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The mother of all MFA sites
My god......
netscan




msg:1365382
 5:54 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

The sales pitch:

<snip>

Absolutely disgusting! What can be done about this type of "service"? I especially like the bit about the "anti copying" measures put in place...

[edited by: martinibuster at 6:13 pm (utc) on Nov. 29, 2005]
[edit reason] Edited out website specifics to prevent outing. Thanks. [/edit]

 

JoeT321




msg:1365383
 6:04 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why worry about it, just go back to creating your unique content.

dj_webm




msg:1365384
 6:10 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

i wouldn’t say 'the mother..' - at least this website has 'some' content (ok, free articles could be mirrored on hundreds of other websites, but its still some content). What i hate its a websites which has only overture links.... or rip-off of SE results and Asdsense all over it ... and similar.

netscan




msg:1365385
 6:15 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I chose the title for its ability to breed

dzcap




msg:1365386
 6:19 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

netscan: you must have a lot of time on your hands......

netscan




msg:1365387
 6:20 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Only when I'm at work ;)

<snip>

The site in question is selling for under $20 sites with pre-made for adsense sites with ripped articles for anyone that cares to know.

[edited by: martinibuster at 11:26 pm (utc) on Nov. 29, 2005]
[edit reason] TOS #24 [/edit]

JoeT321




msg:1365388
 6:34 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

That's great, atleast they can sell something and make money, not having to go to work and waste their time ( and their bosses') like you do looking for scraper/MFA sites.

Every site is MFA, unless it's a school .edu website.

Why do you guys worry so much about your CTR then? Moving your ads around - I'll call that MFA.

My white hat sites, I move the ads around and test for the best CTR, does that make it a MFA site? Does to me.

netscan




msg:1365389
 6:39 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well there's contributing something and receiving compensation, and there's stealing.

When I design a website and create content, I hope to provide a service that somebody will use, and maybe make a little in the process.

Theives just want the ends.

That's the difference.

OptiRex




msg:1365390
 6:40 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interestingly they were not listed in the Google SERPs, their promotional text did not appear anywhere!

hunderdown




msg:1365391
 6:43 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Every site is MFA, unless it's a school .edu website.

That's about as meaningful as saying we are all sinners....

And not even accurate. After all, there are thousands of sites in the AdSense program that were on the web years before AdSense. How could they have been Made FOR AdSense?

There are sites that HAVE AdSense and other sites that were made FOR it, and the two are usually pretty easy to distinguish. Unless, of course, you are motivated to blur the distinction for some reason.

ken_b




msg:1365392
 6:53 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interestingly they were not listed in the Google SERPs, their promotional text did not appear anywhere!

But there are other search engines.

europeforvisitors




msg:1365393
 7:01 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Every site is MFA, unless it's a school .edu website.

That's a profoundly silly statement, especially when one considers how many sites existed long before AdSense was invented.

Mr_Fern




msg:1365394
 7:07 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I somewhat get the jist of what Joe's trying to say.

If you have a website that's designed to be supported by advertising, it's being made for advertising. You have heat charts, hot spots, etc. etc. to place your advertisements in the best position for optimal results.

Since Adsense is one of the easier ad programs to join, the influx of new publishers have come around. Everyone's looking to make a buck.

Some people work in a field because they have a deep interest in it (i.e. the people with hobby sites, write about things they know and like), and Some people work the field because it's what's available and pays (i.e. the people who order the product being mentioned in this topic). When it all boils down to it, we're all after the same objective.

sailorjwd




msg:1365395
 7:11 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Let the one who has not MFA'd cast the first hard widget.

hunderdown




msg:1365396
 7:16 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some people work in a field because they have a deep interest in it

Exactly, and there are plenty of sites in AdSense that match that description. Mine does. It was around for several years before I started putting any advertising or affiliate links on it....

lorendata




msg:1365397
 7:22 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Technically, I think that AdSense was made for my site, not the other way around.

novice




msg:1365398
 7:29 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Every site is MFA, unless it's a school .edu website.

That could be true if your talking about:
Modified For AdSense
Or
Manipulated For AdSense. :)

bose




msg:1365399
 8:19 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Every site is MFA, unless it's a school .edu website.

ok, I'll take the bait. ;)

No, my content/sites have existed waaaaay before Google came up with Adsense. Actually, some of my work was published online around a time that predates both IE and Netscape.

I am sure I am not alone in this bracket -there are countless professionals here whose work has been published online/offline for many web-years -way before the recent MFA stampede that has kicked up so much of dirt on the web lately.

europeforvisitors




msg:1365400
 11:22 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am sure I am not alone in this bracket -there are countless professionals here whose work has been published online/offline for many web-years -way before the recent MFA stampede that has kicked up so much of dirt on the web lately.

My editorial travel site began in 1996 as a test site that I created while reviewing an early version of FrontPage for BOARDWATCH Magazine. It got picked as an MSN "Site of the Day," was listed in the Yahoo directory, and made its way into a couple of guidebooks. It certainly wasn't made for AdSense or even for advertising. And while its current incarnation pays me a good living, the site isn't "made for AdSense" or even "made for advertising."

IMHO, the test of whether a site was "made for AdSense" is pretty simple: Does the site have intrinsic value for the user? If the ads were taken away, would the site have a reason to exist? The answers to those questions are usually quite obvious, even if the MFA crowd likes to pretend otherwise.

novice




msg:1365401
 11:58 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

The answers to those questions are usually quite obvious, even if the MFA crowd likes to pretend otherwise.

"Denial" is the first step. :)

So when Google finally nukes all these MFA sites, the road to recovery is to accept what they did and move on to step two.

SkyDiveDad




msg:1365402
 12:08 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

After seeing some of the ads being shown on my site recently, I think it would be fair to say it's Made For Abuse!

HughMungus




msg:1365403
 12:19 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

That's a profoundly silly statement, especially when one considers how many sites existed long before AdSense was invented.

Yeah, we should all follow the rules to the letter, right?

Anyone ever read Google's guidelines for webmasters?

Make pages for users, not for search engines.

Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."

Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

JoeT321




msg:1365404
 12:33 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

My point being, the starter of the thread doesn't need to go out looking for sites selling scraper sites/MFA sites. Lots of people make their sites for adsense, guess who makes more money than the publisher? Big G. They like us, why do you think they don't ban all of us?

***WE MAKE THEM MONEY.***

Black hat traffic converts just as well as white hat if not better. If it didn't Google would have a field day with us.

If someone is searching for 'red sweaters' and gets to a black hat site and clicks an ad, what is the difference if they found a white hat site with the same ad? None.

If you don't agree with scraper sites/black hat then go get your life together and do your job, create your unique content/whatever.

A lot of people make their VERY COMFORTABLE living off of black hat/scraper sites made for adsense, including me.

If you don't agree with it, I could care less. I make money, you cry about my websites. Me and Google win.

pixel_juice




msg:1365405
 12:56 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you don't agree with it, I could care less. I make money, you cry about my websites. Me and Google win.

Some people see it as an ethical issue. They don't like to worsen the noise to signal ratio of the internet. And so do you. Why else would you try to hide the fact in msg #7?

Every site is MFA, unless it's a school .edu website.

Why do you guys worry so much about your CTR then? Moving your ads around - I'll call that MFA.


webdreamer




msg:1365406
 1:00 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

All my websites were made for fun, initially. But when I started adding some banners from the affiliate programs I joined, it became even more fun when I saw a little bit of money trickling in. Now that I have added Adsense to those same websites, I actually am making a significant amount of money, for the same content. Now it is really fun!

Has it crossed my mind to do my next website with Adsense as a major part of the design? Yes. But, I will keep in mind that it will be geared for the websurfer who finds her/himself on my website. That he or she enjoys the experience, and will want to return. Not a MFA website. Therefore it is a win/win/win situation for me, the visitor, and Google.

To me, a MFA seems like a sellout. I don't want it to be "Me first, everybody and everything else, after that." If I loose the sight that I make websites because I love it (first), and to make money with it (second), the fun will end fast. And my goal of making a living on the Internet, will be gone forever.

Does this make sense to anyone?

JoeT321




msg:1365407
 1:04 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

How am I trying to hide anything?

*I make black hat/scraper/MFA sites, and I make a fortune doing it.*

Read that.

Ethics, ethics, ethics. Blah, blah, blah. Good thing we don't have to see eye to eye on things.

Let's talk about the richest man in the world (maybe he's not anymore, didn't feel like checking) - Bill Gates. Did he think about ethics when he screwed Steve Jobs? No. Is he rich? Yes, very.

Maybe we would all be using Macs today if not, good thing we're not because I hate them.

webdreamer




msg:1365408
 1:11 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

JoeT321 how much is a fortune?

netscan




msg:1365409
 1:14 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

My point being, the starter of the thread doesn't need to go out looking for sites selling scraper sites/MFA sites.

Contrary to that statement I did not go out MFA hunting today, I happened across an ad for it in the classified section on another popular forum forum for webhosts. I was taken back by the sheer audacity of the "product" that this site offered and thought "Wow, that's just plain wrong".

I also figured other publishers on this forum would feel the same way so I posted the sales pitch that this site uses, which was promptly snipped by the jumpy Moderator of this section.

A lot of people make their VERY COMFORTABLE living off of black hat/scraper sites made for adsense, including me.

A lot of people make a very comfortable living off of a lot of things, drug dealers for instance, that doesn't make it all "right" just because they haven't been caught yet.

Theft of content is the same as theft of a car, a thief is a thief is a thief no matter how you try and justify it.

JoeT321




msg:1365410
 1:15 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

LOL, what am I going to be 'caught' for?

Putting a Black Hat SEO in the same boat as a drug dealer is lame, get a life.

netscan




msg:1365411
 1:20 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

LOL, what am I going to be 'caught' for?
Putting a Black Hat SEO in the same boat as a drug dealer is lame, get a life.

I'll enjoy your future "Help! I've been banned from AdSense!" post.

Maybe we would all be using Macs today if not, good thing we're not because I hate them.

Now I've caught the scent of a troll...

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