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can i buy google stock-after the ipo
i am non american though
indiandomain




msg:1236660
 1:45 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

i was wondering if its possible for non americans to buy a stock in a US company.
i am waiting for the google IPO.
i am from india.

 

dmorison




msg:1236661
 1:53 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shouldn't be a problem. Millions of people own stock in companies from other countries other than their own.

I just did a quick Google search and found a few Indian stock brokers who will trade on Nasdaq, NYSE etc.

catch2948




msg:1236662
 2:37 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

LOL ... I am waiting for the IPO as well ...

I'm gonna buy several shares, then, as a legitimate stockholder, demand an honest explanation of what the heck is going on with this current Google mess :-)

Chris_R




msg:1236663
 2:42 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can't wait to read the shareholder proposals. Google is going to have their hands full.

Hopefully google will have a direct investment program which would save the non-americans some fees.

indiandomain




msg:1236664
 3:00 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks dmorison.
i didnt realise there would be Indian stock brokers who trade on Nasdaq.
ill do a research in my city.

do you guys think 5000$ would be a decent investment in the IPO.

rafalk




msg:1236665
 4:16 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

The trick is getting a hold of the stock in the first place. Considering that Google is now rivaling eBay in profit margins, you'll find it very hard to get a hold of Google stock before it shoots up into the stratosphere. That is unless you work for the underwriter . . . (but that's a whole nother story).

Chris_R




msg:1236666
 4:30 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think this stock will be more sensibly priced. It makes no sense for google to sell it for cheap.

Lets say they sell it for $10 a share and it goes up to $20 a share on the first day. That means who ever the advisors were - priced it wrong. The got half what the should have (psychological tricks aside).

I plan on buying a decent amount if I can get it for a good multiple. I think the days of IPO fever are over - although this will be the most closely watched in a long time.

Here are the best performing IPOs in recent history for 12 month period:

[biz.yahoo.com...]

A quick check revealed all are making a profit and 80% are trading at a somewhat reasonable level.

Some are of course losing money:

[biz.yahoo.com...]

An IPO isn't a guaranteed path to riches. Some people got rich off of IPOs, but many were part of a great wall street pump and dump scam which isn't likely to happen to google (nothing to pump).

Over the short term - 3 months - here are the best performing IPOs:

[biz.yahoo.com...]

Notice none are up more than 5%

Be careful when you invest your money. $5,000 is not too little to invest or too much to invest. Invest if you feel it is a good company for a good price.

I highly recommend any of Peter Lynch's books. PL is one of the few people (I can think of only one other - WB) with a truly PROVEN history of success on wall street. Anyone else is a talking head. Both PL and WB say pretty much the same thing.

dmorison




msg:1236667
 7:50 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

The media are going to go completely bazzerk when Google IPO, which will probably have a significant impact on the first few days trading whatever happens.

Remember: The value of PageRank can go down as well as up. Past SERP performance is no guarantee of future success.

olderscot




msg:1236668
 8:41 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just be careful when buying stock after an IPO. The issuing company will do everything they can to make the IPO a success (defined as a rising share price) and this includes:

1) Only issuing a small amount of the total stock available(often 10% or so)

2) Allocating a portion of the shares to 'friends and family' who are expected to hold the stock and not sell straight away.

3) Allocating another portion of the shares to corporate partners (yahoo, etc) who again will hold rather than sell.

The net result is that only a limited number of shares are available on the open market and these are often chased by day traders looking to make a fast buck. Small investors can end up buying at the short lived peak, just before the day traders start shorting the stock.

I'm sure there'll be great demand for google's stock on IPO. Do your own research and try not to get burned.

Rugles




msg:1236669
 12:29 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am not a huge investor in stocks but I have been investing for over 20 years.

Half of the stocks that I purchased as part of an IPO I lost money on. Very often they will price the stock higher than it is actually worth and take advantage of the demand.

So.... be careful folks. Just because Google is a great and profitable company does not mean you are going to make a killing on the IPO.

Man, am I ever pessimistic.

georgeek




msg:1236670
 12:47 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have some experience daytrading.

3-4 years ago, the time when IPOs would hit the market before lunch and then close the first day up 400-500% have long since gone. But the strategy will be the same for Google in my opinion - buy at the open and sell just before the close - pocket the money and don't look back.

Mardi_Gras




msg:1236671
 12:57 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

do you guys think 5000$ would be a decent investment in the IPO

indiandomain - please don't seek or offer advice on how much money you should invest in stocks here. We're web professionals - not stockbrokers. And any stockbrokers who are here won't be offering their professional opinion.

Thoughts on the Google IPO? Great topic...thoughts on how much you personally should invest...this is not the place to ask ;)

Midwest




msg:1236672
 6:39 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

The trick is getting a hold of the stock in the first place.

Exactly. Don't think every firm around the country isn't already aware of the potential IPO.

My brother is a broker and when I asked if he thought he'd be able to get any he laughed (which means simply, NO).

My .02

BriGuy




msg:1236673
 3:21 am on Jul 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Indian:

I would think that $5000 or so would be a good investment.

I WOULD suggest, however, diversifying your investments a bit by purchasing other stocks in addition to a Google IPO (if/when there is one).

I'd suggest investing in an index fund or two. You can find a great readup on them here: [fool.com...]

Basically, index funds let you diversify (thus lowering risk) without the great cost usually associated with diversifying (i.e. the broker commissions on all the stocks you trade).

pontifex




msg:1236674
 5:28 pm on Jul 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

The problem is, if you want to buy for 5 grants, you probably will be assigned with half or a third or none...

I talked to my banker in germany and he told me that it will be very hard to get your hands on these stocks in the first 10 minutes of trading, but that would be, what we would try with 200 grant, while i expect to get 20% of the desired amount.

only waiting for G to start ;-)
P!

scorpion




msg:1236675
 9:53 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you wanted to make a sensible investment for the long term (i.e. buy google stock after the IPO to hold for a long time) would you

1. Buy it right on that day
2. Wait a few days/weeks/months to cool down
3. Wait even longer and the first sign of a problem, scoop up the stock?

Chris_R




msg:1236676
 9:59 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you really want to buy the stock for the long term - you would be best to try some form of dollar cost averaging.

Basically - you decide how much you want to invest - and assume the market is going to price it somewhat fairly.

Then you split this over a few time periods.

Lets say you have 5,000 to invest. You could break this up into four purchases.
Buy 1250 on the day of the ipo.
Another $1250 a week later.
Another $1250 a month later.
Another $1250 a month later.

This will allow you to buy more shares when the stock is cheaper and less when the stock is more money.

It will cost you four times the transaction fees on the buy end, but would not cost you any more on the sell end - assuming you bought them all to the same account.

lazerzubb




msg:1236677
 10:02 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I talked to my banker in germany and he told me that it will be very hard to get your hands on these stocks

The people i spoke to agree on that too (They handle a few hundred million in funds)

They thought it would be a very tiny chance the public would get their hands on the stocks the first month, and predicted that investment companies would start selling stocks during the second month.

SlowMove




msg:1236678
 10:07 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Any ideas on what Google will be doing 2 or 3 years from now? It would seem to me that as a search engine only they couldn't be doing too much better.

gopi




msg:1236679
 7:55 pm on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Indiandomain , its true anyone can invest in USA but until last year investors from india need Indian Reserve Bank Clearance to invest abroad ( classic indian government redtape!).

But from January 2003 there is no restriction and investors can invest freely in the world market . I am not sure its a time limited one or this is going to continue forever.

[business-standard.com...]

vibgyor79




msg:1236680
 8:42 am on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

IndianDomain - I don't think you can invest in Google because of RBI regulations. You can only invest in companies that have a percentage stake in an Indian company or have a fully owned subsidiary here.

For example, you can invest in companies like Castrol, UniLever, HP through NASDAQ, NYSE etc. That's because Castrol runs Castrol India, UniLever has a stake in HLL and so on.

So, unless Google opens a subsidiary here or buys a stake in Rediff or Sify, you cannot invest in Google.

gopi




msg:1236681
 6:51 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Vibgyor , it was the case until last year but from 2003 Jan Indian individuals can now make unlimited investments in shares of foreign companies ... pls refer to the article i posted earlier .

IMO , india should lift all restrictions on free trade/investment ...50 years of state controlled economy took india nowhere!

Shane




msg:1236682
 9:31 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)


vibgyor79,

Interesting restrictions trying to keep the investments at home or in companies thet invest in your country.

.....$hane

vibgyor79




msg:1236683
 5:13 am on Jul 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Gopi -

From the article that you posted -

the foreign company in which investment is to be made should be listed abroad and further it should have at least 10 per cent stake in an Indian listed company

So the number is 10 percent. You can only invest in foreign companies that have atleast 10 percent stake in Indian LISTED companies.

I remember this because there was a discussion on CNBC India. I bet there are many more fine prints ;)

Blue Gravity




msg:1236684
 3:50 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think once Google releases their IPO you'll see it as the most purchased stock in one week by a good 90% of the SEO'ers out there than ever before.

gopi




msg:1236685
 12:43 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Vibgyor , maybe you are right , i didnt looked into it fully ;) ...

TomWaits




msg:1236686
 2:46 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Microsoft has $49 billion in cash. There ain't gonna be no Google IPO. Serg gets a $2 billion check, and Larry gets a $2 billion check. $1 billion goes to the rest of the players.

Google gets built into the next version of Windows: Windows Goo.

the_nerd




msg:1236687
 6:33 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Before you throw your money at ANY hot investment, look at the past: there almost always has been a chance to get in cheaper several years after the IPO. Even if it's the best Company in the Industry, that doesn't mean they'll earn a lot in the long run. MS and YY will want their part of the market and they HAVE to get it. Remember Netscape?

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