| 12:32 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I would say the old 80:20 rule would apply here. |
I'm not saying you're wrong since none of us have the correct information and very unlikely to find it soon however I feel this is where the assumption may fall down:
|So, if we assume that 80% of the revenue is going to the top 20% of webmasters: |
The one thing we realistically do not know is the proportion of company publishers, professional web master publishers, hobby publishers and then scraper sites.
This is where I feel the 80:20 rule falls down since using "normal" stats it would be acceptable however we are not dealing with a "normal" program since anyone who can comply with the TOS can become a publisher.
The actual facts would be very interesting to know with EFV on the mark for my money:
|I'd imagine that AdSense is a lot like Commission Junction, where it takes only a few hundred dollars a month to be in the higher percentiles. |
| 12:46 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I was just thinking! I know, dangerous...my better half says that any thought of mine would die of loneliness!
If we want to play the numbers game consider this:
|Google's revenue for the quarter totaled $1.58 billion, nearly doubling from $805.9 million last year. After subtracting the commissions that Google paid to other websites in its advertising network, the revenue stood at $1.05 billion, exceeding the Wall Street estimate of $944 million. |
This means that Google paid out USD 530 million to its publishers...that's nearly a nice round figure:-))
Ok, now to play, let's assume 50,000 publishers. That would equate to an average of USD 10,600 per publisher per quarter or USD 3,533.33 per month.
Now extrapolate up or down and wherever you like...
| 5:04 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am making a nice living with Adsense. Combined with other online projects, it's a very nice living. I used to manage a successful, medium-sized company and am doing as well or better than I was then, and I don't have employee headaches!
| 5:12 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm a has been.
I had been making a good living with AS :(
It came back a little this week but not enough.
I'm finding that slight adjustments ( < 1 inch ) in location of ads can make a significant difference in CTR.
| 6:34 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am just 17 years old and I am already making up to 20 dollars per day on Adsense! It took me almost a year of writing though.
What I basically did was re-use all my homeworks about different topics (one website per subject) and just paste them in each one. It almost cost me an academy dishonesty as a teacher knew how to use Google and was suspicious about my writing! I had a lot of explaining to do until they finally realized that it was in fact my website, so it was OK.
So yes, every day I see an increase in traffic, and I hope to reach that 30 bucks mark too.
I already have dreams with Adsense which I think is cool - when I reach $200 I want to go to live to Norway - for that same reason I have turned down many Saturday nights of fun to stay home to write another 5-10 articles. I hate my family, and I think Adsense will be a great way for me to run away once I reach 18 in just 6 months.
So yes, I am expecting to make a living out of Adsense... soon I hope.
| 6:37 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
joax, when you turn 18 and leave your parent's house, it isn't running away. You need to spend a few years at a university before you do anything that will impact the rest of your life.
| 6:51 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am not sure if I can call my selft successful AdSense Publisher.
My current earnings are pretty fine (if I look overal earnings for this month).
Some days my earings are around 15$ ... Next day it can be 25$, and day after 45$. It varies very much.
But in my country aprox 60% of people earn less than me, so I can say AdSense (combined with some other Ad Network) is relly good income source... Ar least for me.
| 7:02 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|joax, when you turn 18 and leave your parent's house, it isn't running away. You need to spend a few years at a university before you do anything that will impact the rest of your life. |
Yes, I am aware of that. Maybe I used a wrong verb to describe what I really plan to do. I just don't understand why go to university if I make a decent income in maybe a year - say $200 per day - which seems something I can achieve considering the rate at which my revenue is increasing (a month ago it was less than $5 per day) - I do understand, however, the instability of relying on a big program such as Google Adsense.
Nevertheless, I do understand that going to university is very important for acquiring a job, but why do I need a job anyways? Money is not an issue for me as my parents will probably die within a couple of years anyhow so even if I don't make good online money I can still live off of that.
I'm still inexperienced though, and I appreciated your feedback.
| 7:17 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Joax, consider this, can you see yourself making an income from this when you are 40? 50? Yes, it can provide a great income, but it is not certain to be something that is stable for the next 50 years. A college education will provide you with better knowledge and experience within your field (go for a business degree if you wish).
| 7:19 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This kid needs help, I could see a disaster building up already.
| 7:46 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
think about sun & moon . think about yourself blood and bones. think about time.
cool down and do good with all.
life is logic. try to get it.
| 9:34 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I earn about $3000 a month with Adsence now, but I can see making $10000 a month is just a matter of time and more traffic. Google is not my only income and I only put 40% of my traffic to it.
| 10:40 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>I just don't understand why go to university if I make a decent income in maybe a year
Joax, there are plenty of examples of teenagers not going to university, setting up a business and making a success of it. When my sons got to university age I encouraged them to do what they wanted: one got a job, another did a degree for fun that was unlikely to get him a job, the third chose to do a vocational degree. I think the important thing was that they were happy with their choice, whilst recognising the long term lifestyle implications, eg: it looks like the one with the vocational degree is likely to earn a lot more than the other two.
Having said that, your plan contains a big "IF". You've spent a year building your website and got to $20 per day. Maybe you could increase it to a living wage, but maybe not - there are plenty of stories in this forum to show that the income can disappear. So, your plan needs to take account of "IF NOT". That is, what if your adsense income reduces, what if you can't grow it, what will you do then? I don't say this to discourage you from your plan, but simply to say that for your plan to be complete it also needs to account for what you do 'if not' based on Adsense.
| 11:22 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
joax: Certainly the decision will always be yours but I'll tell you a great adage my father told me when I was just about your age and wanted to drop out of university: "A good education will always be very light to carry."
| 11:23 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
$200 a day is NOT a decent income. $2000 a day is more like it. Don't set your goals too low.
And, its not what you learn at a university it is that you learn how to learn and how to communicate with educated people. I don't use anything I learned in school and I have a MS degree.
| 11:28 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|$200 a day is NOT a decent income. |
LOL..... what world are you taliking about?
In most of the the USA, and most of the rest of the world as well, that would put you in a pretty comfortable position, maybe not rich, bur certainly a "decent income".
| 11:35 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You aren't in the real world. And, I'm talking about the USA - not China.
I bought my current house several years ago for less the $300,000 and today it would cost > $700,000. I have medical bills, retirement investment, new car, large sailboat and haven't been able to take much of a vacation for many years. However, this year I'll be renting a nice house in Florida from Dec - Mar.
That doesn't count kids or wife or college for kids.
And, I hope to be able to donate a significant amount to charity.
Add it up.
<added> there are some business expenses in there so lets say $1500 a day clear. And, I don't make that much but it is my short term goal <>
| 12:10 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My world looks pretty real, and pretty good to me. :)
| 12:25 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
$200 is a very decent income no matter where you live.
The only caveat I would add is that this income is far from steady or reliable. Your income could dry up at any time, and within say 5 years the landscape might be almost unrecognizable. You definitely need to be able to set aside part of your paycheck because setbacks are inevitable.
| 12:27 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am curious about something.. when people say "adsnese" are they speaking in a generic sense of all their publishing revenue? Or are they talking only about adsense and/or only use adsense?
I now in November to-date Adsense is a little under 22% of my total revenue. I think web publishing is a real business and should be treated as such. I think some people have sites built on blood sweat and tears that just earn money by throwing ads on them. That is probably a miniscule percentage of people. This also seems to be the impression I get that most people are hoping for themselves.
Put up a site, throw up adsense and wait for the Google-Fairy to bring them money. Perhaps I am just mis-reading things, but when I hear about people talking about adsense, a lot of them seem to use that as their only source of revenue from publishing. That is a horrible business model.
It is not a bad way to support a hobby or create some supplemental income, but just relying on Adsense can't be considered a serious business plan, even if you manage to make lots of money with it alone. As you likely could be making much more with diversification.
Anyways, I think it is a good question. From what I can gather, the number of serious web publishers is small to begin with, so it stands to reason that the number of people earning a living from it is also relatively small.
I would love to know what percentage of adsense publishers NEVER get a check. I imagine it is a ridiculously high amount.
| 12:30 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Joax, consider this, can you see yourself making an income from this when you are 40? 50? Yes, it can provide a great income, but it is not certain to be something that is stable for the next 50 years. A college education will provide you with better knowledge and experience within your field (go for a business degree if you wish). |
I can't condone that advice. Establishing an running a profitable business at 17 is a much better learning experience than anything but a speciality degree in a college. Regardless if he does it right he will be able to go to college and run his business. In the long-term his business experiences now will be worth much more to him down the road than any college, unless he wants to be a Doctor, for example.
| 12:42 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Establishing an running a profitable business at 17 is a much better learning experience than anything but a speciality degree in a college. |
I agree with this EXCEPT that having a somewhat popular website and putting AdSense on it isn't necessarily a "business". In most cases it seems a little 1-dimensional. No offense to joax (or anyone else here), but I also don't think cranking out shallow articles on a multiplicity of subjects qualifies as a business -- or at least the kind of business that gives you experience outweighing what you can learn in college.
| 12:48 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for the advice, guys. I am considering many new alternatives such as taking a year off next year (before college) to see if I can get all my project ideas done.
That is a big IF since I will definitely make my decision based in the outcome of that experience per se. I have read about many people going to uni as late as in their 30's and possibly much later on - so maybe that's the right path for me.
About the $200 per day, I have to agree that it may not be the best income in the world, but consider that %50 of the population live with less than a dollar per day.
On a side note, I believe I have learnt much more online than at my school. Considering that English is my second language and I haven't really had had any good education in the language whatsoever makes me think that I could have simply skipped school from the beginning and started my online business. I can't think where I would be at right now.
This previous year I learnt more than in all my life combined (at least that's how I see it) - in the first six months of working online, I couldn't even set up a website straight. My first website consisted of 100 articles all about my life which I built over the period of six months. I understand now, that that is never the way to go as I only make about 2-3 dollars per day from that website. Nevertheless, exactly six months ago, I built another two websites - one related to History and the other to Halloween.
The Halloween website is, of course, seasonal - and from that website alone I made approx. 500 dollars by selling AD space last month.
The other website, the historical one, is making me an steady revenue of almost $20 per day and it's not even out of the sandbox.
Of course I have written a ton of articles about every possible subject within that website and I am still writing more (an average of two per day - totaling somewhere around 200).
And exactly two months ago, I decided to make my own online business. I didn't know how to approach it at first, because I made more mistakes than it's humanly possible. Nevertheless, I read these forums quite often and I found out a great deal of information which is helping me today write my first e-book to publish it in a couple of weeks.
When I turn 18, I will be able to finally set up my own online store (which I think is where the money is) which will hopefully give me a good revenue.
If that fails, then I will go to universe.
I hope I didn't bore you =) I just felt like sharing that with someone.
| 12:54 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Those figures at the top of this page (2) are interesting, but wouldn't we get a better idea of "averages" if we throw out the top 5% or so?
I'm no math major, but there must be something in there that tells us X number of accounts should be tossed to reach a more manageable guess.
Also- it's a real eye-opener to see a young man pinning his future on this program.
But then again, I pinned my hopes on some rather crazy ideas at his age, then got married, settled down to make a family and now I'm trying to figure out how I can quit my miserable job after I find my way to that proverbial pot of gold at the end of the Google rainbow.
A vicious cycle perhaps?
So this really could be the true meaning of life!
[edited by: Jenstar at 3:37 pm (utc) on Nov. 13, 2005]
| 1:10 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
How do you define successful?
I have a small bunch of hobby sites that existed well before adsense. They contain totally unique info on a variety of subjects. Info that simply isnt available anywhere else... In great detail.
A hundred pages total, all on free webspace! Because it never occured to me it would be of any value. But REAL useful unique detailed niche info. I have only ever updated say 12 to 15 pages in 2 years since adding adsense.
Now these 12(ish) sites earn me between 2500 and 3800 dollars monthly. mostly 2700 to 2800, extremely reliably. From 3500 page views per day. Mostly from google itself. Individually, all these sites vary horribly, but together average out.
GOOD content works, long term and will always be valuable.
Now since I am restricted to a wheelchair other forms of work is all but impossible. Is this an income?
I dunno... Its not a proper secure job thats for sure! But it allows me to monetise content that I would previously have made into a book.
Obviously here in the UK with huge expenses and taxes it will not pay the bills. But it helps. My GF on the other hand is Serbian (ex Yugoslavia) and tells me you could live really well on this amount there! I may move! I may add more REAl content and stay here.
| 2:36 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I almost forgot-
KUDOS to those that earn thousands a day in this program-
But it can't be common.
| 2:52 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
If you make $200 a day you need to put about $1500 to $2000 a month away into savings. Your going to need good savings in this business. Don't get into any debt. That means car or house. Buy a cheap car for cash. Do this until you have about $50K saved up. Don't touch that until you go out of business or have a lull. Work your ass off try to make way more than that. You need to have enough saved up to start over again. Be it finally go to school or start another site or business. That is a very boring but safe way to do this. If you have no payments but rent and even a few thousand in savings you can afford a failure pretty early on.
What happens most the time is people think wow I'm making $6000 a month i'm rich they go buy a car, house, spend $20K on stupid things they want on 90 days same as cash. Google does a number on them and boom they are at $50 a day all of a sudden. They have huge bills and no money to pay them.
Or like me I had a $30K month went on my honeymoon and came back to all my sites being banned in the G SERPS. I had no savings. I had a new wife, $1000 a month rent, and a $768 car note to pay. My company decided that this type of business was too risky and I had no job. Things are fine now but it was a hard lesson. I got my income back to a decent level and decided to play World of Warcraft for 5 months instead of working. My income went down dramatically again. New lesson "don't quit working".
So 2 points save and don't quit working.
| 4:39 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
yeah, every morning you should remember that. money is a great motivator, but money also makes lazy. simple and great advice here.
|It is not a bad way to support a hobby or create some supplemental income, but just relying on Adsense can't be considered a serious business plan, even if you manage to make lots of money with it alone. As you likely could be making much more with diversification. |
diversification is for those who find an environment where this is possible. remember adsense is by far the best money generating program for most publishers. googles idea to introduce text ads balanced in cpc is without overstatement a revolution in web advertisement.
seriously, so far for many of us publishers there simply is no other way to monetize our sites adequately.
but i agree, reserves are most important. get your earnings and save as much as you can for the worst case.
to this 17 year old guy: it's a blessing for you kids with all those new potentials in a rising market. finally we are able to make a living with a website. aah, being 17 again.. i'm a bit envious ;) (ok i'm also still young) but don't crack up bloke!
|$200 a day is NOT a decent income. |
|I have medical bills, retirement investment, new car, large sailboat |
and yes, $200 a day is a VERY decent income in any case. i don't need no sailboat, at least not yet :)
as for the 20/80 rule, i would second that.
| 6:08 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
200 a day seems like a nice goal
| 10:59 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>200 a day seems like a nice goal
If you set that as a goal, you need to think through how you get there. It's taken you 1 year to write enough articles to make $20. At that rate, it could take 10 years to reach your goal, by which time $200 may not be enough to support your then-lifestyle.
The other risk of your current approach - writing articles on anything and everything - is that as the search engines get cleverer, your traffic goes down despite writing more articles.
Another idea to consider is going to college to study a topic you can make use of in your online business - either something you enjoy writing about or even business itself. That way, you can learn how to run a business in the classroom and apply the lessons immediately to grow your online business.
| 2:01 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
As someone still very young, I am going to put all my earnings into a new car next month. I know it's stupid but I can't help it. LOL! I figure if something happens, I'll just sell the sites.
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