| 12:51 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
just optimize site for searches
some advertising to make some traffic
and watch ur account
| 1:06 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Read and Reread WebmasterWorld...
| 2:25 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
i'd be satisfied by 10$/day
| 2:32 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I used to be satisfied with $5/day, then I started making $10/day. No longer satisfied with anything less than $15/day :)
| 2:58 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>>>> what I need , what I should do to earn $30 a day.
Traffic, and adsense page optimization. Experiment, move the code, blend it, make it stand out etc.
Let's presume you have a 1% page CTR (which is OK).
Let's say the average click is 0.10 USD. (which is OK, but really depends on your niche. If it's a general niche, 0.10 is a good estimate).
You would need 300 clicks per day, to earn 30 USD.
To have 300 click per day (viewing the above scenario), you will need to have 30.000 adsense impressions, per day.
| 3:04 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|uploaded is a free article sumission directory |
Honestly...I would spend too much time on this sort of thing. If it's free, that means 1000's of others are using the same free script...
| 3:16 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Check here, it has most of the best threads for the last 2 years. Read all of that and then you will know most everything you need to know.
| 3:42 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
You can use adwords to bring in some traffic, its cost is as low as 1 cent per click, its also increases exposure as people view your ad without clicking. Working wonders for me.
| 5:38 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|You can use adwords to bring in some traffic ... its cost is as low as 1 cent per clickWorking wonders for me. |
unless publishers start noticing that your clicks are so low paying (by using channels), and they add your website to their competitive ad filter.
what does google do when it sees your name in a bunch of publisher's competitive ad filters? i hope they don't take a close look at your site.
just speculation, but i think you may be heading toward dangerous waters.
| 5:40 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Which is exactly the reason I ban all sites that dont directly sell a product.
And with decent content you have no need to advertise.
| 10:36 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|just speculation, but i think you may be heading toward dangerous waters. |
If you read through the AW and AS forums, plenty of people have used AdWords to drive traffic to their sites, and ASA has never said it wasn't legal (I believe it's even one of the AW pages on the official AW site that AW is a good way to increase your site's exposure).
Google has no problem with this (if they did, they could easily determine offending sites, by simply comparing AW and AS accounts).
Where many people get into trouble, is that it appears after a time that you get diminishing returns - i.e. less and less traffic visiting and or less clicks (or to put it another way, if you solely rely on AS, you could find your AW costing more than you are making in AS.
There have been a few success stories, but they appear to be far and few between. Consider AW to be another expense in getting traffic to your site, but more importantly, make the site worth bookmarking for that traffic.
| 11:45 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I am sure most publishers would rather get a 1 cent click than a PSA. Blocking out ads makes sense to block out competitors thats what it was desingned for.
| 11:53 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I have blocked 200. I would and need to block more. Everythime there are even a few on my pages my epc falls.
Need a bigger filter. I have NEVER seen a PSA on my pages.
Any site that gets its traffic via advertising and that has no natural attraction is just a waste of space. It ads nothing, and splits the finite advertisers budjet. I have no wish to share with any freeloaders!
| 11:54 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
And anyway I would rather get a PSA than help a MFA site make money at the users, the advertisers and my expense.
| 11:57 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Plus the long term result of people clicking an ad on a real genuine site that simply leads to another bunch of ads is that surfers will learn to ignore adsense ads. That will cost all the legit publishers and advertisers money.
I already ignore sites that I come across that are obviously crap content but stuffed with ads. The average surfer will start to do the same.
| 12:45 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
i never said that adwords-adsense was illegal... but if the strategy even works, then you probably need to set up a pretty worthless site with nothing more than ads. if lots of publishers block a particular website (that provides nothing but ads), that fact might cause google to take a close look at the blocked site - that is what i would watch out for.
| 1:46 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
All my sites are legit news and travel sites, many are listed by foriegn embassys as important sites, not MFA sites.
| 1:56 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Nitrous, keep blocking low paying sites, you will eventally get my 1-3 cent ads.
Today I paid out 9.35 for 436 clicks. Many do return, according to my logs.
| 2:17 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|i never said that adwords-adsense was illegal... but if the strategy even works, then you probably need to set up a pretty worthless site with nothing more than ads. |
The AW -> AS model pays off with publicizing newer sites, or if you are not ranking very highly for your keywords (i.e. you're in the sandbox).
If you have a good site, I think it's worth it spend the money and get new visitors, because if it's truly good, they'll come back, and more imporantly, they will (hopefully) spread the word. Unfortunately that's hard to measure.
I don't think it's viable as in "I spend $30 on AW a day, but get $50 in AS", because I think you'd be better off on spending the $30 on new content, which will keep paying off over the year(s). A well-written article will get more people than you could buy with AW.
I've seen too many people who come crying into other forums saying "I spent all this money on AW, but didn't make it back", and only a handful who have made it work (and I wonder, as you do, if they are running MFA sites).
Think of AW as taking an ad out in the paper about a new brick-and-mortar store. Don't expect it to pay off instantly, or in an easy to measure way. When brick-and-mortar stores run ads, their primary goal is to get you in the door. If they don't have anything useful, you'll not come back and you won't mention the store to anyone (or if you do it's negatively).
| 7:55 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
but if you have adsense on the site your motive is not sales but the same as mine. Clicks. Why should I want to share the advertisers budget with you?
By buying traffic you are no different to any mfa.
By recirculating visitors to yet more ads you are giving google yet more of a cut too!
| 8:03 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Nothing wrong with buying traffic. Since when was advertising a bad idea? I'm buying traffic at a loss (in terms of AS clicks) on some campaigns because I'm growing mindshare for this particular website.
Feeding targeted traffic to a site for whatever reason is always a good idea if it can profit you in some way. Strategic advertising has traditionally been part of growing a business. The rules haven't changed.
| 8:07 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>By recirculating visitors to yet more ads you are giving google yet more of a cut too!
Yeah....Google still has those "free" serps as a mechanism for it AdSense publishers to maximize its click revenue.
"If you skip all the other Ads we offer we still want a bite at the cherry on every other offering".....it is only good business!
$30 a day is easy to achieve if you offer AdSence from good free serps.....that is how the business model was designed.
Sometimes (often) you can do better with direct merchant partners instead, but, if the sector doesn't have good direct merchant partners then AdSense is certainly a good place to go to fill the gap.
| 1:17 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Every time I try removing all the filtered sites (those that dont sell anything directly) my income falls rapidly to about half. Tried this several times for a week at a time. It costs me about 500 dollars a week in lost revenue. So I dont think its ever worth having ANY site ads that display anything else other than a real end user that is trying to sell a product or service directly.
| 1:21 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
All you need to generate say 30 dollars a day is a couple of 25 page sites that actually have real useful content that both people and search engines like. GOOD interesting content. The sort of thing people naturally link to. If you are no good at writing, or dont know a lot about something in your chosen field then you may as well give up and get a real job!
No amount of tricks or buying cheap ebay sites, or MFAs etc will work. Especially in the long term.
Not everyone can write a best seller or even a magazine article...
If you are advertising with adsense on your site (even at a loss - Martinbuster) then google get TWO cuts of the advertisers limited budget. And I have to share my half of whats left with the other site! This also ignores the fact that adsense clickers soon wont! They do not like going to a link only to find another set of ads. People will just start clicking the back button as I do now.
| 2:12 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
$30 is not a simple to reach if you don't have many visitors.
See my case [webmasterworld.com...]
i have thousands visitors days and make many $ is not easy... :-(
| 2:55 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Dream big - why limit yourself to $30 per day? You should be aiming higher. You'll need more sites and more traffic. Spread your bets in different markets. You'll find that with testing and research, you can identify the sites that'll do well for you.
| 3:01 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
WHYWHYWHY If you dont have many natural visitors after say 6 months then your content isnt quite what you thought it was!
Take a good look at what you are offering!
I get thousands daily from forums and links on other sites, newsgroups etc. All natural traffic linking to good content.
Because of the link popularity I also get 5 thousand or so from the likes of google search etc. Search engines ALSO like sites that lots of people want to link to!
| 3:31 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
i got 12000 / 15000 visitors/day
last month i reached 35000 visitors (these numbers are not hits but real IP visitors) in one day, this day i made +/- $80 for +/- 2000 clicks, is a exception!
My website is open since march 2000
| 6:53 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|but if you have adsense on the site your motive is not sales but the same as mine. Clicks. |
My motive, as martinibuster pointed out, is to grow mindshare. I wouldn't use AW for an existing site, but for a new site, it can be useful for reaching out to people looking for the same content your site provides.
You maybe shocked that websites don't get an instant, massive influx of visitors simply because they are up and running, but it's true!
By buying traffic you are no different to any mfa.
What do you think of a brick and mortar store that pays a newspaper or TV station to run ads for them, to get people into their store?
They are spending money on advertising to get people physically into their store, and are hoping to build mindshare - that when people need whatever, that they will come back because they got a good deal at the store.
I'm spending money to get people to a new website. I'm looking at them bookmarking the site, posting about it elsewhere, emailing it to other people.
I don't want to spend AW money to get instant AS clicks, that defeats the whole purpose in my mind (and because of that, and because of smartpricing, I doubt I will run the two at the same time in the future when I'm building up a new site's traffic).
That's not to say that peoplel aren't spending AW money to get AS clicks - they've posted about it many times here and in the AW forums, but I don't believe that's a viable model for most websites for several reasons, and that gets into an area where you and I both agree falls into the MFA realm.
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