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what if I added 4 ad blocks?
sallam

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Msg#: 10746 posted 2:18 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

If I use 4 ad blocks in a page, will this result in 3 blocks getting displayed, automatically ignoring the 4th? or will all of them show up, and so I get banned by google?

 

birdstuff

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Msg#: 10746 posted 2:20 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why tempt fate?

wyweb



 
Msg#: 10746 posted 2:25 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Try it and let us know.

sallam

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Msg#: 10746 posted 2:27 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why tempt fate?

its not that. Its a bit complicated, because its a forum. I need to use lots of if statement codes to organize whick blocks shows to which member groups. I'm asking to be on the safe side, and propably I can use less code.

[edited by: sallam at 2:30 pm (utc) on Nov. 28, 2005]

sallam

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Msg#: 10746 posted 2:29 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Try it and let us know.

I did. Only 3 blocks showed up, the 4th didnt show even a vacent space. Its there in the source code, but has no effect in the resulting page.

ve3cnu

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Msg#: 10746 posted 3:20 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google won't display more than three, even if you try.

I know of sites with adsense code in the template. There anr then many ad sections in the webpage, but only the 1st three display anything.

It has run like this for years without incident.

janethuggard

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Msg#: 10746 posted 3:43 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

You want to consider, seriously, even adding three ad blocks. The javascript increases your page size, thereby lowering your ranking, contrary to popular belief. Page size is the final applied element of the Google algo.

Depending on how competitive your nitch is, you could lose 1 to 6 positions in the serps, if you are on page one of the serps at this point. That will reduce your traffic, reduce your impessions, and overall, reduce your earnings.

I would keep the Adsense units to a maximum of two. We are in the process of reducing to that on all our sites for the last month or so. Since the first two units are normally the highest paying units, this will maximize your earnings.

davidof

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Msg#: 10746 posted 4:22 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

> You want to consider, seriously, even adding three ad blocks. The javascript increases your page size, thereby lowering your ranking, contrary to popular belief. Page size is the final applied element of the Google algo.

Any evidence of that Google favours small pages? It means that the ratio of code to content is lower but I doubt a few lines of Javascript will drop you by 6 places in SERPS.

What it will do is make your pages slower to load, spammy looking and in a subject area with little competion will increase the chance of low bidding ad blocks being clicked - losing a visitor to your site for little reward.

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 10746 posted 5:24 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

The javascript increases your page size, thereby lowering your ranking, contrary to popular belief

AdSense javascript is tiny, I'm not sure that little bit of code would increase the page size that much. Besides, I have a few HUUUUUGE pages ( > 100K ) that rank in the top 10 so I'm not sure I'm a believer of this theory.

However, it is known that some search engines [did] just stop indexing text after a certain point on the page so anything below a certain point didn't count. This would explain why those run-on blog pages have issues with search engines.

janethuggard

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Msg#: 10746 posted 11:43 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

The javascript is tiny, but 55 lines of that code, will increase the byte size by 3k. Put on three ad blocks, one link unit, and two search boxes, and your page size increased by about 20k. That could easily bump you six positions, on page one. Two unit max is only 3k, That could still bump you 1-3 positions in rank, pushing you half way down the page.

You can have a page that is 345k, and be #1, on page 1, if you have the most amount of 'points'. The file size is only a tie breaker for those sites that are equally relevant, in clusters. Usually most noticed on page one. From there, it will sort by byte site, into the next cluster, then the next cluster, and so on.

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 10746 posted 9:15 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I hear what you're selling but I'm not buying based on personal experience with many sites with large pages in the top 10, and we're talking beyond the home page.

janethuggard

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Msg#: 10746 posted 11:24 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Pick any keyword you want. We checked hundreds. 'Cat', 'bananas', 'apples'. Look at page one. What do you see?
Notice any pattern there? They are sorted into clusters, by byte size.

At the top, first five. If all were equally as revelevant, now do they decide who is first? Let's say they all achieved 1000 points our of 1000 ,if 1000 points was a pefect score. There are five that are equal, for exmaple, on the keyword 'cat'. Who is first? Why? They are sorted by byte size.

Then, maybe in the next cluster the site had 999 points out of 1000. Then the next cluster 998 out of 1000, and so on. Because the top sites listed are mostly those savy in seo, it is a close race for those high counts. Once you get to page two amd beyond, the gap widens, and maybe only one or two are in a cluster with the exact same number of points.

The byte size only matters within a cluster, Bill. Not for deciding which cluster you are in.

Check it out. One word keywords are very competitive and you will see those larger clusters, sorted by byte size.

aris1970

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Msg#: 10746 posted 12:44 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

At the top, first five. If all were equally as revelevant, now do they decide who is first? Let's say they all achieved 1000 points our of 1000 ,if 1000 points was a pefect score. There are five that are equal, for exmaple, on the keyword 'cat'. Who is first? Why? They are sorted by byte size.

Sorry but this is a very wrong assumption according to my own experience with a top10 site for a very competitive business term for the last 3 years.

CainIV

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Msg#: 10746 posted 8:05 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I, too would have to disagree that is a heavily weighted factor. Sure within clusters, if every single facet of similarity in measuring elements is equal, but it never is. Always some site wins out, and site size imho does not take a drivers seat in terms of wins.

To make a better point, a site, with all things equal might win over another site by being registered one week earlier before site size ever would unless site size was preventing spider movement.

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