|Denis at eVR|
This is well outside my league! Does anyone really get more than 750,000 hits a month on parked domain names!
Some must do, because I have seen this in action. Because it is against the AdSense terms/policies to run a regular AdSense account on parked domains, this is one way for some registrars to get some extra income via a similar program to AdSense.
Nice find Smiley, I hadn't seen Google's official information on this yet.
Yes, some do.
Most of them are domain hijackers, Ultimate Search is one of the biggest (but they work with overture).
Denis at eVR wrote:
|This is well outside my league! Does anyone really get more than 750,000 hits a month on parked domain names! |
Monus hit the nail on the head in message #5. The only parked domains that should get significant traffic are 1. those that previously hosted real sites with significant traffic and inbound links and 2. desirable domain names that get type in traffic (which aren't many).
The page did say "If your sites generate more than 750,000 page views per month" which implies the minimum isn't per-site. It's a viable option for those with hundreds of parked domains, especially if they're willing to dilute the quality of the web through techniques such as generating traffic to the parked domains through pop-ups, pop-unders, misleading links from other sites, email spam, blog spam, log spam, etc.
This is a very strange business for Google to get into.
I have strong feelings against people who simply manipulate the domain system for a living by buying huge numbers of domains to park against typo's etc.
Google is into managing massive content for searching. Domains are not content. They are however a profiteering resource for their thousands of servers.
Is this (yet another) profit making ramp-up before an IPO?
I does not suprise me. When they bought applied semantics they got a ton of URL's. AS had a lot of domains parked with search boxes on them.
Apparently this is now listed with "Google Business Solutions [google.com]" in the bottom right hand corner under "Profit from parked domains".
The page has a lastmodified of 12/5 so maybe its very new or very unannounced.
I just don't understand what Google thinks it's doing.
As it now stands, one of the most frustrating things I find as a searcher on G is navigating through all the spammy fake directory, search engine-type parked domains that clutter Google's SERPs.
Now Google is going to facilitate this!?!
You don't get 750,000 page views (or 250K as the info request page states), on a parked domain from type-through traffic alone. So, what do we have now? A user does a Google search for "blue widgets," clicks on a result and is taken to a DomainPark page. Then clicks on a 'sponsored listing.' Kaching! Money in G's pocket with no advantage to the user.
I truly hope I am totally misunderstanding this. If not, that's another self-inflicted Google shot in the foot and another nail in it's coffin.
Muddled in Manhattan,
>Is this (yet another) profit making ramp-up before an IPO?
I dont think so. Just a freebie, when they acquired Applied Semantics, a few months ago :)
IMHO, this could be better than what is out there right now. For one thing, I know how google dislikes popups, which are prevalent on these type of pages.
Actually since Google would know these are parked domains, will they exclude them automatically from search results?
If that's the case, then this might be a positive change.
Good idea about the excluding, but I think it will be more of a case of not doing anything with the SERPS. I think the people that run the search engine are served best by not being influenced in any way by the people working in the other projects Adsense/DomainPark.
Of course once this is well established, people will start saying that the SERPS are full of these sites and that Google is degrading the quality of the results in order to get a few dollars more. Which could be true, if Google people were dumb, but I don't think they are.
|Please note that the Google Sponsored Links Program is currently available only for networks receiving a minimum of 250,000 page views per month. |
|5. What is the minimum amount of traffic I need to sign up for a DomainPark account? |
Your network of sites should generate 750,000 page views per month to be eligible for the DomainPark service.
[edited by: Chndru at 3:40 pm (utc) on Dec. 8, 2003]
Most parked domains are not in Google. I don't think I have ever seen one in Google. They might be there for 30 days at the begining until google finds it. You would be suppised how well some parked domains do for just type in traffic. Companies that go out of business or mispellings.
Sedo allows you to forward parked domains to them or have them host your parked domains. Then they pay you per click based on Google AdWords. They claim the payouts to be from .03 cents per click to $1.50.
I think Google have been offering this for quite a while now. I have a site www.acid-something.com and these “domain park ads” can be found at www.acidsomething.com. It has been there for about 2 months. The thing is my site is about games and the parked page contains only ads about “acid”. I feel really sorry for the adwords advertisers who are getting their ads on a page that is predominantly viewed by people looking for games. They must only get clicks from people clicking by accident.
I think this domain parking thing is a bad idea. Firstly it promotes domain hijacking and secondly it sends poor quality traffic to adwords advertisers. I would never have thought they would go for a SPAM form of advertising, poor show Google!
If anyone wants the actual domains just sticky mail me.
It also encourages registars to delay in updating nameservers when you register.
Here is what I see... when Dotster started monetizing the parked domains they became very slow in updating their information. I suspect the trend, if it is profitable for registrars, will be to delay nameserver updates as long as possible.
|I think this domain parking thing is a bad idea. Firstly it promotes domain hijacking and secondly it sends poor quality traffic to adwords advertisers. I would never have thought they would go for a SPAM form of advertising, poor show Google! |
I agree -- this makes it all the more likely that AdWords advertisers will opt out of content ads entirely, which is bad for AdSense publishers (and Google, of course). These are the kinds of tactics that infuriated Overture advertisers and sent them packing.
What are the chances of AdWords advertisers getting an opt-in "Show my ads on parked domains" checkbox?
|Most parked domains are not in Google. I don't think I have ever seen one in Google. |
Guess I seem to run across most of them then. I'm going to have to take some lessons in Google searching 'cause I always seem to find the junk :)
The scenario jimbeetle described in message #10 is exactly what I expect to be the result of this service. Owners of parked domains will use underhanded tactics that don't improve the web surfing/searching experience to drive traffic to their parked domains, then limit exit opportunities to increase the likelihood that the ads are clicked. Bad. Very bad.
|this makes it all the more likely that AdWords advertisers will opt out of content ads entirely, which is bad for AdSense publishers |
And as an AdSense publisher and Adwords advertiser this has me concerned. Wearing my Adwords hat, if the perceived ROI decreases enough as a result of low-quality AdSense partners and DomainPark partners I'd be inclined to opt-out of content site advertising.
Though AdSense ads are a profitable option for some, many Adwords advertisers are opting out because their ROI is either too low, they think it's too low (those that don't have a way to measure accurately) and don't give it a chance b/c they heard bad things. This is entirely anecdotal and speculative, but the advertiser perception of DomainPark and the reality of the quality of the traffic, how it converts and the ROI (assuming CPC is same as through AdSense) leads me to believe this is a bad move.
Then again, if Google had separate bidding processes for 1. Google search, 2. AdSense content partners, 3. DomainPark partners and maybe even 4. Non-Google partner searches the system would allow the economics of supply and demand to play out more naturally, resulting in bid prices that are more likely to result in acceptable ROIs for DomainPark (and AdSense).
You know... We are kind of assuming the DomainPark will be considered a content site.... I think I can make an argument for it being considered as a SERP and fall under the regular adword.
I do believe that for the advertiser it would be best to break it down into segments, I also don't think it will happen anytime soon.
|You know... We are kind of assuming the DomainPark will be considered a content site.... I think I can make an argument for it being considered as a SERP and fall under the regular adword. |
spot on (imo)
>Most parked domains are not in Google.
>I don't think I have ever seen one in Google.
Some generic domainparked domains are listed within the top 10 for their generic terms. I doubt they'll ever turn now into unparked, used domains, filled with real content.
>The page has a lastmodified of 12/5 so maybe its very new or very unannounced.
Yah, better make stinky things public before the yellow press puts it on its front covers.
Anyways, that's business.
And some webmasters might feel better now with their AdSense squeezing content ersatz sites as long as they're above the critical impressions threshold. Doesn't seem to be as bad today as it has been seen yesterday. And if you risk getting a warning mail due to lack of content, you could always turn your site into parked status and apply for the google ersatz service.
Like Brian sang: "A-Always look on the bright si-i-de of life, di dum, di-dum di-dum di-dum ..."
this page [apps5.oingo.com] looks just like that Google example, no?
There's at least 250 like them in Google's search results [google.com]
I operate industrycountry.com... for about two years after the website countryindustry.com was shut down it was still No1 in the SERPS as parked domain (a flash ad for the host).
Now, another 2 years later it's still in the top ten, now redirecting to the webdesign firm that is squattign the domain... the industry has nothing to do with tech, internet or design.
By the way, check out the doubleclick ads mixed in with the adsense ads on my example above. I thought that was completely against Google's rules?
give it a break :)
this has NOTHING to do with adsense and has totally different criteria, so doubleclick or singleclick dont make no difference.
let the advertisers decide whether they want their ads on there or not.
An old site with real good backlinks can be number one for SERP's for years after it is dead and parked. I have seen it. They stay number one because of the backlinks. I know of a site that has been in the top 5 for a term that is very important to me and it has been an ASP error in the title and snippit for at least a year. Of course I am number 2. It's funny how some sites can do no wrong if you have the right backlinks. Florida did not affect it either. I saw another site that was number 3 for some pretty competitive terms and it had a for sale sign on it for 2 years in archive.org. It fell to page 3 after florida though.
Google is the biggest domain parking traffic distributor in the world. It has been doing it for couple of years with acquisition of oingo.com, now called Applied Sematics.
I'm surprised that some people here do not know that and taking Domain Park with surprise.
One of the biggest partner they have is register.com check out i.e. <snip> and you will see how it works.
[edited by: Jenstar at 6:57 am (utc) on Dec. 9, 2003]
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