| 9:21 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I don't think emails are banned - people are. Obviously people can be identified by email, name, address, websites where the ads will appear.
| 9:23 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Yes, i'ts banned too. Actually, not only your emails are banned but also you.
If you don't mind, can you tell us why you've been banned from adsense?
| 9:29 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
a friend asked for the url to this article i written on a blog, as he heard about from another friend who read it.
said blog, had adsense ads.
now, when i refreshed my adsense stats, i noticed a 670% for that particular channel. so, i asked if he by any chanced, clicked a buncha ads. he said yes, and said that he was interested in it. obviously, i wasn't impressed.
i searched around of what to do, and i think i read someone in this forum, that i should email google. so i did, explained what happened. no reply. then, about a week later, i get banned, cited invalid clicks. day after, i finally recieved my pin#. not cool.
| 9:30 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
sorry for double-post...but, is there any way i can get an adsense account?
| 9:47 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
You want advice on how to commit fraud?
| 2:43 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Before I start, please let me state categorically that I do not approve of fraud in any way whatsoever...
Right, now on with the post.
I feel that I need to speak out about a trend which is quite disappointing to watch...
It seems that every forum has a bunch of 'holier-than-thou' adsensers who have not (yet) been banned by google, and assume that everyone who has been banned is some kind of criminal.
The fact of the matter is that in most cases, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THEY WERE BANNED.
They tell you that they are innocent, and yet you put your faith in a computer algorithm which has to make a statistical judgement (AND YES, THAT IS ALL IT IS) on whether clicks are invalid or not rather than giving any credence whatsoever to their story.
How many people do you know who have failed a credit check because some other lowlife decided to clone their credit card?
How many other people do you know who have been pulled over to the side of the road and breathalysed because they drove after being in a bar (the police didn't see that they were the designated driver)?
How many other people do you know who are stopped and searched by the police because of the colour of their skin?
How many people do we all hear about who have been wrongly convicted of crimes, even using a jury system (thank god we don't have google's algorithm replacing juries.... yet)?
All I'm saying is that it is highly unlikely that 100% of all people banned from adsense either (a) clicked on their own ads or (b) encouraged someone else to click on their ads. It is only a statistical likelihood and a cursory human check that google uses to assess click fraud - there are simply too many adsense accounts to do anything else, and they'd much rather lose someone generating $10/month off adsense, than an advertiser placing multiples of that amount with them each month. It's pure commercial common sense for them to run it that way...
If what the guy says here is true, then he did (almost) everything right by checking his stats and emailing google to say that something had gone wrong. All he'd done (according to the post) was given out a url to a post his friend had an interest in. I hope he also said that his friend should not click on any of the ads (this bit is unclear). If he said "click on the ads while you're there, they make me money" then I agree with you - he's fraudulent and deserves what has come his way...
Right - rant over.
| 3:00 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I agree, I think its more a case of innocent until proven guilty, rather than guilty until proven innocent.
| 3:11 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I could care less why he got banned. The fact is he got banned and now he's soliciting ways to circumvent the system and get back in.
Maybe he didn't commit fraud. He's apparently trying to now though.
| 3:39 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Hmmm - glad I don't need to come to you to ask for advice - you might call the police for trespassing on your time!
| 3:44 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Nice one jonatahn. Totally agree with your posts. This is a sad world though. People always accuse others of something wrong. :(
| 3:57 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I'm with wyweb; I don't waste my time trying to guess whether these stories are the truth and the whole truth or not.
But to actually post in a public forum how to go about deceiving Google so that someone can get multiple accounts is just idiotic. What are we trying to do, cut our own throats here?
| 4:03 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I would not search for a way to get in. I would search for a way to reopen your old account and beg for forgiveness.
To me, if you did not fight the original charges, you felt you were at least partly in the wrong.
| 4:07 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Jonathan, if you'd seen as many "I'm innocent" posts by new members who turned out to be crooks (in some cases by their own admission in other threads), you might understand why some members default toward skepticism.
And blueheaven, Google isn't a court of law (neither is Webmaster World), so Google doesn't have to prove guilt if it wants to terminate its relationship with a publisher. The AdSense contract allows either party to bail out at any time for any reason (which is why publishers who get mad at Google can write angry posts that say "Screw Google--I've switched to YPN").
For all we know, Google might decide to break off its relationship with a publisher who has invalid clicks if:
- The site's topic or audience have a greater-than-average likelihood of repeated "invalid clicks" episodes.
- The site doesn't generate enough revenue to justify the expense of investigating or correcting invalid clicks.
The fact that the Google-publisher contract is immediately cancellable by either side is something that publishers need to keep in mind when signing up for AdSense. Few business relationships last forever, as anyone who's ever relied on freelance, consulting, or other types of self-employment income can attest.
| 4:20 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
My introduction of the word 'fraud' here was merely because he wanted advice on how to get another Adsense account when he had already been banned. I started off by writing about setting up a company/change ISP/making sure there was no connection to previous URLs - but then I realised what I was doing.
I have no reason to disbelieve his declared reason for being banned.
| 5:03 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Too many people just hear about adsense and think they will just create a website and start making thousands of dollars a month. They all think WOW google pays me for just clicks..omg thats so easy! i'll just have all my friends click on it everyday.
Google is too smart for that!
| 5:12 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I completely agree - and I'm sure that's why somewhere over 90% of accounts do get banned - and good riddance too them as they devalue the product at the expense of the honest adsensers...
All I'm saying (and I'll shut up now, I've made my point), is that undoubtedly there are some people who have been banned due to statistical probability, rather than irrefutable proof.
As another poster correctly said, Google does not need any 'proof' to terminate an account - again, just common business sense.
And I also take on board that there are a lot of 'I didn't click on my ads honest, how can I get another account so that I can ask my mates to click on ads' posts...
The general tone on the forums has just seemed a little sanctimonious for a while....
Perhaps there should be a 'I got banned from adsense' subforum, and the admin can sweep all such posts into there, and they don't bother us - either one way or the other...
| 1:06 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)|
what's with this? i didn't say anything about committing fraud. all i asked, was if there is a LEGAL way to get an adsense account, even if that means emailing google.
just because i didn't stress "legal" doesn't mean i'm looking for illegal methods. this is a public forum. that's a tad stupid.
this is how it went. friend asked for link to article, i fire it off, and i continue doing whatever i was doing at the time. and as i said, i checked my stats after a bit, and realized the big spike. i screenshot my logs (i use a free service -.-) and the adsense stats page. emailed them, telling them about that.
a week or 2 later. i get banned. i tried to appeal, firing them the screenshots and an explanation of the incident. no go. just generic google responses.
now, tell me where, did i say i wanted to illegally create an account?
i could care less if you don't believe what i say. all i'm asking, if there is a way to get an account. i have legit content on my site. the majority of the visitors to my site are from OUTSIDE my country. most people get to my site via search engine queries (msn, various google domains, etc). and you're wondering, that basically tops off what my logs can do.
| 1:08 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)|
sorry...hard to read all the posts at once.
-yes i tried to appeal
-yes, it would be good if i can reopen my account, even if that means all stats/earnings are reset
-no, i'm not looking for a way to fool google (why would i want to email google directly and try to fool them? -.-)
| 1:28 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)|
No personal offense intended. It's just that one of these threads gets started every couple of days, and a lot of people are more interested in setting up another instant site than in putting things right with G.
Anyway the first 2 responses to your question were correct - Google won't allow you to have another account, and if it discovers you opened one using another email address or in another name, it'll ban that account as well.
| 1:37 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|and I'm sure that's why somewhere over 90% of accounts do get banned |
| 5:21 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)|
i applied for a new account a few weeks after my old one got banned. i wasn't creating 2 simultaneous accounts.