homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.237.95.6
register, free tools, login, search, subscribe, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Pubcon Website
Home / Forums Index / Google / Google Finance, Govt, Policy and Business Issues
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: goodroi

Google Finance, Govt, Policy and Business Issues Forum

    
Google Offers to Provide Free Wifi for all of San Francisco
Responds to Mayor Gavin Newsom's RFI
lorenzinho2




msg:1232162
 1:41 am on Oct 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here's the Reuters Story [today.reuters.com]

 

BennyBlanco




msg:1232163
 1:43 am on Oct 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google Bids on Free Wifi In San Francisco [apnews.myway.com]

The Mountain View, Calif.-based company filed an application late Friday to provide wireless, or "WiFi," service that would enable anyone in San Francisco to connect to the Internet.

Google submitted its 100-page bid in response to a request from Mayor Gavin Newsom, who is looking for a company to finance a free wireless network to lower the financial barriers to Internet access in his city.

More than a dozen other bidders are competing with Google.

apfinlaw




msg:1232164
 2:09 pm on Oct 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

[10news.com...]

The Mountain View, California-based company filed an application late on Friday to provide a wireless, or Wi-Fi, service that would enable anyone in San Francisco to connect to the internet.

Google submitted its 100-page bid in response to a call for proposals from San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom, who is looking for a company to finance a free wireless network to lower the financial barriers to internet access in his city.

3

sun818




msg:1232165
 12:35 am on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here's the link from our local newspaper, San Francisco Chronicle:

[sfgate.com...]

Let's see 30 access points per square mile. With San Francisco at 49 square miles, that is 1,470 access points. But considering we have a big artificial park (Golden Gate Park) and some other non-residential mountainous areas, the number of installed WAPs will probably be much lower.

Didn't Google buy a utilities/electric company? Think they will use electric lines to transmit data?

shortbus1662




msg:1232166
 3:07 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dear Google,

Please put Edmond, OK on your next list of cities to provide free wifi internet access. I'll be moving there soon...

It might not be a bad idea for publicity either. It's in the heartland, and stuff like that doesn't come around here until it's usually already everywhere else.

Why not start in the middle and expand outward!

Sincerely,

--Tired of Plugging in.

stef25




msg:1232167
 3:11 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

will they require some kind of proof of ID to use this? surely yes cause i cant imagine google also wanting to give people anonymous internet access

billegal




msg:1232168
 4:05 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Didn't they announce a VPN?

Anyone take a look through the 100 page proposal yet?

LeoXIV




msg:1232169
 4:12 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

will they require some kind of proof of ID to use this?

how about a 'Google account'? :) orkut is already integrated ...

stef25




msg:1232170
 4:19 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

i meant more for legal reasons. things like illegal downloads and worse - that can only be tracked through your ISP

Am i wrong in thinking google would be acting as an ISP here?

shortbus1662




msg:1232171
 4:30 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Am i wrong in thinking google would be acting as an ISP here?

Considering they would be Providing and Internet Service...
.
.
.
I would say....NO, you would not be wrong. :)

kevinpate




msg:1232172
 4:41 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Edmond, OK ... I'll be moving there soon...

Welcome to Oklahoma! Free Wi-Fi sweeping across the plains, and through the cities, would be nice indeed, but the existing OKC metro broadband selections ain't too shabby, and folks are enjoying the existing local wi-fi growth each passing month it seems.

shortbus1662




msg:1232173
 5:35 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

I live in Enid already. Making the move south just to get away from all my family here :). The only wifi around here is emitted from my office upstairs...

martinibuster




msg:1232174
 5:49 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

What hasn't been mentioned yet is how a move into being an ISP will affect a partner like Earthlink. How does Earthlink feel about it?

Donald Berryman, executive vice president of municipal networks for Earthlink, asked whether Google had the know-how to be an Internet service provider. And providing the deal for free, he said, is not sustainable in the long run.

Yahoo partnered with SBC out here. But if Google starts running away with the eyeballs it's going to hurt Earthlink and other ISPs in the long run.

Could this be the beginning of an evolutionary change in the way we access the internet, where old models are supplanted by new ones?

Kirby




msg:1232175
 6:08 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

if Google starts running away with the eyeballs it's going to hurt Earthlink and other ISPs in the long run.

Could this be the beginning of an evolutionary change in the way we access the internet, where old models are supplanted by new ones?

Bingo! Most have agreed with MS, that it's about control of the desktop, but the core battle has always been about control of the eyeballs.

ronin




msg:1232176
 6:24 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is awesome.

I thought having a free wireless network running down the length of Upper Street in Islington was fairly progressive, but Google evidently has bigger ideas than Islington council.

lorenzinho2




msg:1232177
 6:29 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

So how will G serve ads through Wifi access?

Will it be done via the mandatory toolbar download?

Or will we see a Google browser soon with ads integrated in (like Opera used to be)?

Or will there be a log in page every time you access Google Wifi that serves ads targeted to you, or your clickstream data?

How is this going to play out?

Namaste




msg:1232178
 7:05 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have seen a free ISP in India, it requires a toolbar that serves competitive links for any website visited. I hear the company is doing quite well.

This explains all the dark fiber that Google is buying.

Google's tagline is no longer "to organise the world's information" its now "to serve the whole world ads"

martinibuster




msg:1232179
 7:14 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's a bold vision, and dazzling when you think that with only four thousand employees Google can conceptualize these projects faster than other companies with ten times as many employees.

walkman




msg:1232180
 8:59 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> only four thousand employees Google can conceptualize these projects

dreaming them is hard, but still the easy part :). Google is outsourcing this, at least the tech part. They will probably try in SF and see how it works out. Hard to tell unless you try, but if SF turns them down, it will be a black eye for Google.

As far as eyeballs go: I get my cable from Time Warner and Earthlink, but I have MSNBC as my home page.

tictoc




msg:1232181
 10:45 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Edmond and Enid - wow I did not realize so many OKlahomans were on WebmasterWorld. I am orig from OKC.

Dear Santa Google,
I sure wish google would bring their free Wifi to ALL Airports and Dallas,TX!

whoisgregg




msg:1232182
 11:25 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's not just about the eyeballs, it's about knowing what people are doing online. Being able to log even roughly what a city of 740,000+ people is doing online would give the chosen provider valuable insight. If the provider can leverage that knowledge against an existing product (tracking user behavior after an internet search), that is an even greater benefit.

Who says Google would need to do this for the whole country to gain the benefit I describe? They could do this "at a loss" for as few as a dozen cities across the globe to get statistically significant data.

(ISP's are already selling their logs for this kind of data mining, so no need to make a fuss about this being a new privacy concern.)

walkman




msg:1232183
 11:55 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

whoisgregg,
How dare people expect any privacy. What's wrong with sharing with Google and the entire world what you search and where you are all the time?

My guess is that SF is taking a hard look at the privacy implications. If it's Govt' sponsored it's a different animal from Joe Schmo agreeing to have GoogleCam see what he eats so ads can pop up when dessert time comes

whoisgregg




msg:1232184
 3:00 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

whoisgregg,
How dare people expect any privacy

Don't mistake my comment for suggesting it is not a privacy concern. I went to the effort to point out it isn't a new privacy concern. I could have put it less succinctly: "Just because you didn't know this was happening, don't think it's Google's original idea or try to hijack the thread into the privacy implications of this activity."

I'd be all for a discussion of the privacy implications of ISPs selling access to their traffic logs, but that's not what this thread is about. (Since that topic isn't intrinsically about Google, free Wi-fi, or the city of SF.)

ThatAdamGuy




msg:1232185
 4:28 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

My guess is that SF is taking a hard look at the privacy implications. If it's Govt' sponsored it's a different animal from Joe Schmo agreeing to have GoogleCam see what he eats so ads can pop up when dessert time comes

I fail to see how this is a particularly unique privacy or civic issue.

As Gregg noted, other ISPs undoubtedly share non-personally-identifiable surfing records with third parties. And frankly, I detest Comcast and that gouger Earthlink ($50/month for DSL? Bastids!) far more than I fear Google :).

Also, I don't forsee that government / taxpayer funds would be going to Google. And lastly, this'd be a fully voluntary service; don't trust Google? Don't log in to their Wifi service.

Seems not only benign, but quite wonderful to me. Sayonara T-Mobile Hotspot fees! Bye bye overpriced internet cafe fees :). As someone else said... dang, how long 'til Google wires up some airports? Now THAT would rock!

yokelrobin




msg:1232186
 2:05 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Perhaps G could offer adverts for shops you are near your exact position (I assume that could be detected?).

So you sit in a cafe searching for a new TV and the ads say "Hey! There's a place just over the road from you!"

inasisi




msg:1232187
 11:54 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Now if only I was in SF and some one came out with a cell phone that will use WiFi instead of cell signals, I could kiss good bye to my outrageous cell phone bills.Sigh! Cell phone costs in the US really stink expecially for the lousy service we get. Even under developed countries have better service, I am sure.

Rick_M




msg:1232188
 2:42 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was suprised when I was in the Las Vegas airport, they had free wireless internet access. I don't remember who the provider was, but it worked fairly well. When you log in, they had a splash screen asking for an email address, and that was it. I didn't even have to confirm the email address from what I recall.

I'm sure there are many ways that Google could come up with that would help defray costs. Just the thought of offering "premium access", different ways of delivering targetted ads, etc - but I'm more curious how they plan on delivering it in the most cost effective way. I'm sure there are some novel ideas of how to do it, which could mean it won't be long before seeing it in a city nearby.

Very cool!

As for those people in rural areas - just go to the Holiday Inn Express lobby :)

johnhalonen




msg:1232189
 8:41 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

The implications of Google going past San Francisco must be a dreaded thought in the mind of entrepreneurs
that were only a year or two away from cashing in. If this works, it will change the internet world and put Google at the top for years to come. Bye Yahoo, AOL, etc. All publications to the consumer will be affected.
As a consumer, I only hope that it does as our access to information now is controlled by so few. That is, unless Google begins to control the access.

sun818




msg:1232190
 7:56 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

EarthLink has the WiFi contract for Philadelphia:
[infoworld.com...]

If Google does not cover San Francisco, someone else will.

eCommando




msg:1232191
 8:33 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

GoogleNet coming sooner than we think?

Huge Lease for GoogleNet at 111 Eighth Ave.

Google has leased 270,000 square feet of space at 111 Eighth Avenue, one of the largest carrier hotels in Manhattan, according to the New York Post. The enormous lease is the most visible sign yet of the GoogleNet, the long-rumored national IP backbone Google is stitching together from its bulk purchases of dark fiber. In recent weeks Google has begun to take the wraps off its ambitions for a range of IP-based services, including VoIP, chat, video-on-demand and WiFi Internet access. The reported lease at 111 Eighth shows that the construction of such "alt-Nets" could become a significant driver of leasing for data centers and telecom hotels. Industry veterans quoted in thePost story are impressed:

"They are building a network," said Hunter Newby, chief strategy officer with telecom specialist firm Telx. "None of us have ever seen any type of network buildup on this scale before."

Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Google / Google Finance, Govt, Policy and Business Issues
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved