| 4:49 am on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)|
According to their site they have 1 month ot pay, so I wouldn't be looking for June's payment quite yet.
| 8:48 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I am waiting for the wonderful fragrance of my first google check :) How wonderful it is, google sends us traffic and payment checks ;)
| 9:12 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>How wonderful it is, google sends us traffic and payment checks
Even more wonderful for Google, they make 25% or whatever on the turn ;)
| 3:35 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
First of all they will need your tax id number, and that has not even been asked from the publishers.
And yes, it will be really nice to hold the first Google check. If anything because the logo will look really cool on the corner :D
|brotherhood of LAN|
| 3:41 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I was thinking they would consolidate last month and this month, since the network didnt open for a "full month" in June.
Suits me. Exchange $ checks to £ can be painful in small amounts...I'm happy waiting ;)
| 4:43 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|First of all they will need your tax id number, and that has not even been asked from the publishers. |
They need your taxpayer ID number only if they're required to file a report with the IRS (which doesn't happen until your earnings are $600 or higher). Apparently they only request taxpayer IDs from Google Answers researchers who've reached the $600 threshold, so I imagine they'll follow the same procedure with AdSense.
| 6:16 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
brotherhood of LAN... I very much sympathise with that predicament. NatWest charge me £10 each time I bank US cheques, though I can bank several at once for the same fee. Do you know any better alternatives?
|brotherhood of LAN|
| 7:10 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
If you have a friend over in the US, they might be able to help out, I think there is a way to cut out some of that cost.
I remember sending the last $ check to my bank, £30 fee and 3 weeks to clear. Maybe someone here exchanges a few of these and knows more about it.
Where there's a will theres a way ;-)
| 7:13 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I just hope they sort out international payment methods soon .. (I guess the chances of Google using Paypal will be close to zero ... )
| 7:53 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
For the UK guys:
I took a look at [citibank.com...] and apparently Citibank has a deal where the charge is only 20 pounds per month or free if you can keep more than 2,000 pouns with all of your accounts combined.
|US$ Current Account |
Non-interest bearing account.
A monthly service charge of $20 on each US$ Current Account will be levied where the credit balance, across your UK Citibank relationship, falls below the currency equivalent of £2000. This will be calculated, at the end of the monthly period, by applying the currency exchange rate on that day to the average balances in your UK Citibank accounts. "Sole" and "joint" accounts are viewed as different relationships.
US Dollar payments into a US Dollar Account are free.
| 9:41 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
nice tip cheers :)
| 9:58 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
If you do a search for dollar accounts, most of the High Street banks offer them too. Tos presumably forbid me launching an attack on business methods, ethics and costs of the same...
... not withstanding that, it may be worth you while calling your own back to see what they charge for a dollar account.
| 10:07 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>They need your taxpayer ID number only if they're required to file a report with the IRS (which doesn't happen until your earnings are $600 or higher).
Since the ugly subject of tax has come up, anyone any thoughts on what they are doing about UK residents (or even UK residents claiming to live in the Cayman Islands).
I can see a Mexican standoff with them refusing to release cheques to us unless we supply "a taxpayer ID number" which happily we do not have. I would expect a cheque over their limit for this month.
| 11:33 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|I can see a Mexican standoff with them refusing to release cheques to us unless we supply "a taxpayer ID number" which happily we do not have. I would expect a cheque over their limit for this month. |
Google's a multinational company. I'm sure it can figure out how to deal with partners outside the U.S.
| 7:00 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Two major US affiliate networks recently required overseas publishers to send them a W-8BEN "certificate of foreign status of beneficial owner for US Tax Witholding" form. Without it, they suggested they'd have to hold back commission checks or take off a % for tax.
I can see Google doing the same. The form, incidentally, requires that you get a US taxpayer identification number, which is a minor pain to do from overseas, and takes a few weeks to process.
Others may have more expertise on the ins and outs of all that. But as the legislators catch on to the money floating round the net, I expect the big corporations to tighten up on the paperwork aspect.
| 7:22 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
From a UK viewpoint.
My understanding of a W8Ben form is that it needs to be completed when you are Benificial Owner of a US asset and you receive income from this asset (EG US Shares that pay dividend income)
In the case of holding US shares if you do not complete a W8Ben 30% of tax is withheld - if you do sign a W8Ben then only 15% is withheld - this is due to a income tax treaty agreement between the UK and the States and prevents UK residents being taxed twice - basically by the US and then by the UK when you declare your income.
I would assume that as Adsense publishers UK residents are not a Benificial Owner of a US asset.
This is my understanding from a Stockbroking background, anyone from a tax background know different?
<added>And as Per Europeforvistors - Google is a Multi-National Company and they will have the means to pay oversea clients.</added>
| 9:39 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>I would assume that as Adsense publishers UK residents are not a Benificial Owner of a US asset.
This is where it becomes murky. Say I have a web site aimed at the US market and on a US server, but live in UK (or the Cayman Islands?
Probably nobody quite knows yet, but as others have said, I am sure a boatload of legislation is under way on both sides of the Atlantic - governments do not like the thought of people earning money offshore and shielding themselves from tax!
And yes, on this one I am off to see my accountant, but I suspect that he will not be able to give me a definative answer.
| 12:02 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Payday! Adsense now shows my first check as processed in the account information!
Everyone else getting the same thing?
| 12:11 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Yes a friend of mine told me that his account shows a July 10th payment processed.
Is everyone else hearing another nail being driven into competing ad networks coffins?
This is amazing, Google overdelivered from their advertised net 30 terms to an actual net 10+ days.
By the Way, the largest networks out there pay anywhere from net-30 to net-90.
[edited by: loanuniverse at 1:08 am (utc) on July 19, 2003]
| 12:47 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Saying its Net-10 may be pushing it :) I live in Southern California and haven't received the check. If they really processed the payment in it's entirety it'd be here by now.. Probably sent them out today.
I am grateful though as you've said that some ad networks take much longer.
| 2:14 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hmm, curiously mine is showing up as $8 short of what the reporting says I made in June, is everyone elses tallying up or are there small differences?
| 2:53 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Similar to Olias, I found that the processed amount did not match the June report. In my case, the check is $X more than June report. So, I am not sure what the accounting cycle would be. By June 30 or by July 10?
| 3:10 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Strange, mine was off by a few cents.
| 6:06 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I've also got a July 10th payment listed in my "account information" report, and it's $2.90 shy of the total that I supposedly earned in June. That's a tiny percentage of the total, but the discrepancy does seem odd. I wonder if Google could be using a third-party payment service that deducts a small transaction fee. (That's what one of my affiliate programs does.)
| 6:24 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It looked only I did get more credits from Adsense. As I posted earlier, I just could not understand how it could exceed the amount listed from June report if the accounting cycle was cut off by June 30. LET US AWAIT FOR THE CHECK TO SEE.
I wish that Google could use other alternative payment vehicle instead of the current check ASAP. Also, it would be great if it could include more details in the payment information, such as accounting cycle, adjustment listing (service charge, corrected CTR, etc.).
| 6:27 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Is everyone else hearing another nail being driven into competing ad networks coffins? |
I got an e-mail from a certain ad network recently telling me I had to reinstate their ads or they would shut down my account with them. It was nice to tell them to shove the untargetted $.15 CPM ads up their ***.
I know it's not a good idea to burn bridges but this was a pretty cheap bridge to start with.
| 10:59 am on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
personally i would be very careful about burning bridges if i was using other revenue/aff/ad networks before.
I get the feeling that people are getting revenues far exceeding what they were getting with existing arrangements.
I guess i would ask myself "Why are the returns so much out of kilter differentially?"
In a free market supply/demand world no ad network is going to provide that much more revenue to publishers than other options over and beyond what it would take publishers to use them as well as the others or maybe even ditch others for them.
Google gives no guarantees on revenue sharing, time-span of the program and can change terms and conditions whenever they want. They can fill your pages with public service ads, only deliver low commission clicks, or whatever they want. A lot depends on how effective content ads are seen to be by Adwords advertisers, who in the end are really the ultimate decision maker. Adsense is only the go-between between advertisers and publishers with ad inventory.
It suits me, but it may not suit others who have various options available or need to budget for ad revenue in the medium to long term with any degree of reliability.
Leave your options open i say, no matter how flirtatious adsense may be with you today. Tomorrow may well be different.
There is only a certain number of content pages devoted to viagra, drugs, data recovery,and gambling that the web can support!
That being said, if AdSense does indeed stabilise and reach critical mass, it may well transform the ad-serving, and to a lesser extent affiliate industry economies. If so, and even if the program changes dramatically in 6 to 12 months they may have changed what publishers, ad/aff networks and advertisers expect to pay/receive, as well as what types of sites can benefit, quite dramatically.
| 2:02 pm on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I know. The revenue from that other network wasn't worth keeping and 90 percent of my revenue come from subscriptions. Quarterly payments that come 90-days after the end of the quarter and ads that trick users into clicking shouldn't be tolerated regardless of alternatives. By accepting the terms they offered I wasn't only doing myself a disservice but all publishers who try to make a few dimes off of traffic.
They had it coming and Adsense just put it on the schedule.
| 10:46 pm on Jul 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
altyfc/brotherhood of lan
re: UK banks charging fees
I have a sterling current account with Citibank and they don't charge me a penny for banking USD cheques. I did consider opening a USD account with them so that I had more control over the exchange rate when I converted, but decided that the $2000 requirement was too onerous. However, I'm very pleased with the exchange rate they use and the fact that there's no charge. My only complaint is that they add the cheque to the account balance immediately, despite the fact that the cheque can take up to 10 days to clear, which makes keeping track of finances a little confusing.
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