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How I made a million in 3 months.
markus007




msg:1364599
 4:25 am on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Lots of hard work, and a billion+ pageviews :)

I am without a doubt the top individual adsense publisher in terms of pageviews. Me talking about how I did it won't help you, but here is what i found you need to be successful in adsense.

1. Get a database of IP's so you know where your traffic is coming from. Then create channels for each country. Its not uncommon to see US traffic with a CPM of $5.00 and a CDN traffic at 20 cents and vice versa. If you have access to the hints option, give different hints based on IP. ie if your page is about 401k plans, that won't get you anything outside of the USA.

2. You have to create sites that will bring in repeat traffic. If you think you will get rich off SEO think again. If you create a Free jobs site you could net 30 million + a year if you got big. Club listings site, free religious personals etc would all be big money makers. Look for established markets and offer a service for free and support it with adsense.

3. Have your users create content and lots of it. User reviews of night clubs, Resorts, golf courses etc. Build your site around your users and make them part of your site, don't build your site for consumption.

4. Do not enter markets with a lot of competition monitized via adsense. Try and undercut paid content markets by offering a free service, or better yet create your own market.

5. Keep your site dead simple, it has to load fast and have no more then 2 ads and 1 or 2 pictures other then your logo. Do not confuse your user, give them what they want and give it to them fast.

6. Troll around various forums and if people are not talking about your market, there is a good chance you will make money.

 

Richard Overvold




msg:1364809
 12:35 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)


"I stopped worrying about money years ago."
I will too as soon as I have loads of it...

Once you have loads of money, you'll still worry about it.. Anyone who says that they don't worry about money is padding themselves with a false sense of security..

hdpt00




msg:1364810
 3:32 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Once you have loads of money, you'll still worry about it. Anyone who says that they don't worry about money is padding themselves with a false sense of security.

As your mortgage rises for the new house, the new H2 needs to be paid off, etc. etc. you will worry about money even if you make as much as Marcus or Richard ;-).

Richard Overvold




msg:1364811
 4:04 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)


As your mortgage rises for the new house, the new H2 needs to be paid off, etc. etc. you will worry about money even if you make as much as Marcus or Richard ;-).

Ha! Depends on whether your pay off your H2, and your house. Who has an H2, Bran? You take delivery of that Ferrari yet? ;)

gopi




msg:1364812
 5:34 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

It not the $10k/day or so that excites me (heck even i gross that much)...But he owns a fast growing ultra high traffic web property in a "hot niche"... Even though it says its technically a dating site its in between a social networking site and a dating site and IMO its a good thing (as "social networking" is the current favorite in internet investment)

So what excites me is the cashout offers he can get in this hot market...I woudn't be surprised if he settles soon for a 8 digit offer!...Good Luck Markus!

seanpecor




msg:1364813
 6:02 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I had that loads of money problem, but I solved it by starting a horse farm and acquiring adjoining land as it comes on the market. They say the secret to making a small fortune in the horse business is to start with a large one ;) I'm living proof!

My revenue has been doubling year over year since 2002, and I don't expect growth to slow because I'm entering new less competitive niche markets with existing technologies that have proven themselves in some of the most competitive markets out there. So while generating $4M a year as a one man army isn't a milestone I've yet achieved, I'm not but a few years away. I say congrats to Markus for kicking some corporate butt! In a world bloated with T. Rex's, it doesn't hurt to be a velociraptor ;)

With regard to worrying about money, I agree with those that say you never stop worrying. Sure, if you stay living in that small house or apartment you can invest all that new money and never worry about bills. But I think it helps to remember why we're all capitalists. It has a little bit to do with friendly competition and working your way up the socio-economic classes. So, when you can afford that 4,000 square foot house, or when you can picture your kids growing up in that new gated community, or when you see a brand new Benz, you may opt for those things because they make you feel good. So, eventually you find yourself paying a $5,000/month mortgage, a $3,600/month car payment, $2,000/month for private school for your kids, $2,500/month for a college fund, $5,000/month retirement account, and so on. Yes some of it is a bit materialistic, and yes a little bit superficial, but it's very much a part of human nature. If you're single or married, trust me having that Benz, having that big house, opens doors. If you don't want to see what lies beyond those doors, then by all means, invest all your money in green stocks and live in a Yurt on an island in the middle of nowhere. Whatever makes you happy ;)

With regard to worry, I think that's especially true for entrepreneurs because I think there is a certain degree of tension and drive that entrepreneurs have when it comes to their future. Call it a fear of entropy maybe. And that fear drives productivity, makes you work a little harder and play the game a little smarter so you can help ensure your own personal and financial growth. I think it also doesn't hurt to come up poor, at least in my case anyway. I remember being pre-school age, living in a 12'x50' trailer, and watching my mom pick out produce from supermarket dumpsters. Being called third class and so on. Boy that sort of childhood will light a fire under your arse, I'll tell you that for nothing! :)

Sean

amznVibe




msg:1364814
 6:52 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now on the front page of Slashdot, why do I expect there are going to be 1000 new dating sites popping up in April?
LoL! It's the million-dollar pixel page syndrome all over again...

Looks like your server load will get a good testing too ;)
Too bad slashdotters are notoriously bad non-ad-clickers.

markus007




msg:1364815
 7:55 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I saw that, 40,000 clicks in 2 hours from links to my site from related articles. Sounds cool, but they may generate 100k pageviews which when you get over 14 million a day is nothing.

As for more sites popping up it will hurt paid sites more then me. I noticed that facebook is shopping around for more money and giving themselves a valuation of 2 billion dollars. I sense bubble.

Peb0




msg:1364816
 8:00 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

First off...
Congratulation Markus007.

Secondly,
Most questions I can concieve, have already been asked and it appears I have some homework.
This has really stirred my concept of a business model... I have some ideas I want to pursue farther ;)
I have little else to contribute directly to this thread except hopefully some leveling thoughts.

I think my comments, if taken in context are still on-topic...

Quite a while back, I learned something that I would like to share.

"If you want to learn how to do [x], talk to someone who does [x]."

I've substituted [x] with what I was originally told because I've found that the concept applies to more than just one thing.

The overwhelming truth should not be lost in it's simplicity.
The world is full of people willing to share advice.
Ironically, most of the talkers have never done what they so freely suggest others should do.

Recognize who you should be listening to and who you should not.
Ignore the naysayers. (For humor, come back in a few years and you'll see them still hanging out and still saying the same things but still not having accomplished much more than they have today.)
If you're smart, pluck the true gems of knowledge from this thread and take them as your own.

PebĪ

fischermx




msg:1364817
 8:00 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually, according to Alexa, your site has been in clear pike during the last week, and still up.

markus007




msg:1364818
 8:06 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

considering i only have 60 people/day with the alexa toolbar installed visit my site means nothing.

My hitwise ranking and my ranking.websearch.com haven't moved a bit. Websearch says i'm the 58th most viewed site on the internet, and hitwise says i'm the 60-80 most viewed in the USA. Hitwise requires a 25k subscription. I always forced my users to uninstall alexa until recently. I was tired of being in the alexa 1k spam list.

mmiller




msg:1364819
 8:38 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Marcus;

Thanks for posting up your findings on making more from AdSense :-) I printed off all your comments throughout this thread and then decided to sit down and try and follow them :-)

I'm getting stuck on step 1;

1. Get a database of IP's so you know where your traffic is coming from. Then create channels for each country. Its not uncommon to see US traffic with a CPM of $5.00 and a CDN traffic at 20 cents and vice versa. If you have access to the hints option, give different hints based on IP. ie if your page is about 401k plans, that won't get you anything outside of the USA

I have WebTrends installed and it tells me where people are coming from but I don't understand how to make a channel that uses that information. How do I create channels for each country?

Thanks;
Marvin

markus007




msg:1364820
 8:59 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

ip2location.com has a database of IP's. Whenever someone comes to the site you look up the IP and get its location. Then you dynamically change the channel in your google ad before its sent to the visitor.

Heartlander




msg:1364821
 9:59 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Any idea how it compares to the open source GeoIP Markus?
Thanks for all the great tips so far.
Your presence here has helped many to keep trying.

OptiRex




msg:1364822
 10:35 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Once you have loads of money, you'll still worry about it.. Anyone who says that they don't worry about money is padding themselves with a false sense of security.

Good grief, do some people not know how to be happy?

I can quite categorically assure you that money is nice however not the be all and end all. I work because I enjoy it, I have absolutely no false sense of insecurity...

toldan:

Oh, I forgot. He's not going to explain anything, he is very secretive about his technique.

Just what is your attitude problem? It does not matter who posts you have to criticise or deny every time.

Do you want all of us to give you the freebie plan to riches?

Vlad




msg:1364823
 10:43 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

you dynamically change the channel in your google ad

Markus, do you have to be a premium publisher to be able to do that? I thought it was against TOS to play with the code.

Thank you for sharing your tips and numbers with us. Really gave me a new boost of optimism after reading this thread.

guru5571




msg:1364824
 10:58 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

All you do is have a bunch of channels then decide which one you want to serve based on IP.

Heartlander




msg:1364825
 11:05 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anyone care to share the coding for this then?
Thanks.

twist




msg:1364826
 11:24 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks like your server load will get a good testing too wink
Too bad slashdotters are notoriously bad non-ad-clickers.

I see /. knocked the site out for awhile.

The initial slashdotters may not click the ads but the many who will now write articles on their websites and blogs about the success of his website is enough publicity to push him to the million/month club.

If I was him I would go to a casino and play the lotto before my lucky streak ran out.

markus007




msg:1364827
 11:42 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

twist the site that wrote the article about me got knocked offline by /. If someone handn't mantioned it got /. I wouldn't have noticed, because I view traffic in terms of pageviews/sec not visitors.

As for geoIP, i'd never heard of it until today.

I wouldn't give Toldan air time, he seems to be a forum troll, highly negative and looking for attention.

Richard Overvold




msg:1364828
 11:42 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)


Good grief, do some people not know how to be happy?

I can quite categorically assure you that money is nice however not the be all and end all. I work because I enjoy it, I have absolutely no false sense of insecurity...

Not wanting to run this out, and ruin this excellent thread, I want to say that I'm happy as can be with how much I've made and how much I'm making now. I have everything I've ever wanted. But I do worry. I also enjoy doing what I'm doing, making close to 6 figures monthly, but, if I was making $10 monthly, I would have different thoughts about what I was doing, and wouldn't be so happy.

Not trying to be cynical, but saying that you don't worry about money is a hard thing to actually do.

twist




msg:1364829
 12:35 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

twist the site that wrote the article about me got knocked offline by /.

Oh, sorry about that, I kept seeing people posting they couldn't get to the website and assumed they meant yours.

First financial success, then the frontpage of slashdot, and to top it off your site lives through being slashed. Congratulations are truly in order. :)

Heartlander




msg:1364830
 12:54 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

// but the many who will now write articles on their websites and blogs about the success of his website is enough publicity to push him to the million/month club.//

Guilty as charged ; )
Got a chuckle out of that.

Markus' story is one to be proud of.
He obviously worked extremely hard to get to the pinnacle he is enjoying now.
If his sharing of information causes some to give up the notion of easy money and MFA's as the answer, then we'll all benefit in the end from this.

ogletree




msg:1364831
 12:59 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Where do you people get that it is wrong to dynamically serve Adsense code. It is wrong to change the code that they give you. As long as the code that ends up when the page is served is correct you can do anything you want. That is not changing the code. Also you can hand write your Adsense code as long as it is something that can be generated by control panel. There is no rule that says the only way to display Adsense is to copy and paste the code from the control panel. All these threads that talk about people getting banned for no reason has made you people a very parnoid bunch. Fraud is the only thing they are concerened with.

activeco




msg:1364832
 1:12 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

At the first sight (very remarkable thing for many publishers), you REALLY could get many more clicks accross your pages.
But, would it translate into more income? I think you know Google very well.

elsewhen




msg:1364833
 1:26 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

ogletree... i am not disagreeing with you... my sites use php to create the adsense code on the fly... but i think the cause of the confusion for other publishers is from the use of the word "pasted" in the following section of the adsense program policies:

Any AdSense ad code, search box code, or referral code must be pasted directly into Web pages without modification. AdSense participants are not allowed to alter any portion of the ad code or change the layout, behavior, targeting, or delivery of ads for any reason.

celgins




msg:1364834
 2:16 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Elsewhen... Ogletree's post didn't really say anything against the portion of TOS you posted. He's talking specifically about dynamically serving Adsense code based on parameters or conditions.

For example, I dynamically serve different Adsense codes depending on which theme a user selects in their profile one of my forums. If they choose a blue theme, a blue-background Adsense ad is shown. If they choose a white theme, a white-background Adsense ad is shown, etc.

Markus was simply saying that you can dynamically serve Adsense ads based on IP.

amznVibe




msg:1364835
 11:37 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's now indirectly linked via Digg too. How's your pageserver holding up?

Not sure how thrilled I would be about my website(s) being called "ugly"
butI guess you can laugh all the way to the bank...

and1c




msg:1364836
 12:23 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

wow. sterling work Markus....

Your site seems to follow the "keep it simple principle" that I am strongly trying to stick to....was this a deliberate effort by you so that pages loaded fast + browser compatibility etc

Also, did you have a day job before your site really took off? When did you ditch it and also when were you making enough $$ to feel safe ditching it?

My sites are making me enough to live and pay the mortgage but I am very close to ditching my day job to focus on them and a "big" site idea I am working on. In fact Im desperate to get more time to work on them (10 hours every day!) so Im curiosu to know how long you spent building the site before it got big....

TIA

seanpecor




msg:1364837
 2:56 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Like most modestly ugly but dead simple and functional web sites that grow exponentially, I'm guessing it all started with an idea bouncing around in his head for a while.... and then in less than a week of coding version 1.0 was out the door and most coding after that was refactoring to handle increasingly high loads. Of course, I may be way off base, but that's my guess.

Sean

21_blue




msg:1364838
 3:24 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

If this point has already been raised in this thread, then apologies, but there is one important factor in Markus' success - the size of the market. A bit of research using Adwords shows the size of Markus' niche to be 10s of '000s of dollars each day.

Markus, was that the size of that market when you started, or has the volume of Adsense units you have been offering expanded the market from an initial, much smaller size?

To put the question another way, if someone is operating in a niche that is currently quite small, can the introduction of a system to greatly increase the number of Adsense units available also expand the market in similar proportions?

activeco




msg:1364839
 4:30 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

...can the introduction of a system to greatly increase the number of Adsense units available also expand the market in similar proportions?

I hope not. Lonely people was always a huge "market".

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