want to tip a webmaster, mail him money or send it by PayPal, not at the cost of advertisers.

Smashing Young Man




msg:1440284
 7:28 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

As someone who runs several Adwords campaigns, all I can say is this: Please don't, unless my ad truely appeals to you.

Sleights




msg:1440285
 7:59 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Redstorm, in addition to introducing your fellow publishers to the penury of smartpricing, you also run the risk of being associated with a fraudulent click-ring. If you're in the habit of clicking ads for no good reason, then presumably your IP address will be associated with hundreds, maybe thousands, of worthless clicks on Google's ad servers. That same IP address will be linked to your own AdSense account, which could then be in jeopardy. It seems a dangerous and reckless game to play.

icedowl




msg:1440286
 8:15 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

If nothing else, provide him a link from your site and send him some quality traffic if you think his site deserves it.

I like that idea, providing his site somehow is relative to yours.

petra




msg:1440287
 8:34 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

redstorm,

Its because of people like yourself that big advertisers are opting out of the content network, please don't do us any favours mate!

toomer




msg:1440288
 11:10 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

LOL

So let's say Joe runs a website I like...
...and I stop by Joe's house to tell him how much I appreciate his work.

While I'm there talking with Joe, I see Tom walking down the sidewalk.

I run out to the sidewalk, accost Tom, and take $0.50 out of his pocket.

I then return to Joe, hand him the $0.50, and say "This is my way of showing you my support for your website."

friendabc




msg:1440289
 3:21 am on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you want to tip a webmaster, mail him money or send it by PayPal, not at the cost of advertisers.

I really like this statement. Be a honest webmaster. :)

Ganceann




msg:1440290
 3:52 am on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Intentions may be good in principal - but not thought out at all. There is always the knock on affect and the integrity of the adsense network. Without integrity in the adsense network the advertisers using adwords have less confidence in the system and subsequently invest less in the programme and who will that affect?

Yep, you guessed it all other adsense publishers including yourself.

Google could however encourage adsense publisher support of fellow adsense publishers without the need for generating clickfraud. They could of course launch a new aspect to Adsense... hmm lemme think of a name for it...

* Edit - just saw the What features you would want so added the below to the other thread after writing it for this on *

GAPS - Google Adsense Publisher Support -

Description:
Are you an adsense publisher and discovered another website that offered interesting content to you that was displaying ads by google and you felt like clicking on the advert to support the webmaster?
(Obviously you do not click because it would be clickfraud by means of wellwishing without interest in the target website itself).
Simply use our GAPS feature in your adsense publisher account and insert the url of the page you found to be of interest. Enter the amount of donation that you would like to transfer to this webmaster and we will do the rest.

The donation amount will be subtracted from your next cleared payment before it is mailed to you and you will receive an email to confirm this has been done.

Smashing Young Man




msg:1440291
 4:27 am on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Toomer, that was a perfect analogy. *thumbs up*

jurii




msg:1440292
 8:56 pm on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Redstorm, is there a reason that there are no ads on your site mentioned in your profile or have you just been banned because of this post? Sorry for getting cynical.

Scurramunga




msg:1440293
 9:25 pm on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would hazard a guess in saying that this post has been written soley with the intention of stirring the pot.

xtreem




msg:1440294
 11:15 pm on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually I wouldnt say its that close to stealing, you are going to the advertised website anyway. There is a slim chance you may actaully buy something on the site, or see the brand and become more 'brand aware', or recommend it to a friend etc. Companies spend big bucks giving out free samples etc, quite happily giving them to people that keep on walking. Or flyers to people that just go dump them in the trash.

I think advertisers need to realise that its not all about conversion rate, and just having someone visit your site can have knock on effects which may be beneficial.

david_uk




msg:1440295
 5:56 am on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would hazard a guess in saying that this post has been written soley with the intention of stirring the pot.

As the OP hasn't contributed again since the top post, it seems so.

I can't honestly say that many sites have stirred me to the point of sending them money. If I find a site that I like that is complementary to mine, I'll try and set up a reciprocal link. And if I find a site that I think my visitors will just love even though it's not really connected, I have a section on my links page to show that type of links.

It's my view that having others feel that your website is good, and quality sites wanting to exchange links is a much better feeling - and reward. Also, the link may generate both parties more money ultimately, so a much better reward all round.

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