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Who is going to use adsense referrals?
Are you?
Clark




msg:1375110
 6:09 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I only peaked at it quickly. Sounds like you need to put up one of those images. They aren't allowing you a text link, are they? Imagine the keyword targetting adsense could achieve if they did...

I might have tried the referral if it was a text link, but personally not going to add more space to an ad just for a referral link.

How about you? Using it or no?

 

Clark




msg:1375200
 4:10 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't miss this thread [webmasterworld.com...]

It sounds like G is counting ref buttons as impressions. As we know, G needs the tiniest excuse to turn smart pricing against you. In the interest of safety of your earnings, I wouldn't recommend their buttons.

Maybe ASA will come in to ensure us that it won't count against us. But even if he does, we've seen that GG had to state party line and provide misinfo...so I still would pull the code no matter what they say officially. The only time I'd consider it safe is the day they don't require a tracking code and allow just a text link. Why do they really need to track everything? Big Brother is watching you.

aeiouy




msg:1375201
 4:52 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, since I've already "referred" six people who've signed up for Adsense and earned over $100, it would've been nice to have this program from the start.

In the meantime, while $100 each isn't a ton of money, it is $100 more than I was going to get for helping a friend of mine get setup with an Adsense account for his new website.

That's how I'll use this program. Not put the buttons on any page that gets promoted, but instead just make sure that if any of my friends are going to sign-up, they click that button to do it. :)

That is what I think the intent of the program is... To give a little reward to people who were likely going to get people they KNOW to sign-up anyways. Provide a little extra encouragement. It is not intended to be a blind fishing net to necessarily capture every person who comes by...

As for the payout limitations, I don't really have an issue with it. A lot of google's policies regarding fraud and such revolve around accounts reaching their first payout. I think it would require a MAJOR overhaul to pay out referral fees before that, as it would circumvent a lot of the fraud checks that happen at the time of the first payout.

aeiouy




msg:1375202
 4:55 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

It sounds like G is counting ref buttons as impressions. As we know, G needs the tiniest excuse to turn smart pricing against you. In the interest of safety of your earnings, I wouldn't recommend their buttons.

There is no evidence that impression influence smart pricing at all.

Ankhenaton




msg:1375203
 4:59 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

$100,- in case a signed up publicher comes that high :\ once .. Since adsense is kind of a pyramid scheme, I would like a continuation and a percentage of signed up publishers. Cool would be some numbers so that one could make a professional assessment of the likelyhood of earnings. Guess that's not gonna happen.

Also in case someone clicks that button has a wee think and comes back later. Do we get the referral fee then too? Is it hooked to a cookie? What does the landing page look like? :\

In the moment 4 people live of our website :\. I'd rather welcome a more professional relationship with G as yet another referral scheme, that ultimately never will make enough money unless you might get 500 new adsense publishers over $100 a year. It also makes my site look to tacky, which my audience wouldn't like.

I really appreciate adsense, but any amazon like movements of G are not really appreciated. It kinda lived by it's nature/reputation to be informative meaningful ads that acknowledged the existance of commerce without ramming pointless or overanimated gimmick ads down your throat.

In my opinion G is sawing on their own stool leg [Sorry thats a bad translation :\], and I would rather prefer they wouldn't, also in my interest.

ronin




msg:1375204
 5:07 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I tried my site in firefox and whole sections of my page is gone.

Have you validated your HTML?

http://validator.w3.org/ [validator.w3.org]

And your CSS?

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ [jigsaw.w3.org]

david_uk




msg:1375205
 5:09 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is no evidence that impression influence smart pricing at all.

It's only been with us a day or so. We won't know how it works for a while yet. However, information on if it counts as an impression, and if it will be used against us in smart pricing are valid questions to ask.

ASA - info please!

david_uk




msg:1375206
 5:12 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is no evidence that impression influence smart pricing at all.

It's only been with us a day or so. We won't know how it works for a while yet. However, information on if it counts as an impression, and if it will be used against us in smart pricing are valid questions to ask.

Looking at my stats for the last couple of days impressions don't seem to have changed out of normal, and if they were counting each loading of the button as an impression I would have expected the stats to be inflated a lot on impressions.

ASA - info please!

a1call




msg:1375207
 5:16 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Have you validated your HTML?

[validator.w3.org...]

And your CSS?

[jigsaw.w3.org...]

or made sure your js code has the work arounds for firefox's dysfunctional js interpreter?

IMO Google associating itself with an at best, second rate browser is a mistake.

21_blue




msg:1375208
 5:22 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

david_uk wrote:
>Looking at my stats for the last couple of days impressions don't seem to have changed

I put up a referral button yesterday on a page containing a single ad unit, monitored by an URL channel. Today, impressions reported for that channel when selecting "pages" are exactly the same as impressions reported when selecting "ad units". From this I conclude that the referral button is not being recorded in impressions.

Clark




msg:1375209
 5:31 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are conflicting reports on whether it counts or not.

There is no evidence that impression influence smart pricing at all.

I never said it did. I was just urging caution. If you aren't paranoid about smart pricing then you aren't a real adsense publisher.

wrgvt




msg:1375210
 6:27 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I never said it did. I was just urging caution. If you aren't paranoid about smart pricing then you aren't a real adsense publisher.

Just wonderful. Next you're going to tell us what it takes to me a "real" man too? I try to avoid paranoia myself. I'll let you handle the paranoia and I'll just pocket my cash from AdSense.

21_blue




msg:1375211
 6:44 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

wrgvt wrote:
>I try to avoid paranoia myself

Ditto. As the Serenity prayer says: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference".

Clark




msg:1375212
 8:40 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe I should have said it differently. But you clearly have not delved into adsense much if you haven't had to face smart pricing.

There are people at all levels on this forum. If you used to make $65 bucks a month and smart pricing costs you $40, hey that sucks. But it isn't a big deal and you can attribute it to other things.

Add several zeros to that figure and then you're talking a business. When you give Google that kind of exposure you expect them to deliver on their side of the deal. And when they start to screw around with you, you don't need to accept what you cannot change. You take steps to change it. And we as publishers, when we share info with each other and act in unison can affect change. We aren't going to pressure them by splattering our sites with spammy referral images and let them use that as an excuse to smart price us.

I've given adsense 50% less ad space and earned only a bit less from them recently. Made up the difference in other places. Our reduced business alone may only represent a rounding error to them. But I can tell you that on our sites there is a large community of advertisers, and they know we are early adopters and watch us carefully. I know for a fact that I've sent customers to adwords who represent millions of dollars of ad business to them. Many of them joined the program because it was their only way to get a spot with us. We make exclusive deals w/ companies w/ the exception of the adsense spots so that was their only way into our site. Even there we got screwed because we get site targetted, have no way to turn it off, and CPM brings income down. The only way to remove that problem is to ban legitimate advertisers or ask them not to site target you. How ridiculous is that? You should be rewarded for having lots of advertisers want their ads on your site. Not be paid less...

Well now advertisers need to go to Overture for the same exposure they recently had. And it appears there are several other companies that offer alternatives beyond YPN and Chit.

We the publishers don't have to take it anymore. Our power goes beyond just the ad space we give them and they should appreciate us more.

If you want to take risks with smart pricing, either adsense doesn't represent a significant income to you, or you're new to the program. No offense by that. We're still on the same side. We're publishers. And my sincere hope is that you have great success with Adsense or any program of your choosing.

And that Google will tone down their mind games and you won't have to be as pissed as many of us are.

21_blue




msg:1375213
 10:22 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Clark wrote:
>you clearly have not delved into adsense much if you haven't had to face smart pricing...
>If you want to take risks with smart pricing, either adsense doesn't represent a
>significant income to you, or you're new to the program.

Clark, you've said some sensible stuff elsewhere, and I respect your right to manage your business the way you want to, but on the assumption that the above comments were aimed at my reply, the judgements you make about my business are incorrect. You might take a different view, but imho we simply don't have enough information about smart pricing to make rational, sound judgements. There is too much guesswork because we don't know, and will never know, which clicks convert.

In my view, it is a much better investment of time to concentrate on producing quality content. That decision is made on all the factors you say don't apply to us: we have faced up to the issue of smart pricing, particularly the extent to which we can make rational judgements; adsense is so significant to us that it is shifting the focus of our business; and we have been using the program for a year during which we have invested a very significant amount of time and money in research, analysis tools and statistically-based studies in order to lay a sound platform for business growth. We have organically grown the Adsense component of our business 5-fold in that time, so that we are now knocking on the door of the UPS club.

I say 'each to his own'. If you want to worry about smart pricing, that is your chosen strategy. Our attitude is that it is pointless trying to control something that is uncontrollable as far as we can see, and in the long run we think our time is better spent producing quality content rather than trying to outguess Google's algorithms, which may change tomorrow.

As I say, 'each to his own'. But the inferences you make based on the fact that we pursue a different strategy to you are simply incorrect.

Clark




msg:1375214
 10:30 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, fair enough.

21_blue




msg:1375215
 10:34 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Clark wrote:
>OK, fair enough.

Do mean we're not going to have a fight about this? What a shame. I was looking forward to another pistols-at-dawn session. :-)

Thanks for your gracious reply.

Clark




msg:1375216
 10:36 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

:)

Ankhenaton




msg:1375217
 11:12 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Do mean we're not going to have a fight about this? What a shame. I was looking forward to another pistols-at-dawn session. :-)

Come on, I already bought the popcorn and the supersized Diet Coke .. :(

Acceptance is the answer .. ;)

RareWS6TA




msg:1375218
 4:41 pm on Nov 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm giving it a try, added both yesterday on bottom of the footer, not bad actually, buttons look good on the site, not intrusive at all. but no click yesterday, just one today. I'll give it a good week to see the outcome.

BTW, the summary stats are counting button impressions, which skews stats. to see normal stats, go into details page.

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