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Why Do Adsensers Dread The Title "WEBMASTER"?
Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants, Astronauts Are Proud Of Their Profession
Mistra

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Msg#: 11522 posted 10:39 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

It is funny to read the thread started by spaceylacie (i.e. When people ask, "So, what do you do?" [webmasterworld.com...] ) and how it was renamed as "The Question Every Webmaster Dreads: "What do you do for a living?" at Webmasterword's home page.

I think it should be renamed "Every Adsenser Dreads" instead of "Webmaster."

Being a full time webmaster for more than 6 years, I am proud of this profession. I think webmaster is a glamorous job just like lawyer, doctor, accountant, pilot, and actors even though I am not earning as much as them.

Those who should dread about being asked "What do you do for a living?" should be toilet cleaners, rubbish collectors, undertakers, etc. Here in Singapore (according to an article published by a local newspaper), these are the peoples who find it difficult to find a date, because women here do not find these jobs "glamorous." They do not want to tell others that their husbands are working as a toilet cleaner, coffin maker, etc.

Dear Adsensers,

Why do you dread the question "What do you do for a living?"?

I can't think of any other reasons why you dread this question except that either:

(1) You are not really a webmaster or web developer and have no knowledge of web programming. Therefore, you are afraid to tell others that you are a webmaster. You are afraid that others might ask you some tough programming questions.

(2) You are being greedy. This I can understand. If you are a goldminer and you found gold, of course you do not want to tell others about it.

(3) You are afraid of generating false clicks from well-intended friends. This is the number one reason I do not want others to know that I am affiliated with Google.

Is there a Toiletcleanerworld forum? Will anyone pay to be a member of such forum? I can't find such forum. Therefore, I think every webmaster should be proud of their profession. Only Adsensers are having trouble telling others about what they are doing for a living that is due to certain reasons that is difficult to explain.

 

BuildHome

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Msg#: 11522 posted 10:46 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm a webmaster for several years and everyone who asked me what I do I always told him "webmaster / SEO".

Only the ones who use FrontPage or using a free blog system can't actually say that they are really webmasters.

Mistra

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Msg#: 11522 posted 10:48 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, I can understand that. Sometimes I am afraid of being associated with someone's little niece who has a Geocities home page.

malachite

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Msg#: 11522 posted 11:09 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think most people tend to think of "webmaster" as someone who builds websites for other people. If that's what you do, fine! Say you're a webmaster.

Some of us on here don't build websites for other people. Not because we can't, but because we don't want to. Personally, I'd never describe myself as a webmaster, because I don't want the inevitable questions/comments:

1) can you make one for me
2) how much do you charge for that
3) oh yes, little Johhny next door does that

If I use the word "web" at all, it's in conjunction with "publisher". That way folk usually understand that I publish magazine-type things rather than build websites.

Marketing Guy

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Msg#: 11522 posted 11:16 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I usually go with SEO (or say I'm "in Internet Marketing", which seems to be a concept people understand better) down to the fact that what I do has more of a marketing focus than a technical one.

Got to say though - I kinda object to the Frontpage slagging - I started off using Frontpage and while I use DW / hand code now, my FP sites from days gone by are seriously out-classing and out-ranking many other sites created by "real" webmasters. ;)

It's kinda like saying Rally Drivers aren't "real Rally Drivers" if they drive a Ford Escort and not a Subaru Impreza (maybe a bad analogy - don't know cars that well) - hell, if you win the race then you are as good as the rest (or better).

If you run a website on a full time basis (ie you do it professionally) and aren't just playing around with HTML editors / blogs / geocities / whatever, then you are as much a Webmaster as anyone else. How you got there and how you did it is irrelevant.

People may argue that there has to be x, y or z technical knowledge / ability necessary to be a webmaster and while that is true to a certain event, I think it's largely down to web designers and web developers to bring the technical skills to the table - a webmaster is more of a project management / general admin / maintainence type role. A webmaster should have sufficient knowledge to understand industry concepts and a technical ability to implement basic concepts, but the advanced stuff is down to designers / developers.

Managing Directors are no less "worthy" of the title if they don't have an MBA. Business Owners have no less right to run their own business if they have no experience in marketing / finance / law / sales / or anything else.

The only reason there is some resentment towards less technically inclined webmasters is that the vast majority of people in the role do have a reasonably full technical skill set.

But if you want to split hairs on the subject, I would point out that today, particularly in the SEO field (in terms of self-employment / Adsense / 1 man operations), "webmasters" need to be much more business savvy and most are not. And as such, most are as close to "search marketing" or "Internet marketing" as pyramid marketing schemes are to traditional marketing - ie, bottom of the spectrum.

While some might find it amusing (or indeed feel resentfull) that "webmasters" can create and monetise a site using a low end tech application such as Frontpage, I find it absolutely hilarious that infinitely more "search marketers" can create (technically) superior products and fail to monetise them at all. ;)

MG

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 11522 posted 11:27 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think the main reason people would not say they are webmasters is that it is a totally undefined title. Even those who so describe themselves are often describing different things.

When you say you are a doctor or a lawyer it is broadly clear to people what you do. Of course there are innumerable specialist areas within each one, but there is a basic skillset common to members of each profession and it defines them.

But what skill set exactly is the core one that allows use of the title Webmaster? It is commonly defined as anything from "The person responsible for maintaining and updating a Web site." to encompassing all manner of skills in involved with creating, marketing or programming sites. It is far from clear.

It is not clear at all.

[edited by: abbeyvet at 11:31 am (utc) on Jan. 13, 2006]

jetteroheller

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Msg#: 11522 posted 11:30 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Simple because there had been doctors and doctors.

In past centuries doctors made many severe mistakes and aktually killed many patients with inappropriate treatments.

So is it now with webmasters. Many of them are like the doctors from earlier centuries. Only a few of them are like the doctors today.

jchampliaud

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 11:39 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't really have a problem with calling myself a Webmaster. It's on my business card along with publisher. But I have to say ‘web marketer’ or ‘Internet marketing’ does sound nice. Might change to that.

gendude

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Msg#: 11522 posted 2:43 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sometimes I am afraid of being associated with someone's little niece who has a Geocities home page.
It's not just that, it's the association with certain businesses on the internet (i.e. adult-oriented), and most importantly, as was pointed out, it's not all-encompassing of what many of us do.

Granted I come from a technical background, but when I hear webmaster, I think of somebody who manages a website or hosting for websites, i.e. somebody who handles the technical side of a website. Most of us do a lot more than that - in addition to managing, we write articles, handle advertising, licensing, publishing for others, etc. etc.

I'm going to come up with a new phrase for us:

Weblisher - Webmaster + Publisher

If blog/blogging/blogger can become a word, why not?

Pubmaster doesn't work for most of us, although those of us who spend a lot of times in pubs might like the title :-)

edit: Dang, a search on Google turns up 10 pages of links using the word weblisher.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 2:49 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

My "profession" (or occupation, which would be a better term) isn't being a Webmaster.

I'm a writer, editor, and publisher.

I may be a "Webmaster" to the degree that I operate and manage a Web site, but being a Webmaster isn't what I do for a living. (Think of a salesman who drives a car from sales call to sales call: His work may involve driving, but he isn't a driver by trade.)

Frequent

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 2:56 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ooooh... "PubMaster". That is definately my new title.

Freq---

celgins

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 3:28 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I really don't care what I'm called. I don't believe that the average person understands the titles anyway. While I would love to disassociate myself with the "12-year old Geocities webmaster", it's difficult to change the perception when people see the term, "webmaster" in different ways.

It's like someone who has a backache and runs to the pharmacy to get naproxen sodium for relief. Sure, his tactics for easing his pain will help, but he's no doctor. Only someone close to the profession with years of experience can adequately diagnose/inspect/resolve those medical issues.

Similarly, I would hope that most people don't think a 12-year old, Geocities site designer is comparable to true "webmasters". The true, "webmaster" may do it for a living, can generate revenue from it, and knows how to diagnose/inspect/resolve those technical issues that may arise.

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 11522 posted 3:40 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Only the ones who use FrontPage can't actually say that they are really webmasters.

Ouch! Wrong place to be dropping comments like that! ;)

I prefer CWO as opposed to Webmaster. I am no ones master (at least I don't think so). But, I do fill the roll of Chief Web Officer. Just sounds more official. ;)

Corrected capitalization so I don't appear clueless, see comments below...

[edited by: pageoneresults at 3:54 pm (utc) on Jan. 13, 2006]

woop01

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 3:44 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Only the ones who use FrontPage or using a free blog system can't actually say that they are really webmasters.

Well crud. So what do you call yourself if you use Frontpage to bring in six-figures?

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 3:50 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

One has to expect clueless remarks from people who don't know that "Web" and "Webmaster" are capitalized. :R-)

pageoneresults

WebmasterWorld Senior Member pageoneresults us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 3:52 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well crud. So what do you call yourself if you use Frontpage to bring in six-figures?

An Internet Entrepreneur working towards an early retirement! ;)

But, I do fill the roll of Chief Web Officer. Just sounds more official. ;)

Typo correction on the above. It should be role, not roll!

fischermx

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 4:29 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)


I'm going to come up with a new phrase for us:
Weblisher - Webmaster + Publisher

Sure a new one. Check out the weblisher dot com registration date, LOL.

BTW, I think somehow web publisher is bigger than webmaster.
I describe my self as webmaster, but my business is webpublishing.
Webmaster is someone who take cares of a website in many aspects. But Web publisher is definitely the owner of the darn thing.

twist

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 4:41 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

A persons level of knowledge in technology would be an ever increasing downward slope on a graph. The more you learn, the more you realize how little you really know or understand.

When I learned HTML, I considered myself a webmaster.

When I learned about client-side script, I was demoted.

When I learned about server-side script, I was demoted again.

When I tried learning about databases, my rank became webamature.

The only true sign of intelligence is knowing how ignorant you are. I know enough now to know that I will never be a Master of the Web.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 4:49 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I describe my self as webmaster, but my business is webpublishing.

To make matters even more complicated, the word "publisher" has a different meaning in AdSenseSpeak than it does in the world at large. To Google AdSense, a publisher is anyone who belongs to the AdSense network and runs AdSense ads. To the world at large, the owner of an e-commerce site or an affiliate site that runs AdSense ads wouldn't be a "publisher"; he or she might be a "retailer," an "entrepreneur," or a "business owner," but not a "publisher" (since "publishing" is normally associated with gathering, packaging, and distributing information, as in publishing a book, a magazine, a research database, etc.).

cerebrum

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Msg#: 11522 posted 4:55 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think its time for Universities to start a web development course and award a degree called "Webmaster".

Mistra

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Msg#: 11522 posted 5:05 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think its time for Universities to start a web development course and award a degree called "Webmaster".

Major in HTML.

RFOL.

celgins

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 5:19 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are a number of colleges and universities in the U.S. that offer Web Administration degrees.

I'm not sure about other countries, but definitely here.

Imagine yourself in an interview stating, "Yes sir....I hold a Bachelor of Science degree in Web Development".

The interviewer then asks you: "Hmmm. I have a 12-year old daughter who does web development. How is it different?"

LOL

WallyWorld

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Msg#: 11522 posted 5:23 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

The term "webmaster" often refers to an employee who maintains a company's website or someone who builds websites for others. Just as saying that you are an accountant because you keep your own company books, neither would describe what you do for a living. Thus, "webmaster" is not an appropriate "catch all" title for someone who is selfemployed.

I usually just say "I run an online business" and let it go at that unless someone wants details.

twist

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 6:16 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

To become a medical doctor can take over ten years of hard work yet doctors don't call themselves MedicalGods. Doctors tell people they practice medicine. Webmaster sounds pretentious.

ndaru

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Msg#: 11522 posted 6:23 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't dread the title of Webmaster. Webmaster builds and maintains websites, while trying to make it popular and profitable (sometimes in the adsense-sphere, being profitable is just enough). All that requires skills, which require months and years of learning and experiments.

I admit, I'm not a full-time webmaster, only doing site-building outside my office hour. If someone asked me, "What do you do with your spare time?", I just said that "I build and maintain a website. It's quite popular, you know".

It really useful, especially when I didn't feel like telling the person in front of me that I earn money from the internet.

Those who should dread about being asked "What do you do for a living?" should be toilet cleaners, rubbish collectors, undertakers, etc. Here in Singapore (according to an article published by a local newspaper), these are the peoples who find it difficult to find a date, because women here do not find these jobs "glamorous." They do not want to tell others that their husbands are working as a toilet cleaner, coffin maker, etc.

A bit off-topic here, but those are honest and tiring jobs you are mentioning, man. Pity your country's women, only looking for men with "glamorous" jobs. Do you honestly want to merry those kind of women? Will they dump you if you lose your "glamorous" job? Again, those are honest and tiring jobs you are mentioning.

fischermx

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 6:35 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)


A bit off-topic here, but those are honest and tiring jobs you are mentioning, man. Pity your country's women, only looking for men with "glamorous" jobs. Do you honestly want to merry those kind of women? Will they dump you if you lose your "glamorous" job? Again, those are honest and tiring jobs you are mentioning.

Jesuschrist!
I mean Jesus Christ is here among us, or someone else with his size.
Common, I say, really, common!
Like if it were anormal to do that.

Well, may be the thing is Glamourous women look for men with glamourous jobs.
Of course toilet cleaners still get married... with women with not so glamourous jobs as well.

cerebrum

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Msg#: 11522 posted 6:38 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Will they dump you if you lose your "glamorous" job?

Yes women dump you if you loose glamorous jobs. The women only looks for the best and able mate.

jessejump

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 11522 posted 3:11 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Having difficulty answering the question, "What do you do for a living"? implies you don't get out enough.
After 30 seconds, no one cares what you do for a living.

Nick Jachelson

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Msg#: 11522 posted 3:31 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, at best you can say you're the founder and CEO of your own media company.

At worst, you're a contractor for Google (which is pretty impressive nowadays too).

I don't think there is anything embarassing about this type of job. I find it a lot more glamorous and interesting than most "old school" jobs. Do lawyers or doctors earn money while they sleep?

Next time you're in a pub and want to impress someone with your job, just tell them you're making money RIGHT NOW, while you sit back and drink that pint. :)

Small Website Guy

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Msg#: 11522 posted 5:07 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Webmastering is not a profession.

And if my full time income was from manging my own websites, I would say I was self-employed in internet marketing, which would be a more accurate description anyway.

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