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Tonight's "Money Programme" on BBC2 about Google
Did anybody learn anything from it?
david_uk




msg:1371630
 7:52 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I learned about how the name Google came about, and the spelling mistake made by Larry & Sergey.

The other thing I learned is that Google CAN identify your computer. So that begs the question as to why they don't use this facility they have to allow you to view your website and not make invalid clicks if you use that computer to log in to your adsense account. I'm sure that it brings up a whole other raft of questions.

 

OptiRex




msg:1371631
 8:21 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I learnt they weren't too keen to talk about click fraud!

It was too generic to have any depth however I felt it did show them in pretty good light although I don't think some of the authors thought so.

They could have made more about Adwords and how easy it is for everyone to use.

I'm sure that was iBill I saw staggering down the road passed those USD 5 million mansions with a bottle of tequila gold in his pocket:-))

zCat




msg:1371632
 8:21 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

When they said they can identify your computer, do they really mean the actual phyiscal computer, or the browser?
(Unfortunately I couldn't see the program(me))

david_uk




msg:1371633
 8:26 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

The programme stated that Google can identify your computer - specifically your physical hardware. Clearly they can get IP's browsers etc, but most deffinitely they can identify your hardware.

This statement was made in the context of a discussion about Google's storage of all of your past searches you have made using Google. This was put to a VP at Google, and she gave a meaningless jumble of words hoping that would suffice. The interviewer said in Typical English style "So that's a yes then?" and the VP was clearly stuck for words and just smiled.

Frank_Rizzo




msg:1371634
 8:31 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'd take watching the Money Programme with a pinch of salt.

They once did a report on the industry I am in and it was appaling - they were badly advised.

After the Ebay programme I gave up on it. Too dumb down, too much sensationalist reporting on what they want the public to hear.

So google say they can "identify your pc" and the VP just smiled when pushed? So it could be IP then? Maybe they just meant via cookies but the tape was cut when that was mentioned...

MP is not the same as it used to be. I wouldn't read too much into it. Bring back Valerie Singleton!

OptiRex




msg:1371635
 8:32 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

She can smile at me any time she likes:-)

Frank_Rizzo




msg:1371636
 8:35 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

On the point of the ability to 'physically read the hardware' I would assume this is possible with something like the google toolbar. It would try and identify the mac address and use that as a physical hardware reference.

The problem is that the masses won't have the google toolbar and millions will be using USB modems which don't have mac addresses.

Again, if the reporter pushed on that we may have had the truth.

Methinks google are flexing muscles - trying to think they have full control. It sounds great to marketing types.

Frank_Rizzo




msg:1371637
 8:36 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

BTW, what was the spelling mistake?

gogle? boogle? goolies?

:)

david_uk




msg:1371638
 8:37 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bring back Valerie Singleton!

Absolutely!

It was fairly lazy journalisn, and possibly just an excuse for the journalist and crew to get out of dear old Blighty for a free junket to the USA. But I don't think there was any doubt on either side that Google can, and do know where you live.....

The company was originally going to be called "Googol". That is a HUGE number [en.wikipedia.org...] However, they managed to mis-spell it as Google.

We also seem to have Googleplex all wrong! We refer to it as the physical HQ of Google - wrong!

"A googolplex is the number (or 10googol, or 1010,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000), that is, 1 followed by a googol (10100) zeroes."

[edited by: david_uk at 8:42 pm (utc) on Jan. 20, 2006]

Chris_R




msg:1371639
 8:39 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

> BTW, what was the spelling mistake?

I am assuming they mean the play on words from the math term Googol to Google. I don't think it was a mistake - then again I have no idea if this is what is being talked about.

OptiRex




msg:1371640
 8:42 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am assuming they mean the play on words from the math term Googol to Google.

Yep!

Play_Bach




msg:1371641
 8:47 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for mentioning this. For anybody interested, I found the links for the show here:
[news.bbc.co.uk ]
[news.bbc.co.uk ]

Will check it out now!

p.s. I stumbled across this old page (1998) on Google (back when they were called Backrub) and their hardware at the time [backrub.tjtech.org ]

sem4u




msg:1371642
 8:48 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I saw it and thought it was a pretty good programme. Didn't learn anything new, apart from the $5M houses and still having plenty in the bank!

europeforvisitors




msg:1371643
 9:35 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am assuming they mean the play on words from the math term Googol to Google.

In addition to being a play on words, it was a made-up word that could be trademarked. So much for the myth that math whizzes don't have a head for business. :-)

Leosghost




msg:1371644
 9:38 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Can someone fix the side scoll..huh ..pleeeease.. TIA

glengara




msg:1371645
 9:48 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

FYI, Googolplex is also the name of the multi-screen in Springfield ;-)

david_uk




msg:1371646
 10:24 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

FYI, Googolplex is also the name of the multi-screen in Springfield ;-)

Yes - the Wikipedia entry mentioned this.

Leosghost




msg:1371647
 10:40 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bring back Valerie Singleton!

Last time I saw her on TV she was presenting Blue Peter ..God! I must be an official old fart ..Get down Shep! ;)

2oddSox




msg:1371648
 11:05 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

In addition to being a play on words, it was a made-up word that could be trademarked

I'm currently making my way through the book 'The Google Story', and according to the author (David Vise), it was indeed a simple spelling mistake rather than any clever play on words. Even back then they were having problems coming up with a name that wasn't taken, so the mistake actually worked for them, as 'Googol' was already taken. Or so the story goes.

Event_King




msg:1371649
 12:05 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why is everyone so interested in Google? I certainly don't work for them and didn't get my invite to the Christmas party lol lol lol

It was a PR stunt to get them more coverage, and to massage a few egos. Mind you with the Feds breathing down their necks, it's probably the start of a series of campaigns for 'damage limitation'.

Oh no - I just promoted Google, what am I thinking of

:) bangs head and says DOH!

Hobbs




msg:1371650
 12:07 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

just saw the founders on abc and again privacy was one of the issues, related to the US gov requestig access to a million searches (without IP info) to estimate the children access to p0rn and Google refused while AOL and MSN complied! anyway they said in that program that Google gets one million daily visitors!
Also today in an msnbc report on Google I heard a guy saying that there are 15 Billion p0rn sites and he was not joking about it!
The media really has no idea :)

gpmgroup




msg:1371651
 12:27 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

The media really has no idea

May be not but it can be very expensive - the Google Shareprice down 8.5% in a single day today.

longen




msg:1371652
 12:58 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

The programme stated that Google can identify your computer - specifically your physical hardware

Isn't that how Microsoft does its Windows authentication when you install XP.

kartiksh




msg:1371653
 5:33 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Isn't that how Microsoft does its Windows authentication when you install XP.

Using their own developed OS code, however Google i assume via internet. Its a big difference.

jomaxx




msg:1371654
 8:02 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

they said in that program that Google gets one million daily visitors!

That's vastly understated. There are different ways of defining what a visitor is, but by any measurement it's got to be far higher than that.

joeking




msg:1371655
 3:39 pm on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Going back to the spelling of Google, the programme said that the founders pinned the new name (Google.com) to the door for employees to see - and one of them pointed out that it had been spelled wrongly.

But google.com it was.

Nothing to do with being clever and trademarks. Just a simple mistake.

Which just goes to show that even those with ideas that change the world are humans like you and me afterall.

maxgoldie




msg:1371656
 4:04 pm on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I always thought that the name was a portmanteau which came from "Go Ogle" (like as in "Go Look")...

europeforvisitors




msg:1371657
 4:54 pm on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

the programme said that the founders pinned the new name (Google.com) to the door for employees to see - and one of them pointed out that it had been spelled wrongly.

That's a different story than what was told in the past. But then, any historian is used to reading alleged facts that contradict each other. :-)

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