| 2:22 pm on Nov 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You get the impression that they're waiting for the accounts to get to $99.99 before they close them, don't you? ;)
| 2:29 pm on Nov 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Good sruff TI! I didn't have much succes with reporting so far:-(
| 2:50 pm on Nov 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks Tropical Island,
Good that you are keeping records, also good to see light at the end of the tunnel, before that it felt like we were banging our head on a brick wall.
| 4:39 pm on Nov 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
One thing I always do when making abuse reports is use my AdSense / AdWords log-in e-mail account.
I also identify myself as a senior member of WW and give them my nick.
I don't know if this has any effect at all but I assume most G employees have heard of WW and may give the complaint a little extra importance.
| 7:14 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
If Google doesn't care about these sites, then why do you?
| 7:31 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>If Google doesn't care about these sites, then why do you?
Google do care about the sites for the same reason we do - because it directly hits our bottom line. Eg: I take part in a widget forum where some widget producers have stopped advertising online because of the types of problems we discuss here. If we can get rid of the cheats, there are plenty of rich people and companies out there willing to spend lots more money.
If Google is perceived to 'not care' I suspect it is because of the time and effort involved in trying to get the decisions right. As some members of this forum can testify, they do care - because they spend time considering appeals and reversing decisions when they make mistakes. Investigating each case no doubt takes a lot of time.
| 7:52 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yes, it is my job.
I just reported 10 of them.
I'm a mean S O B
| 7:52 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I reported a site the ads were taken away, but then again somehow they got ads again and they are violating TOS again and it has been 3 months I reported them twice yet nothing has been done. Another site that had way to many ads on 1 page at a time is still up also they just took away most of the ads I guess google gave them a warning or something.
The earnings that they have gotten from this illgel TOS breaking activity they are now getting a dedicated server to get even more traffic and create more illegal activity they even state that they are using stuff that is again TOS yet google does nothing about it sometimes that just angers me.
| 9:05 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
from the Adsense Site;
The code on the Ad layout code and Search code pages is valid for any page in any site on which you want to display Google ads.
Thats imo the problem, every website that wants to display adsense should be checked by Google first.
| 10:30 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It has often been suggested that we should be forced to register any site that our code goes on with AdSense and it's worth repeating again.
It may well be that AS already knows every site where the code appears as they are delivering ads however it would be another level of quality control and may cause some people to stop and think about what they are doing.
Something has to be done to slow down the abuse.
| 10:47 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The issue of bad sites being used adSense is not a significant one imo.
Mainly because in 90% of cases bad, not useful, adSense only sites do not receive much traffic.
Have you seen such a site with Alexa rank below 300,000 - 500,000?
| 11:29 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Do you just search for sites that say "click on my google ads". Thats just sour grapes. I would report one if i came across one, but i wouldn't take the time to search and report 2 or 3 of them.
| 11:47 pm on Nov 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|i wouldn't take the time to search and report 2 or 3 of them. |
No one is asking you to.
There are plenty of AdSense publishers here that gladly take the time to search not only that phrase but many others that crooks are using to scam the system and the advertisers.
If we stop just some of them it will benefit the AS program as well as the AW advertisers. Many of us are both publishers and advertisers.
<edit>Is the reason you wouldn't take the time to search and report them because your blog has the following statement: google
feel free to click on some of the google ads :P
Also notice that your AS program appears to be disabled.
| 6:30 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It never occured to me to actually try a search for "click on my google ads".
I just did. YIKES!
| 6:52 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|There are plenty of AdSense publishers here that gladly take the time to search not only that phrase but many others that crooks are using to scam the system and the advertisers. |
Especially in my niche. Why should I have to compete with crooks?
| 8:00 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|...take the time to search not only that phrase but many others that crooks are using to scam the system and the advertisers. |
I saw a PR 8 site inciting clicks once. I emailed the site owner and advised him that it was against the TOS. The guy was a middle aged programmer in a small town in Rhode Island. He had no clue he was breaking the TOS.
He thanked me warmly for the friendly heads-up. He not only fixed the error, but he took down all other advertising on his site because he was afraid of Google.
I've seen similar cases several times afterward.
Remember, it is not always thieves who are inciting clicks. The webmaster you are lynching may be a non-techie senior citizen or an otherwise law abiding human being who didn't read the TOS and simply needs a helping hand, not a backhand.
| 9:00 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>who didn't read the TOS and simply needs a helping hand
that is not a good enough excuse anymore Martinibuster
at the last adsense update everyone was prompted to read the TOS again, well yet again really, your putting a tick in a box and agreeing to abide by something you have not read.
hmm not recommended..
| 9:05 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think there does need to be some leeway given to people who violate the TOS in minor ways, vs. people who are outright stealing.
Having ads on an inappropriate page, or putting "Please look at the ads" are probably a minor violation and banning someone for life for those things seems overly harsh to me. That might even be well intentioned and it might seem to the guy like advertisers would actually benefit too. Somewhere between "Click a few ads if you like this site" and outright clicking by the site owner himself is where it should go from a friendly reminder or a slap on the wrist to an outright permanent ban.
| 9:08 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I agree with martinibuster. I found 3 sites flaunting TOS in my niche and I just mailed them. (from my non-site, anonymous e-mail address, I admit)
they were doing stuff like pre-filling search boxes and inciting clicks. Within 2 days, all issues on all sites had been dealt with. Win win.
| 9:10 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
but "IF" they had read the terms of service what they have signed up and agreed to then they would not be breaking them in the first place would they
| 9:26 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|"IF" they had read the terms of service... |
You raise a good point but my question to that is, how many people read the TOS?
And of those who read it, how many can cut through the legalese and confidently state they understand it all?
I'm not advocating against turning people in. All I'm saying is that there are many people out there who are decent human beings doing things they never realized was against the TOS. All I'm saying is to think before you lynch someone who may otherwise be innocent.
| 9:50 am on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yeah I agree the legalese does take some reading, but the bit I do understand is what you can and can't do with the adsense code which is clearly listed without the legalese,
so even if you don't understand this page of legalese on the Terms and Conditions page
The Legal Stuff what's lacking a few full stops and line breaks [google.com]
you can surely understand this list of the Program Polices
What you can and can't do with adsense [google.com]
that is if you take the time to read them in the first place which is what we all got prompted to do a couple of weeks ago, there is no excuse anymore for not knowing you was breaking any of the guidelines, google forced you to read what you was agreeing to, you placed the tick in the box and clicked on submit otherwise you could not login to your account.
| 12:26 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have reported other sites to AS. I just felt that those sites within my niche were doing silly things more through ignorance that malice. And in fact, two did get back in touch with me saying they had had no idea. I know, ignorance of the law, blah blah blah.
But these were webmasters who I sort of knew, had decent sites that added to the niche I'm in (rather than take away) and I just felt like being a good citizen.
But, as I say, I have shopped other sites without hesitation where the breaking of the TOS was repeated, blatant and on poor sites too.