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Firefox referrals - experience of others?
david_uk




msg:1359382
 7:38 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

How have others got on with these?

I've got a list of my pages I think they might work on - often pages adsense doesn't work on.

How does bunging the banners on loads of pages affect other stats? Does having them decrease regular G earnings, or have others found them to be extra income?

Also, can each banner be given a channel?

 

krod




msg:1359383
 8:47 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

never tried them, don't want to either

david_uk




msg:1359384
 8:49 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, I found the answer to the channels question on G's website (No, in a nutshell).

I would like to hear feedback from those who have actually tried the Firefox referrals.

jchampliaud




msg:1359385
 8:53 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've got the buttons up on my biggest site but so far no one is doing much clicking.

OptiRex




msg:1359386
 10:10 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've uploaded 5 different buttons to 5 separate sites in 3 different positions...I have an inkling which one should perform best but, hey, I know nothing, and I haven't known that very long!

Nikke




msg:1359387
 10:14 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

OptiRex and jchampliaud:

How about your page impressions? I stopped running the AdSense referral buttons since they inflated the pagecounts of my sites.

CTR plummeted, and it has taken me two weeks to start recovering from the not-so-smart pricing that followed.

david_uk




msg:1359388
 10:40 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

How about your page impressions? I stopped running the AdSense referral buttons since they inflated the pagecounts of my sites.

CTR plummeted, and it has taken me two weeks to start recovering from the not-so-smart pricing that followed.

Sigh.......

Two hours into posting it to a bunch of pages and ctr has dropped like a stone. Taken it off all of them again - can't afford the smart pricing hit for something I doubt many are interested in. Left it on two pages only because adsense and chitika don't work well on them - and they are on borrowed time. I'd rather have no ads on the pages!

I'll try it for a couple of days, but this idea REALLY is dismal. If they really want to promote Firefox, then take the calculations OUT of anything that affects smart pricing.

Or even better, remove the stupid smart pricing algo - surely they didn't mean the daft Random Pricing(tm) "feature" to penalise webmasters who try to promote Google products in good faith in addition to normal ads?

GuruSense




msg:1359389
 10:43 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I for one think refferals are a waste of money for you as a publisher but adsense make alot more, it's kinda using us. our refferal means more than our account monthly to adsense.

david_uk




msg:1359390
 10:51 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Removed the referral link on the last 2 pages - not worth it.

OptiRex




msg:1359391
 2:33 am on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Nikke

Everything's looking "normal" right now, I'll give it 12 hours and see what happens. If I don't get any click thrus in that time I would be very surprised considering the prominence I've given them on my two main sites and that position commands $1,000 per month each in advance!

They will have to perform or they will be gone...

OptiRex




msg:1359392
 12:43 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, they're being removed as I write...nichts, denada, zilch, niente...nothing!

kartiksh




msg:1359393
 1:33 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Or even better, remove the stupid smart pricing algo - surely they didn't mean the daft Random Pricing(tm) "feature" to penalise webmasters who try to promote Google products in good faith in addition to normal ads?

Completely agree. i have noted the same and removed referral banner from all pages and kept on index page only. by the way to spread fire fox we can still use spreadfirefox's affiliate link which i am doing on my site.

drall




msg:1359394
 2:30 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

We ran them for a few hours and gave them about 200k impressions, like Optirex they where in prime real estate and had such few clicks and skewed our stats so much we ripped them.

Well time to bury them in the graveyard of ideas like
CPM Ads
Image Ads
Site Search Ads
Referrals
Multi Ad Units
Froogle

lol

jchampliaud




msg:1359395
 2:40 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

How about your page impressions? I stopped running the AdSense referral buttons since they inflated the pagecounts of my sites.

Looking over my stats my impressions are way up. Net income looks to be the same as before.

dogbert




msg:1359396
 3:34 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got 2 downloads but referal amount is less than 10% of the promised USD 1 per download. is something wrong?

drall




msg:1359397
 3:59 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

You have to read close Dogbert, it is up to 1.00 ;)

Play_Bach




msg:1359398
 4:06 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I haven't made a dime on them, had only two clicks so far, no downloads. However, I'm leaving them up for now because I have a hunch Google is still reimbursing in some way for the impressions - regardless of the clicks. Maybe purely coincidence, but $ is definitely up since adding them to my sites. Anybody else?

thegreatpretender




msg:1359399
 4:39 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would paste it on my site if google pay me at least $10 per download. Putting this logo to my site is just a distraction, I think.

Oetzi




msg:1359400
 4:56 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I tried it for a few days. It actually worked well for a while until they changed the algo and started discounting conversions from other countries. What was a $1 per download went under $0.25 per download.

If you think that $0.25 is a lot, think again. This amount is not per click, it is per conversion, meaning that if your page with the Firefox button on receives 1000 impressions and 10% of the visitors click on the button, only perhaps 5% of the 10% will actually download Firefox. But it does not stop there, they also have to install it and run it before you get credited, which is fair. The end result is that Firefox is worth a lot less than $0.05/click (depending on your clickthrough. If you are trying to compare it with Adsense, you are better off to stay with Adsense

What G should explain is why the value of a download depends from the location of the downloader. I understand this for Adsense (people from the western world are more likely to convert to customers), but I fail to understand this for Firefox and the Google toolbar. G wants everybody to install its toolbar to track your visits. Why a visit from India is worth a lot less than a visit from the U.S.?

wrgvt




msg:1359401
 5:01 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I threw the button up on a couple sites and make the occasional $1 here and there. It's also boosted my impressions, but I see no smart-pricing effects from it. My AdSense income continues upward.

mafew




msg:1359402
 10:09 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

G wants everybody to install its toolbar to track your visits. Why a visit from India is worth a lot less than a visit from the U.S.?

I don't think tracking your visits is their objective. They want you to use the Google toolbar, so when you search you see Google results, along with AdWords. They're betting on making more by gaining a larger market share. US users must make Google more money than users from other countries.

semiprofessional




msg:1359403
 2:10 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

and surely Google wants less people to be using IE, as microsoft could really change the browser market against google somehow sometime.

Seems like a pretty smart move to me. Google might then also put some time and effort into FF to get it more useable and useful, which would be a good thing.

Now if only google would buy Opera and be done with this FF nonsense!

OptiRex




msg:1359404
 2:41 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Now if only google would buy Opera and be done with this FF nonsense!

An Opera FF Browser?

I'd consider paying for that!

Bear in mind I did pay for the Original Opera:-)

effekt




msg:1359405
 6:39 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

It worked good for me, droped my CTR by .1% and earns less per click but gets about 300% more clicks than AdSense ads, plus I like supporting Firefox :).

Only gripe is that the referral earnings do not show up in "Todays Earnings:".

GuruSense




msg:1359406
 6:51 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google use Internet Explorer in their page checking apparantly.. it says the following to me one time..

"I found a pop
up,
ie30java.cab, attempting to load in conjunction with an Internet
Explorer
security warning.

Please be advised, as explained at https://google.com/adsense/policies
,
your site must not require or prompt an end user to download a dialer
in
order to view content of the site. "
anyone sense a bot :D but to reffer to Iexplorer is funny as hell hehe.

the way to get aronund that i simply told google to download mozilla firefox and try it spyware free and was confirmed the next day.

"Congratulations!

Your Google AdSense application has been approved. You can now activate
your account and start delivering Google ads and AdSense for search on
your site in minutes."

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