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How I made a million in 3 months.
markus007




msg:1364599
 4:25 am on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Lots of hard work, and a billion+ pageviews :)

I am without a doubt the top individual adsense publisher in terms of pageviews. Me talking about how I did it won't help you, but here is what i found you need to be successful in adsense.

1. Get a database of IP's so you know where your traffic is coming from. Then create channels for each country. Its not uncommon to see US traffic with a CPM of $5.00 and a CDN traffic at 20 cents and vice versa. If you have access to the hints option, give different hints based on IP. ie if your page is about 401k plans, that won't get you anything outside of the USA.

2. You have to create sites that will bring in repeat traffic. If you think you will get rich off SEO think again. If you create a Free jobs site you could net 30 million + a year if you got big. Club listings site, free religious personals etc would all be big money makers. Look for established markets and offer a service for free and support it with adsense.

3. Have your users create content and lots of it. User reviews of night clubs, Resorts, golf courses etc. Build your site around your users and make them part of your site, don't build your site for consumption.

4. Do not enter markets with a lot of competition monitized via adsense. Try and undercut paid content markets by offering a free service, or better yet create your own market.

5. Keep your site dead simple, it has to load fast and have no more then 2 ads and 1 or 2 pictures other then your logo. Do not confuse your user, give them what they want and give it to them fast.

6. Troll around various forums and if people are not talking about your market, there is a good chance you will make money.

 

BillyS




msg:1364899
 9:15 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>How many of you here who make less than 80 grand per month believe that I make 80 grand per month?

I make less than 80 grand a month but believe it can be done. It is quite easy for me to extrapolate what I make to the traffic that exists elsewhere. Even with significant downward adjustments, I believe these numbers.

markus007




msg:1364900
 10:06 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The english market is pretty hard to crack now in any major subject, has anyone tried to build a massive community sites in Spanish, french, german etc? Those are all huge markets and they are a good 3 or 4 years behind in terms of how much competition there is for each market.

burgi




msg:1364901
 11:09 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would love to try the German market, but I'm not a programmer, so I can't build the site. But, I can do well in promotion...

[edited by: martinibuster at 11:12 pm (utc) on Mar. 27, 2006]
[edit reason] See TOS [webmasterworld.com]. [/edit]

martinibuster




msg:1364902
 11:25 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,
Just a friendly heads up:

  • Please do not solicit the URL.

  • Please refrain from personal attacks.

  • If you don't like this thread, then please don't post.

As long as people want to continue a civil discussion, this thread will remain open.

Thanks everyone! :)

gregbo




msg:1364903
 11:30 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I find the amount of interest/traffic this topic has generated to be interesting from a psycho/sociological standpoint. It reminds me of the discussions that used to take place in the late 1990s by people who'd made millions by selling dot-com stocks. Others, who were jealous of these people's newfound wealth went out and bought dot-com stocks of their own, and, well, you know the rest of the story.

[edited by: martinibuster at 11:43 pm (utc) on Mar. 27, 2006]
[edit reason] Cleanup. [/edit]

and1c




msg:1364904
 11:54 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think its entirely possible that markus makes a lot of money form this site...

BUT...even though he says it is run 99% by ai and the rest is 1 hour per day by him // or moderators on his forum...

I CANNOT see how this is possible.
The more users a site has ....the more potential problems and issues a site has.....

I reckon more like 23 hours per day :)

gregbo




msg:1364905
 12:06 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

a) Drive new traffic to your site. However I think you also stated that the influx you got from being slashdotted/dugg/etc. was fairly trivial compared to your existing organic growth - - so assuming you're being truthful that doesn't make much sense as a motivation.

Was markus007's site slashdotted? I did some searches for him and his site there, and got no results. Also tried searching for him and his site using site:slashdot.org at three well-known SEs and also got no results.

inerte




msg:1364906
 12:14 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah, he was, I remember I read the URL on /., a few days I read this thread, and when someone mentioned that markus operates on Canada, I connected the dots :p

moTi




msg:1364907
 2:21 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

has anyone tried to build a massive community sites in Spanish, french, german etc? Those are all huge markets and they are a good 3 or 4 years behind in terms of how much competition there is for each market.

too much generalization. europe is in many economical areas a few years behind north america. one example is internet advertising. and then came google with adsense and entered the european market pretty shortly after introducing it to the american market - unlike msn and yahoo who not only took years to come out but take a comparatively very long time to go international with their competitive products.
especially in terms of adwords adoption and ad inventory i think there is a time gap.

but with your product.. i was wondering not exactly about your earnings, but i was surprised that almost all of your competitors seem to charge for dating service (otherwise you wouldn't attract this huge amount of visitors, it's your usp). that is to say, we have quite a few free dating platforms here in germany for many years. anyway, for some time past i'm thinking about integrating something like your approach into my platform on a smaller scale.

and1c




msg:1364908
 10:00 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)
Sorry for the total OT guys but how the hell do I turn off email notification for replies to this thread?
I cant find it anywhere on this site?! and its really annoying me now!
please sticky me....somebody! TIA
BillyS




msg:1364909
 12:48 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Sorry for the total OT guys but how the hell do I turn off email notification for replies to this thread?

I'm told that Brett has not fixed this bug in BestBBS. Unfortunately, you picked a very popular thread to discover this bug.

Fuzzyfish1000




msg:1364910
 12:54 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

heh... Unlucky.

Btw, could someone send me the url in question with this thread? Quite interested to have a look. :-)

OptiRex




msg:1364911
 1:42 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

The english market is pretty hard to crack now in any major subject, has anyone tried to build a massive community sites in Spanish, french, german etc? Those are all huge markets and they are a good 3 or 4 years behind in terms of how much competition there is for each market.

Correct me if I am wrong Markus however I believe you are Swiss?

When was the last time you were in Europe? Germany, Netherlands, UK, Scandinavia or Italy, 3 to 4 years behind? You must be joking...

What many webmasters in the US do not comprehend is that many in Europe have no desire for the community sites. We have social lives, we do not need the umbilical cord security of the Internet to have a life.

We simply do not need them and any attempt to force them down people's throats will have the opposite effect.

It's each to their own market, just because something works in one country one should not automatically assume that it will work in another.

dillonstars




msg:1364912
 1:51 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Btw, could someone send me the url in question with this thread? Quite interested to have a look. :-)

Just a friendly heads up:

* Please do not solicit the URL.


Chris999




msg:1364913
 1:56 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Although he could have been more polite quite a bit of what OptiRex says is true.

The community sites would not earn big money in europe.

For example very few people in europe know about Markus's site or craigslist. We just dont go for that sort of thing. We meet girls in bars and sell all our gear on ebay.

WallyWorld




msg:1364914
 2:03 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

What many webmasters in the US do not comprehend is that many in Europe have no desire for the community sites. We have social lives, we do not need the umbilical cord security of the Internet to have a life.

Say what?

inerte




msg:1364915
 2:05 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here in Brazil it's Orkut for communication and go out for girls/boys relationship.

But just like there was no Orkut before, perhaps there's no dating site now. Maybe it's a matter of the "right site" appearing.

burgi




msg:1364916
 2:07 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

well, but there are quite a few pretty popular for pay sites where you can meet other people. They have a ton of members.
Also, there is no real alternative to ebay in Germany at least. There is no such site as craigslist that is free and well known. But, there are many marketplaces in Germany for everything: Real Estate, Cars, Jobs, etc

So, I don't necessarily agree that online communities would not do that well in Europe (Germany at least).

The reason people in Europe haven't heard of Markus' site or Craigslist is mainly because it has no relevance to them. Craigslist mainly covers the US market, and Markus' site is also for the enlish speaking market, so not particular interesting for people in Germany.

Chris999




msg:1364917
 2:21 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think you miss the point.

In europe people have a more fixed view of the Web. Americans Google for things like dating, auctions, personals etc. We dont as much. We know the sites already.

Europe is much harder to break when relying on Google traffic.

caran1




msg:1364918
 2:49 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, the market size varies from country to country. In many parts of Asia, such sites would not work. To earn lot of money, you should have a large market, only then you will get lots of traffic

Freedom




msg:1364919
 4:33 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

What many webmasters in the US do not comprehend is that many in Europe have no desire for the community sites. We have social lives, we do not need the umbilical cord security of the Internet to have a life.

Whoa. That's out of line and offensive.

Time to shut the thread down.

Chris999




msg:1364920
 4:51 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why should one users comments shut a thread down?

Although rude some of his comments were valid.

21_blue




msg:1364921
 4:56 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Chris999 wrote:
In europe people have a more fixed view of the Web

From my UK perspective, I don't recognise the caricatured comparison that is being painted between Europe and North America. What I do recognise is that, although there are 3 times as many people in Europe as in North America, the latter has a much more homogenous culture. The language and cultural differences in Europe would make it more difficult to achieve the same type of mass-market penetration that can be achieved in North America (in fact, I know that to be the case from personal experience). But even so, discussion of such differences seems to me to be a rather academic tangent. The relative sizes of the markets may influence the size of the opportunity, but there are still opportunities to be had.

I think we all have a choice. We could debate why 97% of Markus' approach can't be repeated or won't work for us. Or we can work out how to extract the 3% that will work and exploit it. As I posted earlier, about 934 messages ago, Markus' experience has given me some ideas that I can try on my website. Perhaps I'll only make an extra $50/day as a result, but if I do I'll say thank you to Markus for sparking the idea.

jomaxx




msg:1364922
 5:03 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

OptiRex's comment was too preposterous to be offensive. The fact that a webmaster could seriously attempt to speak for 750 million people in Europe, and assert that there's no place for online communities there, is the clearest indication of how immature that particular market is. And why.

brokenbricks




msg:1364923
 5:08 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

What many webmasters in the US do not comprehend is that many in Europe have no desire for the community sites. We have social lives, we do not need the umbilical cord security of the Internet to have a life.

Yeah, there's not one single old lonely male internet user in Europe. Not a single one!

Europeans don't look at pornography either.

and1c




msg:1364924
 5:21 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)


>>Sorry for the total OT guys but how the hell do I turn off email notification for replies to this thread?<<
BillyS said
I'm told that Brett has not fixed this bug in BestBBS. Unfortunately, you picked a very popular thread to discover this bug.

// Hehe...thats about my luck at the moment....I will have to wait this thread out it seems! (1000 emails later)

Thanks

tsinoy




msg:1364925
 5:45 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

interesting thread...

I wonder if this concept can work with those other high paying industries...

markus007




msg:1364926
 5:56 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

OptiRex's comments have no basis in reality.

There is a site like myspace in denmark and another in estoninia that have a good 20%+ of the population signed up, that is more then myspace will ever get. Dating traffic is doubling every year in europe and community sites are just gaining a foothold. There are conferences every couple of months for big companies wanting to get a food hold in the exploding european market. Job travel extra sites are also exploding as more and more of the population goes online. All you need to do is look at the number of people coming online, the european market is growing like the american ones was 4 years ago.

OptiRex




msg:1364927
 6:16 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't understand why anyone perceived my opinion as being rude, some people must have a very strange understanding of the English language.

Shall I make it simpler?

Just because something works on-line in the USA does not necessarily mean that it will work in other areas of the world.

My own industry is a perfect example of that in that we supply different products for each market since that is what they require, not what someone else has told then they will have.

The fact that a webmaster could seriously attempt to speak for 750 million people in Europe, and assert that there's no place for online communities there, is the clearest indication of how immature that particular market is.

And surely this is as preposterous a statment that I supposedly made? I did not speak for Europe, I made the statement that many do not need to be constantly connected to the Net.

Heavens above, I, and many others, do have other other things to do other than click Adsense ads all day long.

RobinK




msg:1364928
 7:36 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

markus007

I just want to say thank you to your post. Sometimes you get comfortable in your little niche and don't maximize all your potential. After I read the start of this post last week it got me thinking and I pulled out my yellow legal pad where I had recorded some of my ideas quite awhile back.

All of a sudden one of them popped out at me and I thought why the hell haven't we been working on this for the past year.

Maybe we will make a million, maybe not. But we are now enthusiastically adding another basket to put our eggs in, which can only be a good thing.

And hey with a little luck and a lot of hard work maybe I can make a post like marcus's in a couple years and inspire someone else to go for it. Either way I will know that I went for it and tried it. The idea wasn't doing any good gathering dust in my filing cabinet.

Anyway for whatever reason you made your post or if you really made that much money, it matters not to me. I am just glad you got me thinking and motivated.

fischermx




msg:1364929
 7:46 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

For me Markus post we heaven sent.
I have a very good domain name for a website I have been hesitating to develop for the Spanish market, not dating at all but a somehow wasted niche.
However, Markus story have made me believe that with the proper efforts I could have some success with it, following similar stratagies, concidently, I have some ideas in common with Markus approach.
Coincidently again, I restarted the development after a one year pause just a week or two before Markus post.
Now, I can't wait to finish it and release it.
Just I hope the spanish market gives me at least that $0.78 eCPM and I will be happy with a tiny portion of his traffic :)

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