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Adsense on a fiction work
Ever done this?
Leva

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Msg#: 12387 posted 9:17 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a novella which has been turned down by all three of the hard-copy printers who pay for work in that genre at that length, plus the one e-zine that pays decently that I'm aware of. My options with it now are to sell it to a lesser e-zine (for a pittance) or put it on my own site.

It would fit okay on my site -- might even be of interest to many of the users, who generally are there because they like fiction in this genre. :)

Has anyone ever put adsense on FICTION? Any examples you can sticky me of people already doing this?

I have two concerns:

1. Ad targeting. Which could get pretty off-the-wall depending on the particular page of the story.

2. What google will think. It's a work of fiction. No drug use, no gambling, but there's futuristic widgets involved generally defined as "ray guns." Errm. Guess I'll e-mail google on the latter question.

It wouldn't have to make very much to beat what a e-zine would pay me; most e-zines in this genre are making a pittance.

Anything I'm overlooking besides google's opinion and adsense targeting?

Leva

 

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 12387 posted 9:20 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think the main problem would be audience motivation. People who read a novella probably aren't in the same "I'm researching ways to spend my money" mindset as, say, people who are planning a widget purchase, an investment, or a vacation. I almost wonder if you might not do better with handpicked Amazon links geared to the tastes of your target audience.

hunderdown

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Msg#: 12387 posted 9:21 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

You will get poor targeting, yes, but also poor click-through. People don't visit pages of a novel when researching products....

You could certainly give it a try, but you might get ads like the ones I saw on an article on my site about writing, in which the author used a metaphor about baking a cake. Every single ad was for cake recipes.

[added]EFV beat me to it!

sem4u

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Msg#: 12387 posted 9:38 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Give AdSense a try and/or try Amazon links.

Rodney

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Msg#: 12387 posted 9:53 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

You could self publish it and offer it for sale on your website

Paris

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Msg#: 12387 posted 9:56 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Leva, your clickthrough rates will be terrible. Folks will be more interested in clicking on to the next page than on an ad that will take them away from the novella.

There's no harm in trying it, but brace for the worst. A simply PayPal donation button at the beginning or end of the piece may produce more revenue for you.

That said, what you can do is make sure that the novel ends with an interactive twist. I have no idea what the novella is about but if the protagonist winds up somewhere of note (or the novel takes place in a notable city) offer up some area guides (you can even make it compelling by having one of the protagonists taking you around the virtual tour). Look for items in the story that you think may be of interest and hyperlink those words into buying guides for certain projects.

In short, you have fiction content but you can translate it into a more effective non-fiction revenue-generating channel.

Scurramunga

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Msg#: 12387 posted 10:48 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

You could self publish it and offer it for sale on your website

This is a good solution for two reasons:

First there is the obvious potential for selling your product. Secondly you might do better out of adsense because your website content will no longer consist of story-line content within the novel itself, but content describing your novel as an actual product. The general belief is that product sites perform best.

In saying this it would be best that you promote any past and future works on your site to increase your content, as you will need content. Look at sites selling similar products to see how you can describe your work as a product and focus your product's selling pitch in order to attract the ads that you are hoping to target.

My site promotes a specific product that I design, manufacture (by outsourcing) and sell. It also contains articles that discuss my type of product and related products as well as the state of my particular industry. The best performing ads on my site are always ones found on pages that relate specifically to the product that I sell . I have removed ads form underperforming pages but the ads on specific product pages always remain as they are undoubtedly the best performers

boplicity

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Msg#: 12387 posted 11:18 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow...theres a lot you could do with this content...

If it would be considered valuable to your audience, offer it as a bonus when they subscribe to your ezine/newsletter...

Or use it as a viral marketing tool for your own website/product..(freely distributable pdf with your links in it)

Sell it....(might require good copywriting skills)

Release it in parts on your website...

etc...

For use in your marketing:

What are the most powerful things that motivate your readers? And how does your novella satisfy each of those things...?

Leva

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Msg#: 12387 posted 12:39 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the input.

I've actually got a few novels and novellas that I could put up -- I'm at that stage of writing fiction where I get personalized rejection letters. And also friends begging me for more. Sigh.

Thanks for the input, anyway -- I think on due reflection that what I'll do with it is to release it as a serial, one chapter a week, with a link to buy the whole thing for folks don't want to wait or who don't want to read it online -- I'll set up an rss feed so people can see when the next chapter's been released. And see what happens.

Leva

JaySmith

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Msg#: 12387 posted 12:52 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just gave me an idea to write a fictional novel on a personal injury lawyer that brokers mortgages on the side. His main problem is his thinning hair and need for weight loss pills and male enhancement drugs. I think this may be a best seller (in adsense dollars)..:)

FrostyMug

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Msg#: 12387 posted 1:01 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

JaySmith <- that was a good laugh. don't forget his father who's stricken with mesothelioma and waiting for a structured settlement from a vioxx attorney.

seunosewa

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Msg#: 12387 posted 1:11 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Don't forget the website hosting specialist on a cheap dedicated server who needs a credit card to pay for domain name registration.

ronburk

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Msg#: 12387 posted 5:22 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

But the really big plot complication comes when he's contacted by the barrister in charge of dispensing the $20Million fortune of an African general who just died in a plane crash. Soon, it's off to Nigeria they all go, where they encounter a surprise that will change all their lives!

toldan



 
Msg#: 12387 posted 5:33 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

But the really big plot complication comes when he's contacted by the barrister in charge of dispensing the $20Million fortune of an African general who just died in a plane crash. Soon, it's off to Nigeria they all go, where they encounter a surprise that will change all their lives!

hahahahaah.... that's a good one. :)

ronburk

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Msg#: 12387 posted 5:35 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

But seriously, if you really believe people would pay to read your work, then there's three important questions:

a) Do you have a few thousand dollars laying around?

b) Do you have the means and energy to do marketing?

c) Do you have the energy to learn about self-publishing?

(a) is rather cut and dried. You kinda need to be printing at least 1,000 copies to get the printing price down to a plausible level, figure $3,000-$4,000. Figure your cost is then $4/book. If you can manage to charge $9.99/book and pass the S&H on to the customer, you can double your money -- but more importantly, you can build a customer database that you can market to directly in the future.

(b) is crucial. Do you already have channels of commnications with 1,000 people who would be good candidates to buy your book? Maybe you're a regular in a newsgroup with a lot of lurkers, and they're all in the target audience. Maybe you only have a couple hundred candidates you can contact for free electronically, but maybe a goodly number of them are "connectors", people who will sing your praises and get lots of other people to buy.

(c) is the potentially tedious part of learning nuts and bolts of something you haven't done before. How to collect bids from printers. How to do shipping. Etc. Maybe there's a spouse/child/parent laying around who would be willing to take this task off your hands because they believe you're going to be the next Rowling (and they want a big cut of your future millions).

Self-publishing should not be discarded just because it's a hassle and you haven't done it before. Especially if you have website skills, since the website can be a big part of marketing. If you can run a competent AdSense operation, you can learn how to self-publish a book that looks professional enough that most people will assume it was done by one of the big boys.

Good luck with whatever you do with your writing!

blairsp

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Msg#: 12387 posted 9:46 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I know this is the adsense forum but are most people missing the obvious. If click through is going to be so bad(which I agree with) why don't you just use a good old fashioned cpm banner. Adsense isn't the answer to everything.

FrostyMug

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Msg#: 12387 posted 2:57 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

seriously, i like the idea of a paypal donate button.

Leva

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Msg#: 12387 posted 3:16 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ronburk -- actually, I'm fairly familiar with the fiction publishing world and spending a few grand for a fiction book for a vanity press is BAD advice for a number of reasons. The # 1 reason is you end up with a garage full of books you can't sell once you exhaust your immediate family and friends. And the pros laugh at you.

I may just put the thing up for free, serialized, on the site, to draw folks in. THe suggestion to make it available only for registered members is a good one -- it'll get people to register (and I can make a newsletter part of registration.) PPC banners aren't a bad idea if I can find some that aren't truly obnoxious.

Leva

universetoday

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Msg#: 12387 posted 3:34 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would do the following:

Make an HTML version of your book that people can browse through and read. Yes, put Adsense on those pages. You're going to have them crawled by Google, so people are going to be coming to them based on the content. Some will click ads, and others will realize this is a free novella, and go to the beginning and read.

Make a PDF version of the book that people can download or print off. Put Adsense on the page that has the download link.

Finally, sign up with Lulu.com to sell printed copies of the book. Promote that people can buy a copy if they like it in both the PDF and HTML versions.

Market the book until you think you think you're wasting your time.

Here's what might happen:
- a publisher will realize what you're doing and offer to publish it as a book.
- you'll build up a fan base of readers that you can leverage for future books. Take that list to a publisher and they'll take you seriously.
- you'll make an actual living from Adsense writing and letting people read your book for free.

You won't know until you try.

Rodney

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Msg#: 12387 posted 8:05 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ronburk -- actually, I'm fairly familiar with the fiction publishing world and spending a few grand for a fiction book for a vanity press is BAD advice for a number of reasons. The # 1 reason is you end up with a garage full of books you can't sell once you exhaust your immediate family and friends. And the pros laugh at you.

There are several companies that do print-on-demand self publishing for authors.

That way you don't have to "pre-buy" a bunch of books and you can just market your final product (they also provide the online storefront).

I've seen the quality of the final product and you couldn't tell the paperback from one you'd buy in the local bookstore.

seunosewa

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Msg#: 12387 posted 9:50 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

But the really big plot complication comes when he's contacted by the barrister in charge of dispensing the $20Million fortune of an African general who just died in a plane crash. Soon, it's off to Nigeria they all go, where they encounter a surprise that will change all their lives!

I don't get it. I don't notice any good keywords in that story. I think you're missing the point entirely.

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