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Other AS site using my content in frame
How do I stop them?
Lagamorph




msg:1415102
 11:09 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

So there's this site that has tons of links of amusing stuff. When you click those links it displays that page in a frame staying on their site so they can run ads on your content. They are linking to one of my pages with AS on it and a movie basically running their ads on my bandwidth. I got a $500 overage bill when they first linked me!

I have written them, their host, their registrar etc... but they continue. It changes the context of my ads to their keywords and they have the gall to display my copyright in the captured frame and run their ads on top of it. I'm sure Google doesn't allow this but I'm not sure what's the best way to aproach them about it. My main fear is I don't want to trigger anything that would get me banned or some other unlikely paranoid outcome.

Any suggestions on how to approach Google? Also it sometimes dispays other ads and not AS so a link to the problem may not show their AS.

I did consider that I might actually be making money from them because of the traffic and have set up a channel to watch their domain but I don't think I'm making anything.

Thanks for any help, I've been learning a lot here :)

 

Conard




msg:1415103
 11:11 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Set up a simple Java Script frame buster on the header of the framed page and you will pop right out of the frame.

PhraSEOlogy




msg:1415104
 11:14 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

You could just block the site from accessing your content. Replace the page they iframe with a message saying "do not use this content without permission" based upon the domain or IP they are using to get your content.

fredw




msg:1415105
 11:15 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

You could also block their IP address, or make it so that your site returns something rude to their frame. Sticky-mail me if need help doing this...

[edit]great minds think alike, eh, phrase?[/edit]

jomaxx




msg:1415106
 11:27 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Blocking the IP won't work. You could block users with that site as a referrer, but why look a gift horse in the mouth? As Conard says, just use a framebust script and the visitor is 100% yours.

hunderdown




msg:1415107
 11:33 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Put this code on every page on your site, just before </head> :

<script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/javascript"><!-- // hide from old browsers
if (parent.frames.length > 0) top.location.replace(document.location);
// Escape from any referring site's frame, but preserve one-click "Back". -->
</script>

I got this from a post on WebmasterWorld several months ago, and it has worked well for me.

Lagamorph




msg:1415108
 11:40 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow, you folks are fast :)

I've tried blocking them with my .htaccess file but that caused other problems. The frame buster is a great idea.

A quick search gave me this script

<script language=”JavaScript1.1? type=”text/JavaScript”>if (parent.frames.length > 0) top.location.replace(document.location);</script>

I don't use any frames myself, is there a downside to this script? A better one?

Thanks again

Lagamorph




msg:1415109
 11:43 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oooh, thanks hunderdown, I like the hide from old browsers addition :)

No one is saying report them to Google? Interesting, but I do like handling it myself.

hunderdown




msg:1415110
 11:45 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

You seemed a bit nervous about approaching Google, so if direct action works, use it. It will also bust out about.com and other frames, as a nice bonus.

Lagamorph




msg:1415111
 11:51 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, I just tested it and they still keep a top frame? The new script shows up in the source of my page so I know that's refreshed.

The offending site has this code

<SCRIPT TYPE="text/javascript">
<!--
if (top.frames.length!=0)
top.location=self.document.location;
// -->
</SCRIPT>

Could that be to prevent people from breaking free?

Scurramunga




msg:1415112
 11:52 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

No one is saying report them to Google? Interesting, but I do like handling it myself.

That is because Google isn't interested. Use the frame busters, they certainly work for me.

milanmk




msg:1415113
 12:26 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Could that be to prevent people from breaking free?

NO.

Here is the solution.

<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">
if (window!= top) top.location.href = location.href;
</script>

fredw




msg:1415114
 12:37 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Re: my suggestion of blocking the IP, of course that won't work, sorry. Doing this is such an old fashioned technique, I forgot how it worked... :-)

So, yes, framebusting scripts are the only way...

novice




msg:1415115
 12:58 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also been using the script that milanmk posted without any problems. Here is a previous thread about frame busting.

[webmasterworld.com...]

My favorite post in that thread is #13 by foxtunes.
"....Bustin' Makes Me Feel Good..." :)

europeforvisitors




msg:1415116
 1:43 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

No one is saying report them to Google?

Definitely report them to Google.

Scurramunga




msg:1415117
 2:00 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Definitely report them to Google.

From my experience, that is only be a waste of time. Google doesn't want to play policeman.

I've reported violations where webmasters have stolen content from my site in very large slabs and they didn't respond. Why should this be any different.

europeforvisitors




msg:1415118
 2:12 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

From my experience, that is only be a waste of time. Google doesn't want to play policeman.

Sure, that's why we never see any "I've been banned by AdSense" posts on this forum. :-)

I've reported violations where webmasters have stolen content from my site in very large slabs and they didn't respond.

Did you file a DMCA complaint? If not, why not?

The situation here is much different from a situation involving copyright infringement (which requires a DMCA complaint). In this case, Google doesn't have to determine who owns the content; it merely needs to determine that the offending site is framing a third-party site with AdSense ads.

hunderdown




msg:1415119
 2:36 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

milanmk, are you saying ADD what you posted to what I posted, or use what you posted instead?

And if it's not too technical, what's the difference?

Thanks! I thought I had a solution, but apparently not....

northaqua




msg:1415120
 2:53 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

milanmk,

Is that all the script required or should it be used with something else. Today I also found a site using my content. I would like to find away to stop that. These people could have used one of my articles but no, they copied half my site.

Lagamorph




msg:1415121
 2:59 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

milanmk, that seemed to do the trick thank you, and of course everyone else, for helping.

milanmk




msg:1415122
 4:05 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

hunderdown and northaqua, you only need to add my script to your pages and you are done!

hunderdown




msg:1415123
 4:21 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

milanmk, what's confusing me is that I already have this on my pages:

<script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/javascript"><!-- // hide from old browsers
if (parent.frames.length > 0) top.location.replace(document.location);
// Escape from any referring site's frame, but preserve one-click "Back". -->
</script>

Do I add yours below that, or do I replace what I have with your code?

Sorry, but I want to make sure I get it right. I do not understand the syntax of JavaScript so when I use it I have to follow other people's instructions....

northaqua




msg:1415124
 5:04 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

milanmk,

Thanks I am going to place that script in. As I understand it, there may be problems with image search off the engines with that use frames to show them. But i can live with that loss, considering some other sites using my content in frames. That I don't like at all.

I wish that I knew more about this kind of thing, then I wouldn't have to trouble everyone else with questions.

Thanks

Rob

milanmk




msg:1415125
 6:27 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

hunderdown, Replace that bunch of line with my code.

northaqua, putting this code you do no harm to your Image Search Engines except that your page will be immediately be opened in the main window rather than user clicking on the link on the SERP's.

driris




msg:1415126
 6:41 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

should we add this script to all pages?

milanmk




msg:1415127
 7:18 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

You could add this script to all those pages that have been Frame Hijacked.

acemi




msg:1415128
 9:54 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've been using this code for about 5 years and it works well:
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
<!-- Hide from old browsers
if (top.location!= self.location) {
top.location = self.location
}
//-->
</script>

europeforvisitors




msg:1415129
 3:42 pm on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

One thing to be aware of:

Framebreaking code can interfere with other ads on your site. If you're using display-ad code from an ad network or any other third-party ad server, test carefully before implementing the framebreaking code throughout your site.

Scurramunga




msg:1415130
 7:40 pm on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sure, that's why we never see any "I've been banned by AdSense" posts on this forum.

europeforvisitors,

Yes I do take your point, however when Google bans Adsense publishers it does so to protect it's Adsense business interests. What I meant to say was that I don't think Google cares too much about policing search results that lead to copyright violators.

However, I must agree somewhat that Google might see things diferently, if the violation involves the host frame page displaying some Adsense publisher's page. Although I must add that in my (recent) case An Adsense publisher stole over 300 words from my text and Google didn't seem to care. I didn't file a DMCA for various reasons (already posted on another thread)

europeforvisitors




msg:1415131
 7:53 pm on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Although I must add that in my (recent) case An Adsense publisher stole over 300 words from my text and Google didn't seem to care.

Google probably didn't want to be put in the position of interpreting what constitutes "fair use" (especially in the absence of a DMCA complaint).

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