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I am not a Cheat
Adsense account blocked
domingo




msg:1448944
 1:53 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

During the last six year of operating an online business, I never felt as bad as I am feeling now. Reason being, my adsense account blocked after just 10 days in operation.

They send me the usual email of describing why it is blocked. Most of you are familiar and some may have pass through the same.

Can anyone advice me about the next steps of what to do in order to get the record straight. Also does it mean that I cannot apply for another adsense account in the future.

edit reason : Spelling

 

Gian04




msg:1448945
 2:41 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google will not disable your account if you did not click your own ads. Stop making alibi.

herb




msg:1448946
 2:48 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google will not disable your account if you did not click your own ads. Stop making alibi.

That intelligent comment really ads to the quality of this forum.

domingo




msg:1448947
 3:02 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Clicking on my own ads. * Sigh *

Being an adwords advertiser myself, I know the effects of invalid clicks. Amazingly, they cancelled my adsense account, but they let the adwords account active which infact was promoting the site i.e. banned.

kevinpate




msg:1448948
 3:20 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why amazingly?
If invalid clicks attributable to you are indeed the issue, and I'll not opine either way, it's really not amazing for G to say your site will no longer profit from invalid clicks but you are free to pay to advertise the site all the same.

Although I'm presuming without ever seeing it, doesn't your banned from AS site have something to offer joe and jane surfer other than the chance to click an adsense ad to make money for the site?

If so, and assuming AdWords terms compliance, it's your call whether to continue to advertise for the site, not theirs, whether it can make its costs and/or any profit via AS or not..

Event_King




msg:1448949
 3:25 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reason they didn't ban your adwords account, is they make money from it. Banning adsense means they save money.

I understand that frustration over adwords and asdsense dealings can spark certain accusations in Google's direction, but it's unproductive whining about something we have NO control over. Proving invalid clicks exist is very difficult and tracking them needs clicks to be regular so a pattern emerges.

Without a pattern, nothing can be identified properly, thus guesswork takes place and is where many get it wrong. We then get posts about their 'guesses' and all hell breaks loose - I urge people to stop doing this as it's very annoying and I reckon most know that nobody here works for Google, or it would have been made public by now on this forum.

hunderdown




msg:1448950
 3:28 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

domingo, there are a ton of problems that AdSense labels with the "invalid clicks" message. You may not have clicked your ads, or put "click these ads" above them on your site, but if there is a problem with your traffic, or with your content, or with even the layout of your site, then any click on an ad on your site can be defined as an invalid click.

If you have reread the AdSense TOS and carefully reinspected your site to make sure that you have nothing that could be considered as a violation, if you do not buy traffic, if you do not have friends who might have been "helping," if, in short, you are absolutely sure that you are clean, then your next step is to send a polite but firm email explaining yourself to AdSense so as to appeal the decision.

Make sure you mention anything that could have triggered their email. Was there a surge in traffic? If so, offer your logs. Be as candid and polite and persistent as possible.

From posts here over the past year or so, it's become clear to me that the decision to suspend an account is at least somewhat automated. People with good sites and clean hands HAVE successfully appealed account suspensions and been reinstated--the appeal seems to trigger a manual review.

Good luck.

domingo




msg:1448951
 3:34 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Appeal?

Should I reply to email, or anyother address

hunderdown




msg:1448952
 4:11 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

You could try that. You could also try AdSense support.

jchampliaud




msg:1448953
 4:14 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some one here said they were banned from AsSense and got back in. You might try going back and looking for the thread.

Tropical Island




msg:1448954
 4:40 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

One thing you should ask yourself is "Why am I in this situation?"

AdSense does not just arbitrarily close accounts. In every case there is a reason why they take this action.

Has one of the sites had problems in the past?
Has someone at your address or telephone number had a problem in the past?
Have a look at your logs. Is a lot of traffic coming from one particular IP range?
Did you have something on your site that would direct people to click on your ads?
Have you sent out an e-mail asking people to click on your ads?
Have you posted on forums asking people to click on your ads?
Be honest with yourself in this assessment and I'm sure something will occur to you as to what the problem is.

By finding the problem you can then address it to Google support and explain to them how they may be in error.

If in fact you have done something either now or in the past to create the problem then it's best to just find ads other than AdSense for your sites.

domingo




msg:1448955
 4:51 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, I looked into my stats, which I saved and here is what i found.

Step 1.
When I started adsense on December 1, 2005 it was earning $X for the first 9 days.

Step 2.
On December 9th, I opened an adwords account, and for 10th and 11th it earned $2X with double clicks.

On 12th adsense banned me. If google works on weekends, they could have banned just after one day of increased revenue. Why have they waited for Monday. Looks like some automatic thing.

Any thoughts?

hunderdown




msg:1448956
 4:57 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks like they reacted to the increased traffic brought in by the AdWords account.

So you need to explain why you were doing the AdWords advertising, and say that you regard it as bringing in legitimate traffic....

sirkei




msg:1448957
 6:07 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmm, why can't we buy in traffic from adwords and put adsense on the site? Is this not allowed? I do not understand this. After all, google more or less wants us to use adwords.

hunderdown




msg:1448958
 6:19 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's allowed in general, but I am sure there are SPECIFIC ways in which it could be set up that could cause a problem.

For example, domingo's AdWords visitors could have been more likely to click on his ads than his regular visitors. AdSense would view that with suspicion, I think.

abbeyvet




msg:1448959
 6:23 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

If AdWords brought such an increase in clicks, it strongly suggests that people were not finding what the ad suggested they would, but were finding relevent ads.

This further suggests (only suggests) a spammy sort of page with little of value apart from the ads. That could well be reason for ban, although there are plenty of such pages out there that are not banned, unfortunately.

vbignacio




msg:1448960
 2:51 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

what if i dont buy traffic but participated in a traffic exchange program to increase public awareness of my site. is it okay with Google Adsense?

abbeyvet




msg:1448961
 2:55 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

participated in a traffic exchange program to increase public awareness of my site

I may be way off the mark, but that sounds like a euphemism for something dodgy.

My gut feeling is that it probably isn't ok.

frox




msg:1448962
 9:20 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)


traffic exchange program

After clicking on your own ads, I have the impression that the next most dangerous thing in Adsense is "non-natural" traffic.

Call it "buying traffic", "traffic exchange" or any other way, it's quite evident that a LOT of the demographics of your traffic will be "strange". Think of referrers distributions, think of visits durations, think of systematically repetitive paths your visitors will have (i.e. always going from www.a.com/page1 to www.b.com/page2)

All factors that can easily be automatically measured by G, statistically alayized and flagged as "invalid".

just my 2c.

vbignacio




msg:1448963
 9:46 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

thanks for your inputs. i think i will remove my adsense code from that page just to make sure.

fischermx




msg:1448964
 10:48 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are many people buying adwords traffic to monetize on adsense. I can name 50 sites doing this, they are up and running for months. Many of these sites are owned for people who are members here, who have disclosed this strategy, named "advertising arbitrage", or simply the "adwords-to-adsense roulette".

But at the end, how can't adwords traffic be quality traffic for adsense?

fischermx




msg:1448965
 10:54 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Domingo, could you say what's your site about? I mean which niche is your website on?

OMG!, I'm seeing your profile, you're on Pakistan, I don't want to think Google discriminate, but the people I know doing this are all USA based. That would be very sad.

21_blue




msg:1448966
 11:11 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

fischermx wrote:
>how can't adwords traffic be quality traffic for adsense?

We have one site, about six months old, where we buy traffic via Adwords, do some value-added jiggery-pokery, and then some visitors exit via adsense. In one sense, our situation could be said to be similar to Domingos.

However, the volume of traffic we buy via Adwords is but a tiny proportion of our overall account traffic - ie tiny by comparison with our main site.

It seems to me, therefore, that Domingo's problem is unlikely to be associated with purchasing traffic, but is to do with the proportionate increase in volume, or one of those visitors clicking on several ads which, for a small account, suggests a pattern of click fraud.

Emailing support with all the facts is tue only option and testimonies in this forum suggest honest publishers do get reinstated.

fischermx




msg:1448967
 11:29 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)


It seems to me, therefore, that Domingo's problem is unlikely to be associated with purchasing traffic, but is to do with the proportionate increase in volume ...

Again, I can name 50 sites, from which many are PR 0 and are not indexed who lives from buying adwords to monetize adsense. And may be they even buy something on overture, looksmart and other places.
I can privately send this list to anyone who wish to look.

The reason I stress on this, is that I believe, I want to believe that there's another reason for Domingo's ban. Pretty much related to his foreign, middle east location, which would be sad, if Google take this in consideration against someone.

21_blue




msg:1448968
 11:42 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

fischermx wrote:
>I can name 50 sites, from which many are PR 0 and are
>not indexed who lives from buying adwords to
>monetize adsense.

I think on this point we are in agreement, as this is different from the potential causes I'm suggesting.

Domingo's problem is not the result of prejudice, of that I'm 100% sure. It is more likely the result of a pattern that *appears* to have a hint of fraud.

trader




msg:1448969
 11:45 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is a lot of click fraud in the Pakistan, India area so G may monitor sites there even closer than normal.

Your banning is likely due to your friends and family clicking on your ads to try and 'help' you make money.

The reason I say that is I found this in an old post about ways to get more traffic that you made here:
....Word of Mouth. Spread the news about your site to your friends and family members......

Inviting them is actually a big negative, IMO. In all likelihood G noticed clicks from specific areas and IP ranges in your area, which may have raised a red flag quicker than normal since you are in that part of Asia {I am guessing).

[edited by: trader at 11:51 pm (utc) on Dec. 13, 2005]

fischermx




msg:1448970
 11:51 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)


....Word of Mouth. Spread the news about your site to your friends and family members......

Bingo! that's it.

woop01




msg:1448971
 11:51 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ignoring actual clicks, did your CTR have a sudden rise?

Also, is X closer to $10, $100, or $1,000?

jomaxx




msg:1448972
 12:41 am on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google let domingo sign up didn't they? There are tons of AdSense publishers happily operating from all over the world.

I think you should drop the "prejudice" garbage and acknowledge that Google dropped domingo for some reason. Correct? Incorrect? I'll never know and I don't really lose any sleep over that.

walkman




msg:1448973
 1:05 am on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

btw,
long time ago, someoen posted an article on one of my sites (had a few moderators) with "Help by clicking here." Google asked me to take the page down, but didn't close account or anything. I guess they checked at traffic patterns and amount of possible fraudelent traffic.

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