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Copyrighted material - News Groups

 5:14 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Copyrighted Material
In order to avoid associations with copyright claims, website publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with MP3, Video, News Groups, and Image Results."

What is news groups exactly?
News portal like www.cnn.com (it is not mine, belive me) is ok or not?

Thanks in advance.



 5:19 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google it man....


 7:03 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

May be I AM stupid,
may be my English is sooo poor but I still see
no point WHY news groups could be associated with copyright claims.

Question again - News Portal like CNN.com
is ok with AS TOS?


 7:12 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

News groups are an old Internet format now mostly existing as YahooGroups and the like. Basically, you sign in to one and you get messages from all the other members. Like a listserv but doesn't use email.

cnn.com is not a newsgroup. It's a news company.

Newsgroups are a copyright issue because the messages are all posted by different individuals--no one person owns the copyright, or even has permission to use them (unlike a forum on a site).


 7:26 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, it more likely is because of what is traded in the news groups.


 7:30 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good point, though that's not true of ALL newsgroups. There are plenty that are just discussion groups. Or there used to be. Have they withered away, and all that's left are warez, p*rn, and music files traders?


 8:40 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

But what is the difference between news group and forum?

Here and there people meet each other, discussed something, share news. On forums as well you can trade anything you like.

Thanks guys. One question solved at least.


 8:49 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

As I said in my earlier message, forums are hosted on a site. Someone owns them, and has guidelines for their use, and has some kind of control over the contet.

No one owns a newsgroup, unless its their members as a body. If you were to try to use AdSense ads with newsgroup content, it would be like framing a government information website and running AdSense ads on it. Well, it wouldn't be like that exactly, but it would be in some ways.

AND: As a forum owner, you can remove inappropriate content. No one has that kind of control over a newsgroup, as far as I know.

I don't know exactly why Google has a problem with newgroups, but the point is, you can't use AdSense with newsgroups. That's really what you needed to know, isn't it?


 8:57 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>"Copyrighted Material
>In order to avoid associations with copyright >claims, website publishers may not display Google >ads on web pages with MP3, Video, News Groups, and >Image Results."

But, what if you are the one who owns said mp3 or video files?



 8:57 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't have newsgroup clearly.
And main question was about news and news sites.

Another question -

who owns a copyright on a news?
For instance - Yesterday cross rate US dollar - Evro has changed by 2 %.
I read this on Finance.cnn.com and publish on
my site with active link (a href) to Cnn.com.
Is it ok or is it violation of copyrights
and AS TOS consecuently?


 9:11 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

eamiller: ASA has said this is OK, as long as you clearly control the copyright.

photo200: Nobody owns the copyright on a fact, just the words used to describe it. Rewrite summaries in your own words and don't target any one site too closely and you should be OK. The hard part is adding some value over and above what CNN, Google News, etc. already deliver. If you're not providing some kind of contextual/interpretive/niche value, just drop the idea altogether or use a canned news feed.


 9:12 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

[jomaxx got in ahead of me.]

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