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How you find an AdSense Niche?
Enthusiastic




msg:1410219
 10:56 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I would like to find a detailed way of finding a good niche that can perform very well.

I am still having some knowledge but that won't be worth if I don't know all.

I have asked some peole about what's your niche and the answer was quite logical that why should they tell me , to create more competition which anybody won't like.

I will be very thankful to that person specially who will tell me each and every step of how to find only a excellent niche. I will give him the credit for my success.

I know that's hard to cover all but I can xpect good enough from WW forum members.

Thanks Again,
Addies.

 

pldaniels




msg:1410220
 11:55 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

What do you love doing --- work on that. If you're passionate about it enough then your WWW site will tend to follow.

Paul.

Enthusiastic




msg:1410221
 2:22 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)


I think you are very true, I will soon find my best, Let's hope for the best. There should only be content to do good or there may be some things which can be considered.

Addies.

david_uk




msg:1410222
 3:39 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Might sound a bit Zen-like, but you don't find the niche, the niche finds you!

You have to spend hours maintaining a site, and hours researching and adding content and promoting the site. And after all that, you might get few visitors and zero $ for a long time. You have to have commitment to do this, and if the topic isn't of any real interest to you, then this doesn't happen. This is why people have suggested that you write on something that you are inspired by, so that your inspiration for the topic will carry you through the work of getting content and promoting the site initially. We don't know what topics you are interested in / knowledgeable about, so it's difficult for us to answer the question - it's not really a case of we don't want you as our competitor.

activeco




msg:1410223
 3:52 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I will be very thankful to that person specially who will tell me each and every step of how to find only a excellent niche. I will give him the credit for my success.

LOL

ann




msg:1410224
 4:01 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

You know, I would have loved it if, at the start of all this web building and advertising, someone had been willing to hold my hand and baby me through it. That would have saved me a lot of thought and work then I could just lay back in the clover and live off someone else's ideas. Nah, I don't think so.

if you want something or need something bad enough you will be willing to do the brain work and the grunt work as well as reap the rewards.

Said rewards will seem much sweeter when you can stand up straight and say "I did it all myself"!

ronburk




msg:1410225
 4:15 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would like to find a detailed way of finding a good niche that can perform very well.

  1. Make a list of the topics that you can create competitive content for. (Example: if the topic is "chemistry" and you pronounce "cation" with a "sh" sound in the middle, then you can't really create competitive content for that topic. :-) If the list is empty, then you're done! (That means it's time to look into multi-level marketing schemes instead of AdSense.)
  2. Pick a topic from the list.
  3. Check the obvious keywords related to the topic in the Overture bid tool and see if more than a couple pay more than $1/click. If not true, go to Step 2.
  4. Now search for those keywords in Google to see how competitive they are. If the page 1 SERPs for those keywords all have >10,000,000 hits and >PR6, and you're starting with a PR0 site, then it's probably going to take you years to rank for those keywords, so go back to Step 2.
  5. Now you've found (probably after quite a long search) that rare thing: a non-competitive topic that pays well. At least, you think that's what you've found. Time to put it to the test and build a website.
  6. Ooops, too bad, the sandbox effect (not saying there is a "sandbox", just saying that as a rule, new websites have trouble ranking well) means its likely you won't be able to rank for squat on this website for quite a while. Put 6 months into it developing content, then go back to Step 2 again and start trying to make your 2nd website while you let this one "age", with only minor ongoing development effort.

Now might be a good time to read You too can make $5.35/hour with AdSense? [webmasterworld.com].

And then you can read this fellow [webmasterworld.com] who is just starting out and would like to make a lot of money, but is willing to settle for a mere $2,000 to $5,000/month.

Which of these two views of reality do you think is more accurate?

Good luck!

david_uk




msg:1410226
 4:21 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

And then you can read this fellow who is just starting out and would like to make a lot of money, but is willing to settle for a mere $2,000 to $5,000/month.

I hadn't read that post - have now :) Rather optimistic I'd say.

Paris




msg:1410227
 4:29 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

<quote>Said rewards will seem much sweeter when you can stand up straight and say "I did it all myself"! </quote>

Ann, but it can always be said that we are all here because we realize that while we can do it all by ourselves, we can do it better -- together -- as a community.

I think the best response in this thread was the initial one. If you find something that you are passionate about, roll with it.

Chasing a niche based on the value of a keyword is no fun at first and fruitless in the end. How many AdSense webmasters started Mesothelioma sites in 2003 just because some lawyers were willing to pay Overture $100. Most didn't know squat about asbestos cancer, regurgitating the same drivel in different ways and it wasn't long before supply-demand took over and those $100 lawyer bids on Yahoo! were just $0.05 bids by AdSense publishers on AdWords.

In short, it doesn't take much to figure out what areas are more lucrative than others but way too many webmasters make the mistake of chasing those areas without bringing anything new to the table. That's why, if it's a topic that you're passionate about, you will add some value to the plethora of topics out there.

If you're in this strictly to make money, pride and fun be darned, then the hot keywords of the moment still won't help you there. Just look at the trends and beat the rest of the market to create a site that focuses on that trend.

activeco




msg:1410228
 4:47 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Said rewards will seem much sweeter when you can stand up straight and say "I did it all myself"!

That's right Ann.
I actually feel pity for the rich children born in the secure Overwhelming.
They can't appreciate anything. They are truly handicapped.

dibbern2




msg:1410229
 9:08 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Liking or not liking your topic is a positive factor, but it is hardly necessary for you to be successful and take pride in a job well done.

If you study the possible markets, build the best web site you can, work hard at the writing, and go through all the testing it takes to eventually identify a few winners, you have a fair chance at success. All this takes time and persistent hard work... its no easy ride.

IMHO, liking your subject will make your work a little more pleasant, but has little matter in the end with doing a good job of it.

europeforvisitors




msg:1410230
 9:20 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMHO, liking your subject will make your work a little more pleasant, but has little matter in the end with doing a good job of it.

But it does have a lot to do with whether you'll be able to stay motivated (and keep working) month after month, year after year.

Building a successful Web site is like writing a book: It's easy to get started, but most people give up after chapter one.

ann




msg:1410231
 9:31 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Paris,
You are right we are here to help one another BUT that help usually comes in answers to problems someone is having during the building process, even helping with the finer points of ad placement etc.

Other forums here on this board offers all kinds of help should a person get stalled because of a problem he or she may be having.

I just feel that asking for niche ideas and so forth is a bit much. That is something one must do for himself or herself :)

Yes the 2nd post was a very good one, similar to one I answered a new poster with a month or two ago. I am always glad to help if it is a real problem. A little reading and searching on this forum would have enlightened him immensley.

I can't remember the name of the board (that was a loooong time ago) that was so informative and willing to help me out with coding, etc but I will be forever grateful to them.

Ann

andrea99




msg:1410232
 9:53 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

My niche(s) found me. I built a site with a wide variety of subjects and formats. I began in January 2002 and in August of 2004 I noticed certain pages drawing more traffic than the others. I built upon those pages and those subjects. I began with only subjects that I had at least a passing interest in, but I never would have guessed which niche(s) would have paid off for me had I not done it this way.

I did operate the site as a hobby for two years and it was an additional six months before AdSense began paying well for me, but that's how I did it and I'm very pleased with the site and its returns now.

treeline




msg:1410233
 10:35 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

First niche comes about because I'm deeply involved in it, wanted better info myself, and enjoy promoting it. Makes it easy to achieve top levels within the niche.

Second niche shows up when a family member's little factory desperately needs help on the web as they grow. An amusing education, but what a difference it made, and maybe now they won't need to live with me when they get old.

These each lead to helping others in sub-niches of the original areas.

Next, as I learned about a new topic that excited me, I got frustrated that it was so hard to find good info. Then I thought.... ;)

wolfadeus




msg:1410234
 11:14 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

europeforvisitors, as usual a very deep thought! I agree, stick with something you choose.

Before you make your decision, think of some things: What can be shipped easily? What do people like to read about? What's an "old men's hobbey"?

Then check out the existing websites, do some "allinurl: keyword" and "allintitel: keyword", take notes, spend a lot of time on that sort of thing.

Mostly: Choose a topic you like and that you enjoy writing about.

Paris




msg:1410235
 11:18 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMHO, liking your subject will make your work a little more pleasant, but has little matter in the end with doing a good job of it.

I don't know if I agree entirely here. For instance, let's say you see that mortgage originations is a hot keyword so you go in that direction. You couldn't care less. You're a renter! You don't know an amortization table from a breakfast table. But you find a few free articles, spin them into somewhat unique content and away you go.

Success? Not if you don't care about the topic enough to stay on top of current events. Your site is all about 15 year and 30 year mortgages when the housing bubble has folks turning to 40 year loans or interest-only mortgages. Your site is obsolete and you're not cashing in on the higher priced targeted keywords.

That's why I suggest going with something that you're passionate about. Something as low value as comic books can be a more productive venture for a comic book lover than having a site on male impotency drugs despite the higher keyword rates.

treeline




msg:1410236
 11:27 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMHO, liking your subject will make your work a little more pleasant, but has little matter in the end with doing a good job of it.

You must not really like your subject. Perhaps you thought it was "interesting." If you really like your subject, it stays exciting. Learning more about it yourself increases your motivation. Every new site (almost) coming on line is a source of happiness. Knowing more people are learning about what you care about gets you stoked. You want better resources to exist for it, and welcome them even when someone else does them. It's gratifying when people recognize yours, and it pulls you closer to others in the field.

No, if you like your subject, the work doesn't go away. It's still work, but you don't mind it, not really, because every new stats report shows more people care about what you care about.

andrea99




msg:1410237
 1:45 am on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have dozens of pages on my site that are there because they interest me but they get very little traffic.

There are dozens of other pages that somewhat interest me but REALLY get me excited when they pay my bills.

Motivation is where you find it.

MisterMarkup




msg:1410238
 2:24 am on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't really agree that making a website about one's passion is the right choice for adsense. Building a website about one's passion is likely to result in a quality site, a site with lots of inbound links and high pagerank, but it might well not earn much money.

Maybe better would be to choose a niche that one is both competent to discuss, and that research determines can make money.

Turning one's passion into a full-time job might well make one's passion turn sour. What you need is a topic that you can work full-time on for a year or two without growing weary of it. Most people choose a trade based on competency and employment potential; very few of us are fortunate enough to earn a good living pursuing our dreams.

There are several factors that determine our monthly adsense check:

pay = pageviews * clickthru rate * pay per click

Quite often I see people here chasing after high pay per click keywords. But even a twenty dollar keyword won't pay if few visitors click your ads, or if few people search for your keywords in the search engines.

I'm not certain how to find out the clickthru rate of a prospective keyword. One way might be to place an AdWords ad with a high enough bid that it always shows "above the fold", let it run for a day and then see what CTR it gets.

If you're not in a hurry, then register a domain with a name that doesn't suggest any particular niche, but one that's easy for potential visitors to remember. Write a couple dozen articles on a wide variety of topics, one for each niche you are considering. Once the site has been around long enough for most of the articles to appear in the SERPs, put adsense on each of them. Let the statistics accumulate for a while, at least a month, to see which article topics seem most profitable. Then write a whole bunch of articles on those topics.

If you have more of a budget, then register a dozen different domain names and give each a small site of a half-dozen pages, then keep only the ones that seem to have potential. One usually has to spend money to conduct market research, after all.

I have some articles that are the top hits for their keywords, with lots of inbound links, but that get no more than a thousand hits a month. The reason is that their niche is too specialized for many people to be putting their keywords into the search engines. Some of these pages would go an entire month without a single adsense click, because the kind of people who read these articles don't like to click on ads, or use ad blockers.

So its important to understand that even a good search engine rank won't bring you traffic all by itself. The keywords for which you rank have to be ones that are searched-for frequently. Here again is where it's a good idea to write some test articles, so that you can compare their search engine referrals. If two articles pay the same per click, and rank the same at Google, then you want to go with the topic that brings you the most referrals.

europeforvisitors




msg:1410239
 3:13 am on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

What you need is a topic that you can work full-time on for a year or two without growing weary of it.

A year or two? That's hardly any time at all, even in Internet time.

If you aren't lucky enough to have a passion that can be "monetized" (and let's face it--some topics have more income potential than others do), then at least pick a topic that you can stay interested in for 5 or 10 years or longer. Good content can easily earn money for a decade or more if it's "evergreen" or can be kept up to date with occasional maintenance.

pldaniels




msg:1410240
 3:47 am on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

No no no, you've all got it wrong. You start out in the morning, peeling away your filthy bed sheets, making with your morning cheap instant coffee with murky water, no sugar and sour cream, come up with a random idea. Next you hack out a couple of meaningless drivel paragraphs about the said idea without checking any facts, of course, put in the obligatory AdSense code.

By morning tea you've put the site into the search engines, you've spammed every forum you can automatically spam and people are visiting your site at a ballistic rate. You upgrade to quality instant coffee (oxymoron?) and use filtered water with fresh milk and sugar.

By dinner time you've made your first $1000 and you've got your site being slashdotted for being so "brilliant". You've changed to a single-shot 15 bar espresso machine from BrandUnknown.

By the time you go to bed the ISP is upgrading to a terrabit connection in preparation for the world to visit, your bed has the finest linen and smells washed.

By the morning your abode has turned into a grand palace and scantily clad super models bring you your coffee on a gold trimmed Spode china set and Bill Gates is waiting in your lobby to get your autograph.

... or something like that ;)

annej




msg:1410241
 6:38 am on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)


The challenge is to find something you are at least somewhat interested that pays half decently and has plenty of ads available.

It also need to be something people search for but not so popular that you will never be able to rank well in the search engines because of too much competition.

Green_Grass




msg:1410242
 1:03 pm on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

How right..One has to compromise with what one likes and what pays!

I like to write on the Textile Industry esp. Textile Yarn spinning Industry in my country with emphasis on quality levels, types of cottons, recent trends etc ...but there are no ads to show :(

So I have a diffn. site.

OptiRex




msg:1410243
 1:46 pm on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I like to write on the Textile Industry esp. Textile Yarn spinning Industry in my country

Google.com's showing me several pages of ads.

It may not be showing ads for your specific location however they do exist.

Have you tried just one page to see what thappens? It's only a 10 minute job to create a test page and view the results.

Green_Grass




msg:1410244
 2:54 pm on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is interesting.

Let me do a test page..

Enthusiastic




msg:1410245
 3:00 pm on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

First of All, I want to Thank these Peoples.

pldaniels
david_uk
activeco
ann
ronburk
Paris
dibbern2
europeforvisitors
andrea99
treeline
wolfadeus
MisterMarkup
annej
Green_Grass
OptiRex

I really appreciate your sincere help, and I give you poeple an invitation with the same enthusiasm to my upcoming threads and I have analysed that there are many threads but if we can give some threads special attention then I believe whaterver the question is ,obviously relating to adsense stuff, we get our q's answers for a whole lot of stuff, Isn't it.

I really enjoyed and learned alot.

After reading your posts I think a preferable way should be for people who want money as well as want to write about thier interests.

Make a list of your interests with some priorities and then search out for that from different point of views on web for example competitiveness, ads rate.

Just feel comfortable and THINK LIKE that the GOOGLE guy told you the best niche, so that you will feel optimistic and positive from that side and think thousand time but once you have decided don't rethink then.

And it's not possible that you will not be successful but if you can't make it even then this google thing will push you that YOU are doing something wrong, so that you will do more efforts and at the end of the day you will make it.

I have decided to start a adsense site in July since my exams are going .... ¦(adsense site) and I am sure that by the help of you people, we will make it.

I sincerely thank you again from the deep of my heart. And I would request you people to continue the same way and I'll be joining you in full force in July since you know the reason, Although I try to participate.

You can see the effects, I mean i also agree that forums are to help people, newbie and experts both, I am a newbie but as you see the superb effect of this discussion I have advised! just because this disscussion and if these types of dicussion continues we can make more profit, more knowledge, and you people will also be happy too as your wives will say WoW! more money, do you want that smile.

Go ahead! :)
Good Luck!

Thanks to all - Addies.

Green_Grass




msg:1410246
 3:21 pm on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

He is really enthusiastic!

:-)

annej




msg:1410247
 3:43 pm on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Green Grass, I'm glad you are going to try your textile interest. It just might work.

My site is on the history of a textile related hobby. I haven't seen any ads related to the history but there are tons of ads on the hobby and the finished product.

I'd like to go into another history aspect but assumed there would be no ads for it. But I'm going to rethink that and try some searches to see if any ads occur.

When you have your page built go to 'choose options' on you Google Adsense Preview Tool and try setting it for different countries to see what kinds of ads they would get. It's most interesting.

Green_Grass




msg:1410248
 4:16 pm on Apr 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks everyone.

My test run saw three MFA's

some hog guy
some best sites...
some other rotten stuff.

I don't lose hope..

Annej

I tried that .. Ads too general and not targetted..

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