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YeahBaby

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Msg#: 13537 posted 8:56 pm on Apr 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Firstly let me say thankyou to all of you for your priceless advice. I've been lurking here for a while, soaking in as much information as I can.

My question is this:

I registered for my Adsense account about a year ago, dropped the code on a hobby site, and happily watched a couple of dollars a month roll in for something that I was already enjoying doing anyway. (Never even got close to getting my first $100 cheque!)

Now, health has dictated that I start to take the whole Adsense thing a little more seriously, so I've started to work quite hard on a whole bunch of mini-sites. There's been a lot of talk on these forums about how long it took people to get their first $20 day, $100 day, whatever - numbers, at this stage, that I can only dream about.

I'm more interested in the kinds of numbers people generated from brand new sites. What kinds of numbers were you making per day in the first couple of months? It's frustrating, working really hard on providing useful, original, content, researching ad placement and blending, building backlinks etc. then getting up in the morning and seeing a no clicks, or, at best one or two.

I know that this is not a get-rich quick scheme, and I'm really working on building quality content and SERP, I'm just interested to compare my numbers in the first couple of months with others in the same boat.

 

saraah

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 11:17 pm on Apr 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey

Well even if you have a good content rich site, it takes some time for you to start getting traffic. A website is not like a shop in the mall that people walking by will notice it. Your site will have to get indexed in search engines, web directories like DMOZ etc. You'll find tons of information on how to do that.

But if you want to see some results immediately, you can pay to get traffic. You can use adwords and find some good low priced keywords and start getting traffic from Day 1. That way you wont be disappointed when you get up in the morning and see no clicks - I'm sure some of the visitors that came from Adwords would click on your ads.

And as your site keeps getting older and you start getting natural traffic, you can stop your adwords campaign.

Good Luck
--Sarah

moTi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 3:57 am on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

provided that you don't pay for getting visitors but invest a lot of time and energy, from my experience the path of a brand new site regarding adsense income is roughly as follows:

first year: degrading earnings that are not worth mentioning.

second year: minor earnings increasing more or less steadily.

third year: earnings could make a living.

the following years are no less difficult to forecast, it depends on how competitors react in your niche and how you adapt and expand to the market conditions.

as you see, you need a lot of passion, endurance and most importantly cash for at least 1,5 years and if you're unsure at best a failure plan, too.
didn't want to discourage you.. ;) keep it up!

YeahBaby

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 8:51 am on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure arbitrage is the way to go - I tried it a while ago on a different site - cost me a fortune!

I'm getting a bit of traffic to my sites via some of my blogs (gotta love technorati!)

I know I'm not going to be making much - just want to know that my $0 - $1.50 a day is in the ballpark for others who are just starting out.

Publisher

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 12:49 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Over the last six months I have built (and added to) 4 sites. The topic is on a different subset of the same hobby.

My income from Adsense across the 4 sites is about $120 a month and has been increasing steadily, but at a slow rate. Each site has about 50-60 pages, and I'm adding a few pages to each site each month.

My goal is to have about 10 sites, eventually to be about 400 pages each, and hopefully to generate $500 per month. I'm particularly looking for residual income during retirement.

The first site I put up back in November is getting about 1.56 a day, the next one published in January about 1.36 a day, and two others published in February and March get .40 to .46 a day.

It's not a lot of money, but I intend to build on these sites. I put up a minimal site, i.e. 10 to 20 pages at first to get me through the sandbox period and to get the site indexed, then continually add to each site monthly.

At this point, I haven't gotten into getting links to my sites or any other SEO work. I'll tend to that after I get more content on each site.

cruisesantarctica

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 2:40 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

So Publishes has an average of 1 dollar per page a day. How do you do that?

Myself I recently started a blog tracking how much money I make with that blog. You can follow it up at [quickandeasywaystomakemoney.blogspot.com...]

First 4 days I earned a total of 2.22 dollar, half as much as publisher.

I attracted people to my page writing to my friends and family who can use some extra money. Seems I ran out of familymembers to attrack to the site, and the earnings stalled. Will update again at the end of this week (that keeps the spirits up...).

What are you guys doing to attract people? I still have to follow the trics mentioned in the forums here and then will post again how much each tric brings in.

Cheers

Cruisesantarctica

cruisesantarctica

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 2:47 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

So Publishes has an average of 1 dollar per page a day. How do you do that?

Myself I recently started a blog tracking how much money I make with that blog. You can follow it up at [quickandeasywaystomakemoney.blogspot.com...]

First 4 days I earned a total of 2.22 dollar, half as much as publisher.

I attracted people to my page writing to my friends and family who can use some extra money. Seems I ran out of familymembers to attrack to the site, and the earnings stalled. Will update again at the end of this week (that keeps the spirits up...).

What are you guys doing to attract people? I still have to follow the trics mentioned in the forums here and then will post again how much each tric brings in.

Cheers

Cruisesantarctica

yummybanas

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 3:53 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't think you're allowed to post your blog here. You may want to clean it up before a mod does.

[webmasterworld.com...]

billcale

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 3:59 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seems I ran out of familymembers to attrack to the site, and the earnings stalled

Here's a few more tips and trics:
- It's against the WW TOS to place URL's on these pages - it can get you banned from WebMaster World.
- Family members clicking your ads on your blog or website can get you banned from AdSense.
- You should read the TOS of both organizations and take care of these things immediately.

YeahBaby

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 7:15 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

"
So Publishes has an average of 1 dollar per page a day. How do you do that?"

Actually, he's getting $4/day from 200-odd pages = $0.02 per page per day, which is around $7 per page per year, which seems like around what I'm getting with not a whole lot of traffic, so that makes me happy! :-)

At that rate publisher, if you had 10 sites of 400 pages = 4,000 pages at $7 per page per year you'd be pulling in $28,000 per year, which is over $2,000 a month (A bit more than your projected $500/month!)

Also Publisher - Don't worry too much about the sandbox - I rank top five in Google for a couple of key-phrases on a domain that's only 4 weeks old, so it quite obviously doesn't exist. (But that's a thread for another day that's already been done to death!)

Thanks for your help guys, seems I'm on the right track, an am now most encouraged!

cruisesantarctica

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 4:21 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

How to remove the url I mentioned above? Am on a handheld these days, so will take until monday until back behind real computer (maybe there I will see an edit feature on my post?).

For the familymembers and adsence : does it mention I am not allowed to announce my new site to family members? This is different from writing to all your friends and familymembers with the question : pls click on my site. The latter is not allowed, hence I didn't do that, hence that's why the amount of money earned is not that much to mention.

Cheers

cruisesantarctica

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 4:35 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

How to remove the url I mentioned above? Am on a handheld these days, so will take until monday until back behind real computer (maybe there I will see an edit feature on my post?).

For the familymembers and adsence : does it mention I am not allowed to announce my new site to family members? This is different from writing to all your friends and familymembers with the question : pls click on my site. The latter is not allowed, hence I didn't do that, hence that's why the amount of money earned is not that much to mention.

Cheers

billcale

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 8:16 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Cruises;

How to remove the url I mentioned above?

Probably a mod needs to remove the URL by now, if necessary.

For the familymembers and adsence : does it mention I am not allowed to announce my new site
to family members? This is different from writing to all your friends and familymembers with the question : pls click on my site. The latter is not allowed, hence I didn't do that, hence that's why the amount of money earned is not that much to mention.

It's not the announcement or wording that's a problem. By doing so you run the risk of having family members or friends repeatedly coming to your website and clicking ads - possibly clicking ads in hopes of "helping you out". These clicks are generally easy to spot and can be determined as fraudulent in Googles eyes, precipitating an AdSense ban on you and your website. More than one individual has written in these pages how family members or friends were the cause of their demise. I think even the AdSense Advisor, who monitors these pages, has in the past, warned about this very situation.

david_uk

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 3:36 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cruise - the mods will have to remove the URL. You only have a limited window of time to edit posts yourself.

Although posting gross earnings figure is not against the TOS, I'd be wary about doing this. You may find people clicking to help you out as talked about earlier in the thread, but there is also the "Revenge click attack" situation to consider. This is where somebody clicks the ads repeatedly causing Google to notice, and possibly boot you out of adsense.

The other point I'd like to make is that your site at the moment seems to be purely on the subject of how to knock up a website, stick on some adverts and watch the cash roll in. I'd be inclined to get some other information not related to how to use adsense up there asap, or Google may think it's just another MFA blog.

Adsense isn't a get rich quick scheme - to get the most out of it you need to add something to the web that people want to see.

cruisesantarctica

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 1:04 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

Thanks for the warnings and the remarks.

What is an MFA page?

My idea with the site was to show that the people claiming that you can earn 1000dollar a day with adsense, are not your average Joe like me.

I do see now "the prob" on my site: I am mixing my 2 cents SEO advice with kind of 2 cents Adsense earnings. Yet SEO will help with anything you sell or do on your site.

What I like about adsense is:
1.that it earns fast LITTLE income. Pays your websitehosting and telephone bills.
2. It is easy in the sence : you don't have to go looking for advertisers and selling your webspace to them, or look for the right affiliate partners.

The hard part for me is the SEO : unlike the other post here who got his keywords on top in 4 weeks, it takes me about 6 months with keywordsentences, not 1 word keywords to get on top.

Yet SEO is no rocketscience, but it is a lot of "work". That is why I advice to only go for website topics that you are passionate about. Otherwise it becomes a job and there are much better paid jobs to grab.

Thanks,

Stef

sven1977

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 1:37 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cruisesantarctica: MFA means "Made for AdSense".
Your site clearly falls into this category. I mean, come on:
<ironic>Couldn't you jam more mentions of "money" or "make money" into your pages?</ironic>

In one paragraph you say something along the lines of: "Why should you download Mozilla through my Mozilla referral link? Because Mozilla helps you make money!"

Yeah! Right!

Your site is entirely useless for people. They don't learn anything from it. There is no way (and you will probably learn this yourself soon with your site) to make tons of money quickly and easily anywhere in the world.

sven1977

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 2:07 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cruisesantarctica: MFA means "Made for AdSense".
Your site clearly falls into this category. I mean, come on:
<ironic>Couldn't you jam more mentions of "money" or "make money" into your pages?</ironic>

In one paragraph you say something along the lines of: "Why should you download Mozilla through my Mozilla referral link? Because Mozilla helps you make money!"

Yeah! Right!

Your site is entirely useless for people. They don't learn anything from it. There is no way (and you will probably learn this yourself soon with your site) to make tons of money quickly and easily anywhere in the world.

ann

WebmasterWorld Senior Member ann us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 2:25 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

To the originator of this thread.

Hi, welcome to the forum.

I have put up a new site recently to go with my other two "sister" sites and the links to it have been doing well. It started off earning 30 something a month and now it is up to around 50. Not bad for a brand new site. :)

Fully indexed in the search engines (but buried--LOL) except for msn and yahoo with only a very few hits from google.

Keep pluging, you are on the right track.

to cruse,

Forget google as I will probably be seeing your banned thread soon now. Even calling attention to referrals are not allowed by google.

Ann

cruisesantarctica

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13537 posted 3:17 am on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I repeat what david_uk says:
Adsense isn't a get rich quick scheme

That is exactly my point,
like you say Sven:
"There is no way and you will probably learn this yourself soon with your site to make tons of money quickly and easily"

As the example shows on my site: Adsense earnings about 0.5 dollar a day,
I had hoped the example would speak for itself.

Also the URL of the blog doesn't mention the word rich,
but something must be misleading somewhere...

Where?
The critical eye of Sven notices that:
"Why should you download Mozilla through my Mozilla referral link?
Because Mozilla helps you make money!"

Now notice the following example:

If you watch TV, then suddenly there pops up an advert that says:
"Mc Donalds, I'm loving it!"

It does not show McDonalds CEO saying:
"Buy my burgers so I get more money..."

Maybe I should rephrase what I say about Mozilla-Firefox,
yet that's why McDonalds hires professionals to speak for them,
if the burger had to speak for itself, McDonalds would be a whole different story.

Having a developpers background,
I must admit my speaking skills are not those of a marketeer nor salesperson.
Therefor I tried years ago to attract advertisers to my website with little succes:
I wasn't in the network of advertisers, real world marketeers nor sales,
so for me, it was not quick and easy.

But as a developper, how quick and easy is it to copy, paste Adsense?
very, very easy.

For saying that my site is useless Sven:
this is a very usefull feedback,
worded like: Buy my burgers so I get more money"
similar like David_uk said before:
put more info on the site!
(sounds more like McDondalds I'm loving it)

Point is that it is a new blog and
after reading the feedback in this forum,
am turning the wheel in the SEO direction.

For Ann: 50 dollar a month: Congrats! :-)

Why you say: forget about Google?

I have an example of 1 webpage of mine (in Dutch language)
with a rank 1 in Google, 1 in MSN and 2 in Yahoo ;
with the monthly Links from an Internet Search Engine :
Google 767
MSN 14
Yahoo 0,
so in this particular case, I don't forget about Google.

Stef

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