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|Parentís hounding me to get a real job|
| 5:41 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
My story begins with this very newbish post on the background of my ďwebsiteĒ, [webmasterworld.com...] Thanks to someone who responded quickly and tactfully I quickly realized having one blog would get me just barely enough to buy a penny whistle- per month. I was wasting my time and loosing money. I am now expanding into user contributed websites and other profitable methods I have learned right here at Webmaster World.
My mother and father became very curious and worried when they saw me staying up late into the night (intensely researching every ounce of information as how the big leaguers do it) and demanded to know why I ďwas wasting my time on the computer playing games at night.ď I explained to them what I was doing but they think it is still ďa gameď- especially my father.
He is now hounding me to get a ďreal job before theyíre all takenď, thatís not the least bit helpful when Iím researching and working on sites. I understand his concern because he is retiring next year with nothing in his 401(k) and a bad pension plan and the family income will stop (my mother left the working world 9 years ago to focus on us) and will start going down if they donĎt realize the importance of passive income now.
To make matter worse, my mother has told me that if I am serious about making money online I will make enough to cover my tuition for the upcoming semester- by August. The only problem is that is an impossible challenge. Firstly, because I have no credit card to pay for hosting or domain names and am worried to put my bank account information online via Paypal with all the horror stories Iíve heard.
Making 8,000 on the Internet in three months is flat out impossible using only free sites and not spending a dime on advertising, especially. Not to mention starting from PR0. You canít make money without spending money first.
I am determined to make my first adsense payout before the end of this month. After reading Robert Kiyosaki, T. Harv Eker and Barbara Sher I know anyone can do anything though their determination of the spirit, the power of their mind and the power of being informed. Their books have also taught me to listen to my heart. People who are successful listen to their hearts and take calculated risks. The people who are crazy enough to think they can achieve their dreams or change the world are the ones who do.
This will probably worry many members because they are parent's themselves but Iím thinking of taking the semester off and focusing on working for myself online. Iím enrolled in the school of Art and know that will never make me financially free, unless I sell artwork like crazy. Iíd rather pay myself first and live with the top 3% of the nation does the same rather than work for someone else and wonder what I could have accomplished.
I also want to start the wealth building process now, it will take a lot of time and I want to enjoy it when Iím young and help my parentís when they are still middle age
How can I get my father on board with me without having any large checks coming in? Heís not business minded at all. My mother more business oriented and is looking for someway to work at home but didnít really understand the importance of what I told her. Finally, is it safe to use paypal to pay for domain names? Is there a safer alternative if not?
[edited by: Ehanson at 6:01 pm (utc) on May 10, 2006]
| 5:52 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
You have a lot of issues to deal with.
To start with, you could likely pay for hosting by mailing a money order to the hosting service you choose. I'm sure many accept that form of payment.
Online or not, raising $8000 for tuition in 3 months is unlikely for someone without any work experience.
If you have no established site or audience then counting on income made from Adsense is premature and a really bad idea. If you want to get your dad on board you need to get hosting somehow. Then get a site going with good content. Then add advertising. Then you can hopefully show that you have a revenue stream. This process takes time and if you are starting from scratch don't expect any $1000+ checks anytime soon.
| 6:28 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
What I really find hard to agree with is your way of looking at it - you are willing to quit on your semester - not look for a job - in hope that you will strike gold with adsense!? And you donít even have a site or an idea yet!? That's not calculated risk dude!
The people who make thousands are experts in some feild or the other - take Markus for instance - he is computer wizard - only a person like him can single handedly create and adminster a site which can earn a million in three months. Others have other form of expertise to share on the internet in one form or the other which brings them traffic - I bet if a gadget guru starts a blog on blogger and puts adsense on it he will earn thousands per month. I am not sure you understand the concept of web development - you need an area of expertise first or you need to hit a targeted niche which has traffic but no content available on the internet and then you need to build a great site with great content and that cannot happen in a couple of months.
|Iím enrolled in the school of Art and know that will never make me financially free, unless I sell artwork like crazy. Iíd rather pay myself first and live with the top 3% of the nation does the same rather than work for someone else and wonder what I could have accomplished. |
Well most of those 3% have at some point had a job Ė they studied and went to school Ė or had a huge family fortune to bank upon - either that or they were outright geniuses.
I suggest you get a job - I know you will hate it but it will give you the necessary experience in life. Life is tough and it will get a lot lot tougher if you go about your current way. Take my advice Ė get a job and listen to your father Ė it will do you good.
| 6:39 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|Online or not, raising $8000 for tuition in 3 months is unlikely for someone without any work experience. |
Unlikely, but certainly not impossible- look at the Million Dollar Home Page!
For the credit card issue, why don't you have one? Unless you're under 18, you're probably one of the few who doesn't have one.
Not sure what "horror stories" you've heard about PayPal, but they're probably overblown.
If you can take a semester off, go for it! Especially if you are going to use that semester to earn money for your tuition and take a few classess at the school of life. Even if you don't earn enough money for your semester, you've still learned a lot (assuming you actually do learn from your experience- many don't).
However, a mistake that many people make is that the one semester leads to another, then another, then another... Eventually, you're so used to earning money that you can't afford to stop and go back to school, so you never get the degree. For some people, that may be a problem. For others, it's not.
We've all heard the super entrepreneur stories of the people who dropped out of college and forme dmulti-billion dollar companies. But for most people, a college degree can mean the difference between getting in for a job interview or having your resume filed in the round cabinet. Even if you don't plan to work for someone else, having a paycheck is always a good fallback. Plus, you can learn a lot about a business (and business in general) by working as an employee for someone else.
| 6:41 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Yes. Get a day-job and work on your sites in you spare time. A little money coming in will mean you will be less tempted to do something foolish and desperate on the web that might get you into trouble.
| 6:41 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|Thanks to someone who responded quickly and tactfully I quickly realized having one blog would get me just barely enough to buy a penny whistle- per month. |
No, one good quality blog or website with a couple of thousands of visitors a day can make you some good money. There are exceptions, but if you have no experience it will be hard to do this in only three months time.
|To make matter worse, my mother has told me that if I am serious about making money online I will make enough to cover my tuition for the upcoming semester- by August. The only problem is that is an impossible challenge. Firstly, because I have no credit card to pay for hosting or domain names and am worried to put my bank account information online via Paypal with all the horror stories Iíve heard. |
PayPal is pretty safe to use. There's no need to worry that they'll steal money from your bank account.
|Making 8,000 on the Internet in three months is flat out impossible using only free sites and not spending a dime on advertising, especially. Not to mention starting from PR0. You canít make money without spending money first. |
It is possible, but I have to admit that the chances are pretty slim. Most people who get involved in making money on the Internet generally don't make a lot of money. It's only a very small percentage that makes more than a couple of hundreds of dollars a month.
Advertising isn't necessary to make money on the web. It can help, but if you're inexperienced the chances are high you'll lose instead of gain money.
Even domain names and paid webhosting aren't necessary, depending on what your plan is. If you want to develop high-quality content websites then a domain name and good webhosting will be a must. But there are hundreds of other ways to earn money on the internet. Creating dozens of blogs or sites with AdSense ads and hoping someone will click on them is just one way.
|This will probably worry many members because they are parent's themselves but Iím thinking of taking the semester off and focusing on working for myself online. |
I'm not a parent lol, I think I'm about the same age as you. But honestly I think you're taking too much risk. Like roycerus says, you aren't taking a calculated risk.
I don't know your exact situation, but if I were you I'd get a job. You can still do your online business after your work and during the weekends.
[edited by: Zygoot at 6:48 pm (utc) on May 10, 2006]
| 6:41 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Three months? Even if you make $8,000 in your first month (gimme a break), you still might not see your cheque by the deadline.
No, that's not going to work.
|I am determined to make my first adsense payout before the end of this month. After reading Robert Kiyosaki, T. Harv Eker and Barbara Sher I know anyone can do anything though their determination of the spirit, the power of their mind and the power of being informed. Their books have also taught me to listen to my heart. People who are successful listen to their hearts and take calculated risks. The people who are crazy enough to think they can achieve their dreams or change the world are the ones who do. |
Holy crap! You're never going to be among the top 3% unless you take off those rose-colored glasses. It's okay to "shoot for the stars" but you need a rocket and a warp drive, not a homemade slingshot. Starry-eyed optimism will get you nowhere.
If, several months from now, you have $56 earnings in your AdSense account, nothing to show for all your work, where will you be financially? Would you hope to go back in time and do everything differently? Well look, NOW you're back in time and you're at the crossroads. You have the power to not make the wrong decision.
I'm young too, but at least I make enough from my part-time job to keep the home fires burning. It sounds like you're going through maybe the hardest financial time of your life, and if so, now's not the time to start your venture.
Like Zygoot said, you're talking about a risk, but not a very well calculated one.
[edited by: Andrew_Bassett at 6:43 pm (utc) on May 10, 2006]
| 6:42 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|Making 8,000 on the Internet in three months is flat out impossible using only free sites |
Really? Guess I did the impossible many times over.
| 7:09 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Wow. There are several levels and challenges here. I'm far past your age, though if my son (9 years old) is as entrepreneurial as you are, I'd be jumping for joy. But....
Your parents are obviously not entrepeneurs, and you have read some of the gurus whose points are well taken, but must always be taken with a grain of salt. I grew up in a family where my father told me: "Be your own boss" (he owned his own business). It rubbed off. And thankfully, late in life, I married someone who shares these values.
And I'm excited today that I broke the $10 daily mark in Adsense -- after six months! Trouble is, my real business, one in print publishing, that I've owned through 13 years of hard sweat equity and where single ads sell for a great multiple of today's adsense take, is struggling.
Everything will work out; our family is by no means destitute, but business is a complex thing. Success can come quickly, then be blown away. Nothing is certain in the world, but I can safely conclude that Adsense and website development initiatives are slow ways to wealth -- at least if you are measuring in days and months rather than years.
Here is my advice, for whatever it is worth.
1. Go to school. Don't drop it, or take a break, just yet, if you can at all manage the finances (even if it means some student loans). School may seem like a waste of time, especially if you are entrepenurial, but I certainly know many middle aged entrepeneurs who have achieved great success in business who wish they had obtained their degree.
2. Work for a while at a 'real' job. It will keep your dad happy. More importantly, it will broaden your perspectives and enhance your capacities as an employer later. And you will be one.
3. Finally, use your spare time for Adsense. This is the perfect part time job. No requirement for regular business hours; spend as much or as little time as you wish, and if you are lucky, it will be a welcome break from your real work.
Note I am not suggesting you do this forever. Sometime sooner or later (and I hope sooner) you are going to need to make the break and jump off the cliff into the economic insecurity of true self employment. But you need to have at least achieved personal financial responsibility before you do that -- your parents won't do it for you. When you make that jump, the experience will be both exhilerating and scary, but amazingly rewarding.
And when you find your passion, you'll indeed understand why sometimes $12.00 in Adsense earnings is worth more than $100,000 at a conventional career.
| 7:17 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Have you thought about changing programs and studying business instead? That would allow you to get a degree, keep working on your websites, and allow you to better understand the business you are trying to make a living from.
I'm just finishing up my BBA and am just getting into teh Adsense game. I've been involved in music for the past 7 years, DJ'ing, managing artists, promoting shows, etc. With what I learned in business, I'm now able to have the #1 niche music site this side of the country, with plans to acquire or start a new site that will no doubt be the #1 niche site in the country with lots of spillover into other countries. I am 100% confident in this because I know the market and I know my audience. Also, everything I do serves to leverage my other projects or future projects, internet related or not.
My parents are hounding me to get a job too, and I've got to. And unfortunately I have no web design skills so I have to hire people to build my (fairly intricate) sites. I think you should find a decent paying summer job, consider whether you are in the right academic program, and keep building and planning your sites. I've been pretty amped to get my sites up and earning these past few weeks too, but I've realized that it's going to take time, money, and strategic planning to be able to justify relying solely on this revenue.
| 7:27 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
You know around the time in life where you are right now - I believed that being a song writer was my calling - I formed a band - wrote songs - did one show - and then realized that I just couldn't blend in with the kind of people I was hanging out with - I also hated the stage or the attention I was getting.
I then went to the next best thing I liked - I wanted to be in advertising - you know - copy writing - visualizing and stuff. I was pretty good at it too but somehow just couldn't land a decent job - I had bothered so so many people to look at my portfolio - I even created a website out of it!
Well that experience of building a website gave me a break into earning a living and being independent. I started doing a host of things for my company including recruiting, web development, design, I even went and hosted their booth at Linux conferences.
The point of saying all this is that you need to start making moves on your ideas - and if you don't have any then start looking - and the best place for that is where the people are.
|If you keep your eyes so fixed on heaven that you never look at the earth, you will stumble into hell. |
| 7:34 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|After reading Robert Kiyosaki, T. Harv Eker and Barbara Sher I know anyone can do anything though their determination of the spirit |
The only thing Robert Kiyosaki knows how to do well is write books that appeal to people who do not have good critical thinking skills, which is why his books are so popular.
It would be entirely possible to write a whole book just outlining the logic flaws, inconsistencies and highly improbable events in his Rich Dad, Poor Dad book.
If you want a more realistic book on how to become wealthy, I'd recommend The Millionaire Next Door. It is written by a couple of guys who specialize in marketing to the affluent and study the habits and background of people who got to be millionaires (by doing something other than writing fictional get rich quick books with catchy titles).
I'd recommend reading the Millionaire book, and then re-evaluate your current decisions.
[edited by: Jane_Doe at 7:43 pm (utc) on May 10, 2006]
| 7:38 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Get sustainable quick? There's no quick way about it. Go to school. Get a part time job. Work on your empire at home. It's hard work, but that's what many of us did.
Can you live on four hours a day sleep? That's what I did on many stretches balancing a job, a life, and a home with my web projects.
Create a one year plan, and a two year plan, and a three year plan, setting goals specific for each. Then follow it through.
But stay in school. Things you find irrelevant now help form your character and make it broader and wide ranging. The wider your interests are, the more things there are for you to enjoy. It's easy to allow yourself to grow narrow focused, narrow minded, and of narrow interest.
| 7:48 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
With all my experience, I am happy to increase my income by $300 in 3 month.
Every month $100 more income.
How many month to receive more per month than Your fathers pension?
$8000 in 3 month is a complete unrealistic approach. Only people knowing nothing about the game can make such unrealistic demands.
| 8:05 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
to me it seems that your ideas and the ideas of your parents are not incompatible. Why not follow the advice of zygoot and others and get a job and some experience and good money. You may work on your website in your spare-time. As soon as your ideas work out, you can quit any job.
Sure, there are people who did the 'impossible' but I would think it to be much easier to get a university degree in the next years than becoming rich by adsense.
By no means I am asking you abandoning your dreams. But get some foundations also.
| 8:32 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Wow! Thank you for all the level headed advice.
So, everyone is pleading with me to listen to my father and get a job. Some of that money can go towards funding my part time web business. I do have previous work experience working at a retail store last year. I will probably go for one which would give me more exposure to what IĎm doing right now; web marketing and e-business.
Though, would anyone hire me? I have learned a lot from doing my own website, but I think they will want someone who has a background in the industry. The only thing about getting a job is Iím worried it will take time away from building up my website, but I think that should be the least of my worries right now.
I am actually planning on transferring out of art school and into business school, but will have to wait until next semester due to the admissions process.
I've oversimplified how much a new webmaster can make in their first year. I do have a business plan but Iím not sure how long it will take to get it off the ground with the website I currently have.
Also, your responses made me realize there's a huge difference between taking risks and being stupid. If I got started in e-business five years ago that would be a different story, but online earnings are not instant; unless you have an established website or are doing things against Google tos.
The sad thing about newbies using adsense is many think they can slap up the code on their newly created website and the world will come clicking. What they donít realize is they need to define their niche, SEO, create a website people will want to come back to or tell their friends about and have user generated content and thatĎs only half of it.
I was dumb enough to think this too before I stumbled across Webmasterworld. Thereís very hard work involved with converting visitors into clickers and it is a battle many newbies are fighting and loosing because they failure to realize some very crucial points about earning online.
Alex Tewís story got me started when I learned about his million dollar homepage and the simplicity of the idea. I thought ďI can do it too." Though, I didn't find out till last month he already had web experience and business know how.
So, here's the new plan which is more logical and less likely to give my father a heart attack. Get a job related to the online world, do adsense part time and enter classes related to business, marketing etc... Make the jump when adsense and other revenue sources are making more than the job, diversify by investing in the stock market.
[edited by: Ehanson at 8:57 pm (utc) on May 10, 2006]
| 8:36 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Having an education to fall back on is really really a good thing. I can't say enough about it.
Having said that I wouldn't classify an art degree as that advantagous.
If you are serious about web developing you should talk to your parents about a comprimise. Offer to take some industry related courses, look at graphics design, or databases, something related. Perhaps then your parents will see you are serious about Web work and may choose to help you pursue this, but in a responsible fashion.
I can only speak for me but I know many on here have a regular job and they do this second.
| 9:19 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Don't discount the "art degree" as a way to make a living. I know quite a few professional artists who are living quite well, including my own mother, who got a degree in art in her 40's and, yes, it opened some doors for her. Also know a fair number of traditional animators who are making enough to get by.
Many of the skills learned in a fine art degree -- things like composition, and (if the degree has any merit at all) use of photoshop and digital art in various forms -- apply quite nicely to web design. A fine art degree with a minor in computer programming would probably fit the ticket just perfectly.
I'd get a real job to finance your dream. You WON'T make millions overnight with adsense -- I suspect even the legendary Markus ;) didn't make millions his first several years! You may be able to succeed eventually.
A little story here to illustrate how sometimes things come together ...
I've wanted to be a writer since I was old enough to read. My parents tried hard to discourage me. "Go out and play!" they said, when I was a preteen and spending hours every day writing very bad stories about dragons and unicorns.
Never sold anything. But along the way, I acquired a domain name -- somewhere around 1996 or 1997. Used it for various projects. Never made any money off of it. It was "for fun."
I kept at the writing dream, and somehow, I ended up writing correspondence for a major corporation. Ain't what I had in mind when I said I wanted to be a writer -- but it pays the bills & I've got benefits. A pension, even, someday, if I stay with the company.
And I kept plugging along at being a writer. Made a lot of friends with similar dreams.
That website I bought in 1997 with NO hope of it ever making $$$? In 2000-something Mozilla named their browser "firefox" ... see the domain in my profile. ;) *LOL*
The advertising on that domain is now financing a start-up webzine. The friends I made when I was a wannabe writer are now writing for the 'zine -- and will be paid for it. *I* get to put "editor" after my name. I AM GETTING PAID TO BE A WRITER and write about things I love -- paid through google, but hey, the money spends.
But it took ten years, and it came about in a way I never would have dreamt would happen.
If dreams are meant to be, they happen. So if you dream of making a living on the web ... go for it.
But keep your day job. I know I am, for now. ;)
| 9:47 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Get a haircut and get a real job!
Clean your act up and don't be a slob!
- George Thorogood
| 9:56 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Given the current situation regarding AdSense's plummeting payouts and Google's Big Daddy nightmare - I side with your parents.
| 10:21 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for the great replies and all the support.
Just looked through the classifieds on Craigslist and saw many web based jobs I may be able to get. Jobs along the lines of working for small start-ups. I'll apply tonight.
Plummeting adsense payouts? Big Daddy nightmare...? Uh-oh, time to diversify.
| 12:10 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I made it with 10,000,000 page views a month averaging arounmd 600$ per day.
Heres my story...
Since the age of around 8-9 I've been working on html.
Around the age of 12-14 I started focusing on dynamic areas of web-developement, but application programming was highly more interesting at the time...
Back to the internet I started doing PHP, databases in MySQL and slowly it all became natural to me to develope sites people would like to use...
I dropped out of college to focus on my web-developement career without any aim or any understanding of where money would come from I worked on methods to attract users to my newly created web-site, I put adsense on there and started earning 1-10$ a day... having no money because and never being a spoilt child (never been given anything for nothing) 1-10$ day was a fortune and 365$-3650$ year sounded all too much, so i worked harder.
I worked until my eyes couldn't bare the pain... I worked until it rose to 100$ in 6 months... 12 months passed by its 600$ average day now, bad days 400$.
So what happened? I was determained, I left home, got my own place, my parents are amazed, shocked and proud, and everything is going good.. but the summer has made value of adsense worth 40-50% less now than it was before... so I'm now struggling away trying to beat it (knowing when it rises again i could be on 1000$ day).
Now i might assume that It will reach 1000$ day and some may so dont kid yourself.. but im a dreamer, and dreams can be a reality if you know the way to get there... follow your heart, everyone else can just sit back and watch.
| 1:07 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Congratualtions on earning those types of figures per day. Secondly, thank you for sharing your story; it is incredibly inspiring. The support has given me a surge of confidence because I can relate very closely some things you wrote.
Though, I understand that was your individual way of earning with adsense and the key to your story is you had know how before using adsense and used it to make your site a money making machine. What works for some is not gaunteed to work for others. But, you have made some very important points for all to think about.
I will do the same thing but, with barley any of the skill's you have I couldn't realistically do it in a short time frame. This year? Probably not. Next year? Yes.
| 3:01 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I don't know if I'm too smart for you all, but with traffic anything is possible, I'm only a teenager and I'm already up to $300 a day with adsense just working a few hours a day, It's all about the search engines baby :) Master the search engines, and money comes rolling :)
| 3:49 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Yes it's about traffic and something people return to.
| 4:00 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I don't think most peple here would deny the success of "SeoMasta" is possible, but you sure can't rely on being able to do this ever, never mind within the next few months.
Turning this into a full-time gig requires smarts, patience, and a fair helping of luck. I definitely wouldn't gamble my future on this business unless I already had a site that I could clearly see was going to become a success.
| 4:10 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Good call Ehanson. Most webmasters work on their websites in their free time while being in a job and leave the job once adsense earnings are substantially more than the job. It's a fun ride - enjoy it.
I'm sure you can get a job in web development if you know a bit of php/mysql.
| 6:53 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I'm 48 my parents are still hounding me to get a real job, little do they know I don't need one!
| 3:53 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
real jobs are for the weak! keep at what your doing, it'll come through eventually. try to avoid watching porn and playing video games, as that just eats time that should be spent creating content. work will set you free.
ignore your parents criticisms and stay focused on building sites. try to stay at home until your monthly income is enough to live in Bangladesh, $50 a month should do. Immigrate to there, Congo, or Burundi, and you'll be independent and free.
| 4:57 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Wow! The outpouring of support is very humbling. Thank you all.
It hasn't been both my parent's, just my father. My father is saying it is impossible, my mother is taking the "we'll wait and see" and "don't tell me it's possible show me its possible."
Living in a foreign country? On 50$ a month? I don't think I'm comfortable with that at all. But thank you for the suggestion.
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