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Domainers making Millions
Instead of Selling Domains for Profit, they Now Show Ads
guru5571

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Msg#: 11369 posted 9:30 pm on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't know how many of you have read the Business 2.0 article on Domainers. These guys get hundreds of thousands of domain names that are essentially just words or phrases that people commonly search for just by typing them into the url bar on the browser.

Some of them are selling their own in house ads, but plenty are straight up MFA sites with zero content. One site profiled in the article <snip> has serious Adsense TOS violations. They have snipped up the Adsense code to display a column of 10 Adsense ads. The guy who runs the site is standing there with his picture in Business 2.0, raking cash by abusing Adsense and taking money that should go to real content providers.

What say you ASA?

[edited by: martinibuster at 5:41 am (utc) on Jan. 5, 2006]
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incrediBILL

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Msg#: 11369 posted 9:08 am on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sour Grapes.

They thought of it first.

jtara

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Msg#: 11369 posted 11:06 am on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sour Grapes.

They thought of it first.

Not at all. Glad I DIDN'T try it. Not a way I'd want to make money.

I note that the sites belonging to the fellow who was interviewed in the Business 2.0 article on domain parking have been taken down. Think he's happy now he ran his mouth bragging about what he was doing?

Some people would rather make a dishonest dime than an honest dollar.

I find the whole faux content schtick to be quite distasteful. Quite aside from whatever effect it has on my own business (and it probably has little effect, as I avoid Content Network) it offends me as an "Internet Citizen".

I've been around since Arpanet. It is sad to see what is being made of the Internet. Useless drivel delivered when meaningful words are sought.

Rodney

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Msg#: 11369 posted 11:23 am on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not all type-in domains show up in serps and not all the sites you see in serps that look like type-in domains are using domainpark.

There are lots of payperclick advertising services out there for domainers, adsense is just one revenue stream (and not always the best). Some good typeins have direct sold ads to advertisers because the quality of the leads is so high (as in the examples webwork mentioned).

If a domainpark domain shows up in the serps higher than other major content sites, then that is a Google Search problem because it is not finding more relevant sites. The whole point of domainpark domains is that they get traffic on their own without the need for serps.

Google tells advertisers that they *can* show up on large partner sites like AOL, etc, and they deliver on that. No bait and switch there. It would be bait and switch if you *couldn't* show up on partner sites even though they advertised it. In addition to the major partner sites like AOL, there are also smaller partner sites like those run by many of the folks in this forum (all with varying levels of quality). In addition to those partner sites, you can also show up on domainpark domains that get highly targeted traffic through type in browsing.

An MFA that is showing up prominently in serps is most likely not a domainpark domain. If it is, then is more of an anomaly than the norm.

davec

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Msg#: 11369 posted 12:03 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some people would rather make a dishonest dime than an honest dollar.

Quite the opposite, I think people would rather make a questionably honest dollar than an honest cent.

d

Freedom

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Msg#: 11369 posted 1:41 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think more posters here should have read that article in Business 2.0

I read it. Twice. And it was a real eye opener. One domain name guru accounts for 1 percent of Yahoo's $3 Billion in revenue.

These guys saw an opportunity and dove in. They were buying up domains in 2001-2003 when the internet recession came and others were bailing out.

Type in traffic has a value and these major leaguers are cashing in. Whether these domain parkers are MFA or not, is an ethical debate Google and Yahoo couldn't care less about when they are making this much money.

Big boys like them play by a different set of rules then the rest of us.

If these aggregators are a negative, then market forces will take care of them eventually. We all reap what we sow. We all get what we deserve whether it's riches or poverty.

By playing fast and loose with website quality as it relates to Google brand or Yahoo brand advertising could possibly catch up to everyone here if web surfers catch on and back off from these ads through blindness or disrespect.

Whether that happens or not I think more publishers need to swallow the pill that they are not the internet's elitists, we are not major players able to get the rules bent for us, we carry no influence and have no trump cards to play.

We are small timers and we also get what we deserve.

If you don't like it, then become a major league player through your own hard work and intelligence. If you can't do it, then you weren't smart enough and you didn't work hard enough.

Your only other choice is to become a socialist and move to Cuba or North Korea where your income will be distributed "equally."

percentages

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Msg#: 11369 posted 2:03 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

>Whether that happens or not I think more publishers need to swallow the pill that they are not the internet's elitists

So your advice is that we should all become "black hats"?

I wouldn't actually disagree with that concept as one of those "black hats" that has made a pretty penny out of being so for many years!

The thing that always gets me are the "elitists" that imagine we all live in a nice World where everyone should look after each other and behave accordingly!

Wake up people, when did anyone last send you a check for just being a nice person?

Freedom

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Msg#: 11369 posted 2:41 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Black hat? What?

Read the article and you'll see what I mean by elitist. They profile the biggest domain name owners and that's what I meant by major leaguers and elitists.

One domainer has 100,000 domain names and earns $19 million in profits. Another owns 5,000 and brings in $2 million a year, and there is more like them. These guys are market shapers.

Just get the magazine and read the article.

Zygoot

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Msg#: 11369 posted 3:12 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

For the ones who don't have this magazine, including me ;), here's a link to the online article:

[money.cnn.com...]

rogerd

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Msg#: 11369 posted 3:16 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

One aspect that has been largely missing from this discussion is ROI data. If clicks from ads on parked domains generate a positive ROI, who can complain? (One can make the same point about spammy scraper sites, although those sites aren't desirable since they reduce the quality of the search experience.) Conversely, if parked domain clicks convert exceptionally poorly (unlikely, but possible), these sites detract from Google's program.

Webwork made a thoughtful argument that type-in traffic to a particular domain name is highly targeted, and that someone who types in steelwidgets.com is at least as likely to convert as someone who searches Google for "steel widgets". I don't see a flaw in this argument, although the real test (as always) is analysis of actual data.

We can argue 'til the cows come home about whether a parked domain click is better or worse than a search click, or a "real" content site click, but only the data tells the real story.

Angelis

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Msg#: 11369 posted 4:04 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why not just turn the content network ads off?

I have them turned off for a reason, this being one of them, no need to blast Google for it, they are a business in the business to make money. They are not a charity, if you dont like it just turn the content network off...

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 11369 posted 4:20 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

They are not a charity, if you dont like it just turn the content network off...

That may be a valid suggestion in the AdWords forum, but since this is the AdSense forum (which is geared to publishers), the focus of the discussion is a bit different.

farmboy

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Msg#: 11369 posted 4:36 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Type in traffic has a value and these major leaguers are cashing in. Whether these domain parkers are MFA or not, is an ethical debate Google and Yahoo couldn't care less about when they are making this much money.

Big boys like them play by a different set of rules then the rest of us.

What you seem to be saying is this is business - not a social program. I more or less agree.

Someone else mentioned sour grapes. There may be some sour grapes involved with some people. But that doesn't preclude a good debate on ethics and/or whether various practices are good for the Internet.

Consider the following:
"The perfect search engine," says Google co-founder Larry Page, "would understand exactly what you mean and give back exactly what you want." Given the state of search technology today, that's a far-reaching vision requiring research, development and innovation to realize. Google is committed to blazing that trail. Though acknowledged as the world's leading search technology company, Google's goal is to provide a much higher level of service to all those who seek information, whether they're at a desk in Boston, driving through Bonn, or strolling in Bangkok.

That's from the page where Google publicly states their corporate philosphy. Some of the things that consistently and increasingly are included in Google's search results and issues discussed in this thread seem to be at odds with the above statement.

Below the above statement, in item #1 there is:

By always placing the interests of the user first...

Again, Google doesn't offer up the "It's just business" defense, they offer an idealistic statement. And with that, IMO, they open to door to closer examination.

Maybe this discussion should instead focus on what is best for the end user. That seems to be Google's stated goal. The situation that develops then, as I see it, is that if it can be argued that domains with lots of ads, MFA sites, etc. are good for the end user, then any prohibitions against them should be removed from the AdSense terms and just open the market for everyone.

If lots of ads on someone's domain collection that gets 750,000 page views are good for each end user that visits, why aren't the ads on a domain that gets 75 page views good for each end user that visits?

Later on in the corporate philosphy under item #6 is this:

Google firmly believes that ads can provide useful information if, and only if, they are relevant to what you wish to find.

Put that together with the ideal of producing what is best for the end user, and Google seems to be saying that ads that lead to more ads are relevant and useful. OK, so that's their philosphy and that clears up a lot of "why do they allow this..." type questions.

But it certainly seems to be at odds, at least to some extent, with
...understand exactly what you mean and give back exactly what you want...

FarmBoy

percentages

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Msg#: 11369 posted 4:36 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

The "fault" here is with the general user.

Yes, as webmasters we know when we hit a "domainers" site or a spammy site. We most likely backup or close our browsers at that time and try again.

BUT, and it is a huge BUT, you have to remember that the vast majority of the population are not webmasters or even Internet savvy.

These sites make money from those that don't know what they are looking at, and clicking on anything that they think might be relevant.

You might think this is only a problem for the user, but, actually it is also a problem for those that are "Domainers" and "Spammers".

Too many clicks from a single user will cause you trouble, and it is unbelievable how many people will click on an Ad, then realize it is an Ad, backup up and then click on another Ad, many times over and over again!

I have to negotiate my way out of this activity time & time again. It isn't my fault the users are so stupid that they blindly click on Ads, back up and then do it again. The activity would/can look abnormal until you understand what the "Average Joe" actually does.

"Domainers" are simply taking advantage of the non-Internet-savvy. So are the PPC search providers (mainly Google & Yahoo). The traffic converts at an acceptable rate, so the advertisers are also happy campers.

I personally think "Domainers" are missing a trick, their traffic is totally reliant on type-in users. If you own that many domains you may as well host the puppies and make them "spam" sites instead.....the returns are greater!

interbuy

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Msg#: 11369 posted 4:39 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

One thing that I warned about previously was that adwords ads were showing up on some very hard core, even illegal keyword terms via Domainpark.

I am talking about domain names that can get you banned from your credit card processor, just from sending a click from your affiliate link that originated from one of those "banned keywords" that are in the domainpark domain name.

This is not trivial as I know of a client who had their billing account closed and all moneys forfeited for sending traffic to a sponsor program that originated from a G Domainpark page with "banned keywords"

I have noticed many mainstream sites can also show up on these Domainparked domains by surfers clicking on the side bar for other terms like "hotels"

However, the refererer header is still bad#*$!term.tld

wheel

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Msg#: 11369 posted 1:46 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> Why not just turn the content network ads off?

Because it seems that these ads are being shown on the *search* network, not the content network. Kinda scammy huh? You'd think that to have your ads in the search network that your ads would be showing up beside people who are looking at search results. You'd think that (and I did up until I read this thread), but you'd be wrong. And thus the reason people are upset.

Angelis

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Msg#: 11369 posted 2:37 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

If they are being shown on the search network then yes I agree.

jonathanleger

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Msg#: 11369 posted 3:37 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

First, Yehaw! for the mods putting this thread back up (can you tell I'm from Texas?). It is a great thread and is a topic that deserves attention.

Second:

Has to be either:

- Paid advertising, most likely in violation of the ad network's TOS

- Spam placed on message boards, blogs, etc.

This is just one of a quite a few quotes from posts here that are basically saying that parked domains are using black hat SEO, spam or illegal PPC to get traffic.

They don't need to! Like I said earlier, these guys are smart--they buy expired domains that already have traffic and earn from them for as long as they can (plus whatever type-in traffic they might get).

I agree with Freedom. People who are smart and business savvy become the big dogs, and the big dogs don't have to follow the same rules as everybody else. They are allowed to be exceptions because of how much they earn for the companies in question (i.e. Google doesn't let the small publishers modify their AdSense layout, but the big earners can make the ads look just about any way they want). I don't think this is always a good thing, but in this case I think people are misunderstanding how these parked domains get their traffic and making a lot of assumptions about everything they are doing that is "wrong" that they simple do not have to do (illegal ppc, spam, etc).

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 11369 posted 5:06 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

But that doesn't preclude a good debate on ethics and/or whether various practices are good for the Internet.

I don't see the ethical issues with owning a pile of domain names and marketing them.

Doesn't really detract from anyone except those that forgot to renew their domains and site around scowling that what was once theirs is now in a domain park.

Have I reminded people that the greedy domain park business is why I pay a few years in advance and my big money making domains are prepaid for 10 years?

You only have to lose one domain name (PR6) to learn that lesson. However, the last laugh was on them, the idiot tha bought it did something bad and now it's a PR0.

'Nuff said

jtara

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Msg#: 11369 posted 6:35 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

It isn't my fault the users are so stupid that they blindly click on Ads, back up and then do it again. The activity would/can look abnormal until you understand what the "Average Joe" actually does.

LOL! Now I know what Google means when they counter a fradulent-click report with "it appears to be normal user activity"!

jtara

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Msg#: 11369 posted 6:54 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is just one of a quite a few quotes from posts here that are basically saying that parked domains are using black hat SEO, spam or illegal PPC to get traffic.

They don't need to! Like I said earlier, these guys are smart--they buy expired domains that already have traffic and earn from them for as long as they can (plus whatever type-in traffic they might get).

I was referring to a specific operation that I uncovered. Almost certainly not expired domain names, because they all have hyphens in them, and follow a pattern - common suffixes or prefixs among hundreds of domains in a group.

These are the type of domain names that are unlikely to generate type-in traffic, because they are long and contain multiple words seperated by hyphens.

So, while what you say may be true for domainers in general, that's not the case in this particular example.

Some more information came out from the Google end-user who first reported this. It seems that she or he (I'll call them Mr. X) had followed an MSN natural search result to one of the keyword-spam sites.

The case is particularly illustrative of how the problem has progressed. Mr. X gave a detailed synopsis of his search.

Two years ago, Mr. X had purchased a used widget, and needed information on the widget. He needed some information on how to configure the widget. He did a targeted search using the model number of the widget, and indicating that he wanted to know how to configure the widget. Sure enough, the first search result gave him a nice illustration of how to configure the widget. He configured the widget and was happy. Very happy, in fact. It was one of his first Internet experiences, and he was thrilled at how easy it was to find widget configuration information, and it made an impression.

Unfortunately, he failed to print out the diagram showing him how to configure the widget.

Two years later (a week or so ago) he pulled the widget out of a closet (it had fallen into disuse) and need to re-configure the widget. No problem, he said, I'll just search for that widget configuration illustration again.

He did a search, and what did he get as the top search result in MSN? A page with keywords down the right-hand side with widget-related keywords, and some Adsense ads. Clicking on any keyword gave him nonsense text talking about the difficulty of finding widget information, and how one must carefully craft a widget-search strategy and one will be rewarded. Clicking on any keyword returned similar nonsense.

Now, this end-user was one smart cookie. He didn't click on the ads. He clicked on the "advertise here" link to find out who was responsible for driving him around in circles. He then went and complained to those who "advertise here".

fischermx

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Msg#: 11369 posted 10:27 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

martinibuster:
I thank God for your message # 10, please don't stop to teach how the world works to some of these whining kids (not all!).

MrMacphisto

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Msg#: 11369 posted 9:39 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

If I'm using FireFox and I just type in a phrase in the address bar I'm sent to Google's 'I'm feeling lucky' result. No?

If I enter a phrase in IE's address bar it tries to send me to the site at 'phrase.com'. No?

So this will all come crashing to an end when IE7 sends them to a MSN version of 'this is the best result'. No?

(sure, not everyone will be upgrading to IE7)

dauction

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Msg#: 11369 posted 10:06 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm a domanier as well as developer ... dropped names have absolutely no business in the SERPS (unless of course they are returned to devloped website status)...

same with TYPE_IN domains..that's the beauty and arrogance of owning True type-in domains.. they dont need no stinking search engine

As far as advertising on them.. you cant gte any more targetted traffic ..that's the whole point of owning a type-in parked domain ..to send advertisers TARGETTED traffic .

But PARKED domains have no business in the serps IMO ..I say that even though I own a few hundred parked domains

Atomic

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Msg#: 11369 posted 11:10 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am still of the opinion that the only reasons these domains make money is because Google tricks advertisers into placing their ads on them. If advertisers weere told up front that the Search Partner network included parked domains they would be less inclined to check that box. The parked domain program is very hard to find. You have to really look for it which ads to the feeling that it's actually hidden so that people won't notice where their ads are going to show up.

I think it's only a matter of time before we see some sort of lawsuit involving this. Nevermind whether showing ads on parked domains is right or not. The real issue is the method Google uses to get ads on them. Bait and switch is wrong and anyone that's experienced it feels wronged.

dauction

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Msg#: 11369 posted 11:36 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Atomic ..have you ever really given thought asto whether most advertisors want ads on parked names or not?

With Type-in domains..Most advertisors want their ads on those Parked domains ..because the traffic is targetted ..and have a better conversion rate.

I do agree though the network should be moreclear.. advertisors should be able to make that determination themselves ..in an obvious way.

My main issue is that dropped domains showing up in the serps..if you accidently forget to renewyour domain that had 500 pages on it... and the domainer that picks it up on drop PARKS it ..why or why is it in the SERPS..

That seems very contradictory to the Adsense TOS ..actually pretty clear cut ..if it's in the serps it needs to at least resemble a web site.

I dont mind Parking .. it definently has it's place ..but in the Serps is not one of those plces .

There's a big difference between a Parked domain that gets natural Type-ins taht advertisors would want and dropped Domains that were previous websites now littering the serps.. that may or may not be worth advertising on

Atomic

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Msg#: 11369 posted 11:46 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Atomic ..have you ever really given thought asto whether most advertisors want ads on parked names or not?

I sure have. Obviously it's going to depend on your own experience but mine has been that the parked domains bring fraudulent clicks. I can't prove it but I have a hard time believing that my experience is unique.

And once again the main point is skipped: that Google does their best to hide the fact that ads are going to be shown on parked domains. It's one thing to have a choice about it but when it's hidden from you the choice never even existed. A lot of people here are debating a choice that doesn't really exist for many advertisers.

dauction

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Msg#: 11369 posted 12:32 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

And once again the main point is skipped: that Google does their best to hide the fact that ads are going to be shown on parked domains

I did address that Point when I said

"I do agree though the network should be more clear.. advertisors should be able to make that determination themselves ..in an obvious way. "

Are you clear as to the differnce between Type-IN domains and other parked domains?

All Parked domains are not created equally..and that's why I belive advertisors should have choice ..

Type-ins are quality traffic ..someone actually typed in their url address bar whatever.com becuas e of an expectation that the product or informatiion they are looking for will be at that addrss.. thats highly desirable traffic..

Traffic to and Old dropped domain (old website) more likely has diluted traffic .. more generic less quality and more potential to have been involved with black hat properties that can indeed be more nefarious ... the very reason a blackhat developer may have dropped the name in the first place and now all of a sudden here it is in the serps as a parked page..

I think were talking about the same thing ---- The quality of Traffic---

My only issue is you are labeling all parked traffic as somehow evil ..and that simply isnt true .. BUT yes you should have the right to NOT hav eyour ads appear on any parked page if you dont want it to be ...thats your point and I agree

My other position is simply that Parked pages have no business being in the serps at all ..

fischermx

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Msg#: 11369 posted 12:48 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Something noone have stated. Google is not the only advertising program for parked pages. They existed way before Google adsense.

Atomic

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Msg#: 11369 posted 1:42 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am well aware what type-in traffic is and that may be very good quality traffic but from what I have seen that's a tiny fraction of AdWords for domains. My problem is not type-in traffic. My problem is the other 95% of traffic coming from the parked domains. My problems is when they advertise to direct people to what is essentially an MFA site. My problem is when Google tricks people into getting their ads on these MFA sites. I didn't get to experience any of this high quality traffic you speak of but my hat's off to those of you that have.

All parked domains may not be bad but the program itself has a LOT of problems that need to be addressed.

Rodney

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Msg#: 11369 posted 7:28 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

If I'm using FireFox and I just type in a phrase in the address bar I'm sent to Google's 'I'm feeling lucky' result. No?

This is different from the way the type-in domains are useful.

People don't just type in a phrase in the address bar, they type in a phrase with an actual .COM at the end of it.

If they are looking for red widget socks, they don't type in redwidgetsocks or red widget socks, many people actually type in redwidgetsocks.COM out of curiosity hoping to find red widget socks at their destination.

That's why this type of traffic has been popular and profitable for years. Advertisers who sell red widget socks would love to have those free targeted leads (if they owned redwidgetsocks.com), but if they don't own the type-in domain, many will pay to make sure their business gets shown in front of those targeted prospects.

dvldvl3

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Msg#: 11369 posted 3:10 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

You guys are just annoyed you found people making a lot more money and a lot easier than your low grade affiliate/ banner wannabe pages.

As a user of google domain park, i was previously acheiving over 3 million uniques a month (now on around 1/2 million after few portfolio sales, )

It is all from quality traffic - mostly uk and de type ins. It is the HIGHEST QUALITY of traffic that exists.

As mentioned by other people if somsone is actually typing in "widgits.com" or "widgits.co.uk" into the browser bar they are of course interested in "widgits".

As a real example, a name i used to own, typo of cheapflights.com gave me a few hundred visitors a day. with a 70% + click rate. Are you telling me that traffic was poor quality or worthless? The people are obviously looking for cheap flights and are most likely consumers in the buying stage. It is exactly the same, if not better traffic, than those going to google and typing cheap flights into the search bar!

There will always be jelousy and anger at people who are making a lot of money. Particularly by those who frequent internet forums like this and who thought they were the cream of the crop when it comes to internet knowledge. Now you have suddenly realised you missed the boat by years and and your jelousy is evident by the ignorant comments in this thread.

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