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Google Office
Google's CEO and Sun to Announce Partnership
martinibuster




msg:1232906
 8:46 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

According to ZDNet News [news.zdnet.com]:

Sun Microsystems and Google plan to announce a collaborative effort that some analysts speculate could elevate the profile of the OpenOffice.org...

Details won't emerge publicly until Google CEO Eric Schmidt and Sun CEO Scott McNealy take the stage on Tuesday at a news conference in Mountain View, Calif. But one strong possibility is a partnership that could help shift personal computing out of Microsoft's domain and into Google's.

A move to distribute and popularize OpenOffice or StarOffice would be a challenge to Microsoft's money maker, Office, which could significantly weaken it's revenue stream.

Sun's president posted this to his blog [blogs.sun.com] on Sunday:

But value is returning to the desktop applications, and not simply through Windows Vista... From the obvious, to music sharing clients and development tools, there's a resurgence of interest in resident software that executes on your desktop, yet connects to network services. Without a browser. Like Skype. Or QNext. Or Google Earth. And Java? OpenOffice and StarOffice?

If I were a betting man, I'd bet the world was about to change.


 

incrediBILL




msg:1232936
 5:28 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Consdidering Microsoft virtually decimated their competition in the email and browser industries just by giving theirs away for free, I think there's a huge pile of karma about to come back to bite them in the rump.

Personally, I think Microsoft thought they could just take control of the standards for email and browsers by destroying companies that charged for those products and then they could just do whatever they wanted.

Funny thing is, there isn't any standards for something like Office except that it needs to exchange data with other applications so if someone like Google can teach them a lesson in being a large corporate bully, then god bless them and godspeed.

<strong words from an atheist, eh?>

surfin2u




msg:1232937
 5:46 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Everyone is talking about google and sun competing with MS office, but this is all speculation based on guesswork by one analyst. It's possible that they will collaborate on something completely different.

The article that I read mentioned that "Google could be buying Sun servers to run the Wi-Fi network".

andy_boyd




msg:1232938
 5:51 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seems to be a partnership based around Java and the Google Toolbar.

incrediBILL




msg:1232939
 5:52 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

What SPECULATION?

It's OFFICIAL!

Sun, Google in office software pact :
[news.yahoo.com...]

econman




msg:1232940
 5:54 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

This move is perfectly logical for Google, and fully consistent with its recent moves with respect to Firefox.

Google has no direct interest in office productivity software, but it cares a lot about Linux vs. Windows as well as IE vs. Firefox; and, of course, it cares enormously about the Search market.

MS has a consistent pattern of trying to obliterate the competition in every important market they enter, following a "winner takes all" approach to competition.

Google knows that MS is coming at them with all guns blazing. MS announced a long time ago plans to weave search technology tightly into the fabric of the next generation of Windows.

If MS is successful, it could destroy the incentive for anyone to use Google for searches.

So, given these circumstances the best -- perhaps the only viable -- defense for Google is to mount a strong offense: do whatever it takes to reduce revenues flowing to MS, and reduce the stranglehold MS has over so many users -- so that they will be less likely to adopt the new MS offerings, and more likely to continue using Google for their searches.

atadams




msg:1232941
 6:01 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm confused. What exactly are they going to be doing?

caine




msg:1232942
 6:01 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

does this mean openoffice is going to cost, i've been using it on all my new boxes for the last couple of years, and especially like OO's file formats, as in you can read all of MS office's file formats with Open Office but not vice versa - certainly not what i've seen anyway.

Also since is it multi format - you can't moan - unless you need all the visual crap of office.

Fair play to Sun and Google - but i'm hanging a little to see how much they will be charging for it

rmjvol




msg:1232943
 6:04 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Better" is the only way to win that contest, and due to the pain of changing software, "much better" is probably the only thing that would work.

I'll agree with you on the short term but I don't think this is about getting corporate America (and the world) to toss out MSOffice today. It's positioning for a few years down the road.

I think it's about getting good, free software into the hands of students, teachers, and small shops like most of us.

5 years from now, retrainig won't be much of an issue if the workforce of tommorow is becoming familiar with the software today. So they don't need to be better or much better, "comparable and free" will be the winning edge down the road.

atadams




msg:1232944
 6:09 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is all this just saying that the Google Toolbar will be in the JRE?

andy_boyd




msg:1232945
 6:14 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

From what I can gather, the Google Toolbar will be an optional install bundled within the JRE download.

They are all being very very cautious about divulging information on this deal aside from the JRE / Toolbar deal. Direct questions about a webOS are getting very grey answers.

jenkers




msg:1232946
 6:14 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

just a question...

how much retraining would people need to use OpenOffice? from my experience most people only scratch the surface of the functionality anyway - if you look at the OpenOffice2 beta its incredibly easy to use and there is a hell of lot of funtionality in there (been trying base on different db formats and its been working extremely well).

Dunno about anywhere else, but I work for a (large, fairly prestigious) bluechip here in the UK and nobody ever gets any training on this kind of stuff anyway.

webquest




msg:1232947
 6:17 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Memo to Google and Sun: Don't call newsconferences touting big announcements when all you're announcing is some kind of mundane bundling deal.

carguy84




msg:1232948
 6:38 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

We're a small business, also, and I doubt that we could successfully pass MS Office costs to our customers, and I know we can't absorb those costs. OpenOffice may have its warts, but it's effective enough to do what we need.

OK, now I get what you were saying. You are talking about the cost of the Suite, not the cost to maintain it from an IT perspective. I'd imagine the cost to maintain OOo would be higher as it is a new "technology". Plus the cost of maintenance when incompatibility issues arise.

I don't think there would be a lot of retraining employees. OOo is fairly simplisitic. So as long as you're not a power Office user, I think the switch would be painless.

Chip-

freeflight2




msg:1232949
 6:42 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

as long as you're not a power Office user, I think the switch would be painless.
some webbased AJAX / "rich" editors can already cover 99% of what the typical user usually does with word
incrediBILL




msg:1232950
 6:46 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Memo to Google and Sun: Don't call newsconferences touting big announcements when all you're announcing is some kind of mundane bundling deal.

Nothing mundane about Google firing a loud shot across Microsoft's bow.

I've been giggles all morning as Google is the last knight left standing to take up the fight lost by Lotus, Word Perfect and IBM with it's final failed OS/2 attempt in the early 90s. Think about it, they were all mighty titans of their day and lost miserably to Microsoft, this is DEATHMATCH 2005 GOOGLE vs. MS and I'm loving every minute of it.

BTW, your price per PC is already lower thanks to OpenOffice as anyone buying a home PC can say "NO THANKS!" to MS Works (blech), MS Office or the Lotus Suite (pew!)

incrediBILL




msg:1232951
 6:47 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't think there would be a lot of retraining employees. OOo is fairly simplisitic.

A lot of employees are way more simplistic than OpenOffice, you'll be surprised.

TinkyWinky




msg:1232952
 7:11 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

A little selling going on whilst everything settles down?

MSFT 24.99 -0.51
GOOG 313.45 -5.23
SUNW 4.22 +0.03

econman




msg:1232953
 7:23 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

To answer an earlier question, I expect the "price" charged for OpenOffice when downloaded from Google will be the same as most of Google's other offerings (free).

This also happens to the exact same price being charged by other providers of OpenOffice.

The key difference is that Google is in an ideal position to let millions of people learn about this alternative.

physics




msg:1232954
 7:23 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

It does seem momentum for OpenOffice is growing, especially considering the recent related story
Massachussetts moves toward "the open desktop" Important win for open-source? [webmasterworld.com]
This and related initiatives could certainly help jump start any OpenOffice/GoogleOffice campaigns.

brakthepoet




msg:1232955
 7:51 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

You are talking about the cost of the Suite, not the cost to maintain it from an IT perspective.

I'm actually referring to both. There are going to be maintenance costs no matter what software is used. Why add licensing costs on top of that? Or add costs if there is an accidental lapse in the license? Or add costs of a sudden change in the license or a forced upgrade [64.233.167.104]? Or add costs to use a format that might not be accessible in the future?*

I haven't heard much one way or another from admins on which is easier to deploy or keep running. If Sun is serious about OpenOffice, they'll work to fix any maintenance issues.

* See post # 4 in this old thread on who can and can't open certain .doc formats [webmasterworld.com ]

zafile




msg:1232956
 7:57 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

[news.zdnet.com...]

[news.yahoo.com...]

The above news can be resumed in one word: HYPE.

This is reality:

[microsoft.com...]

[edited by: zafile at 8:02 pm (utc) on Oct. 4, 2005]

Chndru




msg:1232957
 8:00 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

It is sad to see SUN milking off Google for all it's worth. Notice the hype statements by Sun CEO, "There is going to be a lot of money flowing both ways if we do this thing right" as well hosting mundane webcasts and bundling google toolbar announcements.

It just isn't google style and they are not gaining anything significant out of it. There wasn't even a press release from google, but, the president of SUN says in his blog, "the world is about to change this week", predicting new ways to access software." doh!

carguy84




msg:1232958
 8:29 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

A lot of employees are way more simplistic than OpenOffice, you'll be surprised.

No surprise here, I deal with it everyday, wasn't sure who you were referring to. However, if these overly simplistic employees can learn MSFT Office, picking up OOo won't be the hurdle all the naysayers are squaking about.

Ctrl N or Ctrl O.

Type type type type, bold, type type type, list, type type type type.

Ctrl S.

Simplistic. :)

It is sad to see SUN milking off Google for all it's worth.

Same thing crossed my mind.

BradleyT




msg:1232959
 9:24 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Must be nice to have employees who know to use CTRL O and CTRL S.

I'd say over 75% of the workforce don't - based on previous job in helpdesk.

kevinpate




msg:1232960
 9:52 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

CTRL O

Ok, I found the Ctrl key, so I type it:
1 time if I want the C;
2 times if I want the t;
3 times if I want the r;
4 times if I want the l ... right?
Can't I just use the individual keys, cause this seems like a lot of work!

.oO(suspects that conversation has probably played
out at some helpdesk somewhere)Oo.

zootreeves




msg:1232961
 10:10 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

OpenOffice should offer free training online, i.e. once a company upgrades they can send there employees for free live training via video or chat or something.

shri




msg:1232962
 11:55 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jeez .. and I thought that the partnership was about something tangible, like Google adopting Sun's new hardware for its clusters / server farms. :)

Its been summed up here.


"There really isn't much depth to this partnership," said industry analyst Rob Enderle.

"I think Eric is doing this as personal favor for Scott," he said. "It provides a certain amount of press and visibility to Sun when there hasn't been very many positive things going on at the company."

I used to work for a great company once upon a time.. then they started announcing meaningless partnerships with companies like Siebel, BEA etc.. just distracted people from their focus of selling the core products because the guys at the top wanted the sales force to do "something" so that they could pat each other on the back.

LeoXIV




msg:1232963
 2:20 am on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

well i watched the entire recorded webcast [it crashed 6 times!], it seems it is more about promoting Java and Google toolbar. I dont think Google putting its weight on Java would really influence the mind of .Net developers to switch to Java! they are just simply two different products, with their own cult/following/mentality/cultures.

carguy84




msg:1232964
 4:39 am on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Must be nice to have employees who know to use CTRL O and CTRL S.
I'd say over 75% of the workforce don't - based on previous job in helpdesk.

Time for some efficiency training before the Bobs come in... ;)

websitegal




msg:1232965
 5:11 am on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gooffice 2006?

boselecta




msg:1232966
 11:16 am on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you were Google and wanted to build some form of hosted office suite or other forms of rich UI apps would you seriously consider using AJAX?
Java is the only option (other than Flash - ack) and so helping distribute Java could be seen as helping to prepare the ground.

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