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Idea to antifraud system
don't know if its possible
dyvel




msg:1453098
 4:21 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've read about several people getting banned from adsense from fradulent clicks that they claim not beeing responsible for, and that they emailed google as soon as they knew about it.

It worries me that your are likely to get banned from click you are not responsible for, so therefore I got this idea:

Create a script that measures every single click on adsense (like a tracker) and if more than X clicks is from the same ip/user then remove adsense from the page to avoid multiple/fradulent clicks, perhaps from competitor that wish to harm your business.

This I think could be done with some server side scripting in php/asp and cookies

So what do you think of this idea?

 

jpchrysler




msg:1453099
 4:24 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google appears to be limiting impressions to users coming in from open proxies.

Competitive click fraud isn't nearly as big an issue as is automated click fraud, so the proxy move is a good one.

dyvel




msg:1453100
 4:35 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well I'm not talking about a google initiative even though itīs a nice move from google. I'm talking about what we can do to prevent other people from doing multiple clicks on our AS ads risking our account being terminated.

kadhumia flo




msg:1453101
 10:20 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

its very very hard .this banning thing....

this is because there are soo many people who want your site to be banned,, at the same time, there are soo many low-life fraudulent clickers

Its just a problem in life.. and if ur banned, its just luck

WallyWorld




msg:1453102
 11:28 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here is something else you might want to think about if you are worried about getting banned.

Google is very, very data hungry. It wouldn't surprise me if they not only know your IP but the ID's of the computers you use to login to your AdSense account.

From that, it isn't much of a stretch to think they may recognize your individual computer when you do a Google search. If so, you don't want Google seeing you do a search for something like "automated adsense software" or some other term that might indicate you may be searching for ways to circumvent the system.

Could it be that those being banned have explored ways to do fraudulent clicking using Google Search and Google is ready to ban them at the slightest infraction?

jomaxx




msg:1453103
 11:34 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes it's possible and not that complicated. It would reduce your earnings by a few percent and wouldn't exactly be 100% foolproof, but you might sleep better if you do this.

In case your next question is "Why doesn't Google provide this capability then?", the answer is that each specific implementation would be different. Not everybody has access to PHP, PHP works differently with different configurations and software versions, .htaccess file changes might be necessary, etc.

martinibuster




msg:1453104
 11:45 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

It worries me that your are likely to get banned from click you are not responsible for...

Invalid clicks isn't just people within the same IP, or the same people clicking all the time. It also means inciting them to click.

Another common reason is when the jerks get banned, they "sell" it to their cousin or aunt, or their "business partner."

Maybe if you're advertising your site exclusively on college campuses, as has been talked about here recently, can there be an appearance of invalid clicks.

I think in general, you're probably more likely to choke on a chicken leg than have your AdSense account banned. No use worrying about that.

saraah




msg:1453105
 11:56 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Should I be worried that sometime in the future my site could be a target of fraudulent clicks and try to implement a script just to be on the safe side.

Or should I trust Google's judgement that they wont ban innocent publishers without solid proof?

Scurramunga




msg:1453106
 12:51 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think in general, you're probably more likely to choke on a chicken leg than have your AdSense account banned. No use worrying about that.

here here

europeforvisitors




msg:1453107
 12:53 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why do you think so many people have switched to "chicken nuggets"?

hal12b




msg:1453108
 1:13 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

WallyWorld -
Interesting thought you had...

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From that, it isn't much of a stretch to think they may recognize your individual computer when you do a Google search. If so, you don't want Google seeing you do a search for something like "automated adsense software" or some other term that might indicate you may be searching for ways to circumvent the system.
*************

Let's take it a step further and assume WebmasterWorld is in cahoots with google and supplies the IP addresses of all people here that have ever expresses any possible way to cheat the system!

Scurramunga




msg:1453109
 1:24 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

...If so, you don't want Google seeing you do a search for something like "automated adsense software" or some other term that might indicate you may be searching for ways to circumvent the system.

It would be silly for google to make assumptions or draw conclusions from such searches. Anybody with an interest in the topic for whatever reason would be likely to conduct such a search. I for one went through a stage of looking for public proxy servers. Click fraud would have been as remote on my to do list as watching a Bet Middler concert.

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