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Google lets slip talk of online storage
engine




msg:1232336
 3:34 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google is preparing to offer online storage to Web users, creating a mirror image of data stored on consumer hard drives, according to company documents that were mistakenly released on the Web.

Google lets slip talk of online storage [news.com.com]

This is the previously rumored GDrive online storage service.

 

LeoXIV




msg:1232337
 3:38 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

you are quick engine! i was just posting it :)

okay back to watching 'minority report'

trillianjedi




msg:1232338
 3:40 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

When asked to confirm plans for a GDrive, a Google spokeswoman declined to comment on any specific service but confirmed that presentation containing the notes had been mistakenly released on the Web.

Yeah right ;-)

Probably the best marketing machine in the World.

Pass the Dutchie




msg:1232339
 3:42 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yea they need some 'spin' as thier stocks drop. Need more than spin G to keep the investors happy.

walkman




msg:1232340
 3:47 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't wait to let Gbot scan all my private information and files!

Content Writer




msg:1232341
 3:49 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't wait to let Gbot scan all my private information and files!

...and then *mistakenly* release them on the web. Me neither.

AhmedF




msg:1232342
 3:55 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

This board has become too vehemently anti-google.

walkman




msg:1232343
 3:57 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> ...and then *mistakenly* release them on the web. Me neither.

either that, a hacker, release them to a wife seking a divorce, or the local police looking for clues in the latest tire slashing. Basically, just not worth it. A new hard drive costs about $100 and I control it.

>> This board has become too vehemently anti-google.

or honest. Should we cheer everything Google does?

longen




msg:1232344
 3:59 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't wait to let Gbot scan all my private information and files!

You do realize that if you refuse to take part your ISP will terminate your internet account.

b0rdslide




msg:1232345
 4:01 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Didn't think it would take long for them to make more moves into this area once they announced that Google Desktop would make copies of your local documents and store them on googles servers.

MatthewHSE




msg:1232346
 4:05 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

<sarcasm> I can't believe it. This is so exciting. I can't wait to let Google crawl all my personal documents, maybe even some private ones, and all my e-mail and contacts, and store it all for me. How handy! Maybe soon I'll even be able to get relevant AdWords ads in a convenient sidebar when I'm typing a letter in Word. Of course, the more transparent all this is to me, the better. It's not like I really want or need to know when my data is being sent to Google... </sarcasm>

Seriously speaking, it's no wonder they're putting up such a fight about the government wanting some of their search data. It's all a big PR stunt. With plans like these, they definitely need to make people think they're very privacy minded. (Which I don't believe for a second, except as it relates to protecting their bottom line.)

skibum




msg:1232347
 4:09 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't think it's anti-Google specifically. Why would you want to hand over all (or part) of your private business and personal data to Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Ask or any other company? Do you want one company to know where you go online, what you do, what you search for, how much your business makes, where all of the traffic to your sites comes from, have copies of all your email communications, and then use that company to store all the information you have on your hard drive? Then one day, your private info is exposed on the web due to a security breach or Google has to hand over all that data to the govt for some reason or other.

Sure, a lot of that info is already out there but at least it is spread among different entities.

moltar




msg:1232348
 4:10 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

You can just zip them up and password protect the archive ;)

I wonder if they'll support rsync or FTP or something cool automated way...

TravelSite




msg:1232349
 4:41 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I wonder if we could ever have a situation where the main copy of your files was held by Google - Google would be your hard drive, host all your programs (and licences), even provide processing power etc. In short it would be your computer.

You would then boot up a dumb terminal - perhaps your tv, tablet or pc/laptop - and connect to Google. All file manpulation, processing etc would be done at Google. The only thing that Google would need to send back to you would be data for your peripherals (screen image, joystick feedback, printer info).

You would get all the benefits and functionality of a PC ... without needing a PC. Companies and comsumers would buy touch screen devices, monitors and keyboards - but not the actual computer hardware. Obviously you would pay a fee to use Google in this way.

I've also been thinking about how Google would be keeping copies of peoples files. I guess Google would just keep one copy of a unique file it finds, then every time it sees a dulpicate on someones harddisk it would link to the original file. Google would be able to compress vast amounts of information in this way, though would also have easy access to what files people have or had in the past.

skuba




msg:1232350
 7:08 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't even consider installing google desktop or MSN desktop search on my computer.

adfree




msg:1232351
 1:21 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

[news.yahoo.com...]

Haecceity




msg:1232352
 8:05 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Interesting story on the Beeb...

Google 'planning total storage'

Google is the world's foremost search engine
Web giant Google is planning a massive online storage facility to encompass all users' files, it is reported.

The plans were allegedly revealed accidentally after a blogger spotted notes in a slideshow presentation wrongly published on Google's site.

[news.bbc.co.uk ]

wildbest




msg:1232353
 8:30 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't wait to let Gbot scan all my private information and files!

Why should only MS do that?

stef25




msg:1232354
 8:34 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

i like google, im really not anti-G. but storing all your files on their servers, in light of the us govt knocking on their door asking for data, seems just a tad too much

i uninstalled google desktop after i realised it keeps data from files off my companies network drives in its cache, located on my laptop hard drive

i work for a biotech company that does not want their data floating around in the boot of my car which is parked in a bad area of town.

realise this can happen people!

mindaugas13




msg:1232355
 8:55 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

How succesful is their monetization of all this - if they are to provide this all through adwords or similar? I've been using gmail forever and not once have I clicked on an ad - am I in the minority?

I click on ads in search, but not in gmail, nor would I see myself clicking on ads in anything desktop-ish.

rohitj




msg:1232356
 9:20 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Let me blatantly honest--since most of you haven't held back your feelings for google. The vast majority of you have nothing on your hard drive of interest. There may be a few of you with something interesting, maybe even something that could potentially damage your reputation or life if it got into the wrong hands (think trade secrets, credit card numbers whatever). For that select few, there is no doubt that such a service isn't for you.
But for those of you concerned that google will somehow care that you have the latest porn flick, or the newest cookie you downloaded etc.,, I think you're misunderstanding their intentions and edging towards the big-brother conspiracies that are completely unfounded. Google has had access to millions--maybe even billions--of emails. If they had blackhat ways, poor ways of handling information internally, or an evil philosophy. Then it would've caught up to them--and would have been mentioned over and over again. can you think of a scenario where google sold or somehow misused an individual's info? i'm not talking the release of aggregate data here...

The other thing that I want to add is that such a board is hardly representative of the audience google is targetting. A good number of you use your computers for commercial purposes and therefore information may have a monetary value. But for people like me, I really don't put a price on the latest Mp3 i got, or a cookie I downloaded. I'm thinking that most personal users are in the same boat.

This service also wouldn't be applicable to terrorists or people who'd somehow have fear of the government. But for people like me, i'd live with the risk of having the government search my drives (online and offline) for decent storage space. Granted I hope it never happens but the risk is something I could live with. Perhaps its because i realize i have nothing of huge value or some gigantic secret..

Just some thoughts to shift this discussion to what I think is more realistic/considerate of google's main audience. something it seems like we lose sight of that.

[edited by: rohitj at 9:30 pm (utc) on Mar. 7, 2006]

Kufu




msg:1232357
 9:24 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've been using gmail forever and not once have I clicked on an ad - am I in the minority?

Probably not. I have not clicked on Gmail ads either; but remember that they also have a CPM model for their ads, and it is not only CPC, so they may be using the CPM ads in Gmail.

TinkyWinky




msg:1232358
 9:42 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Perhaps its because i realize i have nothing of huge value or some gigantic secret..

So what happens if someone hacks Google and then wipes a load of data or the storage corrupts (as sometimes happens)... you'll have no records or back ups - cos Google's 'done it'...

Whilst a lot of this debate may be about privacy and the possibilities of what data google could store, it should also be about practicality of allowing all your data to be kept in one place - a remote place.

Admittedly, many people do with their PC / servers etc - however if your PC or server corrupts at least you have physical access (or in the case of a server physical backups and server backups) and if something is that important you can get it to a data recoverer.

What will Google do on this front.

So less of the 'i have nothing of value' talk please - everything is valuable in it's own way - pictures, cvs, letters of complaint that you need to refer to etc etc

pontifex




msg:1232359
 9:44 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> This board has become too vehemently anti-google.

well, some here know, that my main business is file storage and digital goods distribution. I cater to around 4,500 individuals, who host, backup, present, sell and distribute around 1 Terabytes of data right now on my servers.

I AM NOT AMUSED! Google takes a fair portion of traffic away if they like and they dance on many parties. IMHO are they are putting their fingers in a few honey pots too much (Payments, Video Sales, Base, Froogle are all leading to the "master information management tool with cash involved", which ultimately puts you in their hands). Let's say, you sell your powerpoint presentation templates in your OScommerce shop on your own right now. Are you sure, that Google will not lead the searchers for "powerpoint templates" to their own shop within the next 12 months?

Right now the file hosters like streamload, putfile, xdrive or even godaddy with their service should be worried.

BUT: I seriously doubt that this service will be top-notch! Each file, from a photo to a MP3 file has various implications. The deliverance ALONE needs serious thoughts, which I found out during the last 250,000 downloads or so.

File hosting is only a fraction of my business, so I am not too scared, but once the GPay is in place, I will start to worry!

However, if that service has the same quality like the Video Sales stuff, I am not worried at all :-)

2 in the jar...
P!

matimer




msg:1232360
 11:13 pm on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

This just in google.com's new site gevil.com

i kid, i kid

np2003




msg:1232361
 12:33 am on Mar 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

let me guess..

Google will probably next introduce some whacky new thing thing to prop up their stock.

How about

Google Ad Games?

Developers like EA, Sierra, Activision, Blizzard signup and place ads inside games. So the next time you're whacking some monster in World of warcraft you're subjected to ads all over the map.

ashear




msg:1232362
 1:04 am on Mar 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

If they can prove the security this could be a hit. If they charge for this service they will become liable for the data.

FrostyMug




msg:1232363
 1:45 am on Mar 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

ahaha... NO thank you. let google scan all my info and offer me a 'backup' online. wow... i'd rather buy a new HD. Don't need a new HD, have 3 already. with almost a terabyte of data on pc, how long would it take to upload it? ....

Ledfish




msg:1232364
 2:20 am on Mar 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

First why would I want to store data that I might later wish to have deleted when Google has shown that it can't even get rid of my no longer existent web pages. i.e. all the supplemental listings in it's index for pages that don't exist any longer

"The other thing that I want to add is that such a board is hardly representative of the audience google is targetting."

This is correct because the audience they are targeting is the same audience that believes that identity theft comes primarily from shopping on the internet. And the same audience that think that the person they are chatting to is really a 13 year old and not a police officer.

This audience is smart enough to question the reasons why you would trust a large company like Google with any information you prefer to keep private.

rohitj




msg:1232365
 3:09 am on Mar 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

ledfish--that's my whole point though. Most people (people who don't come to webmasterworld/use the computer for their profession) don't have things that are so private on their harddrive; information that would be particularly damaging if released. In fact, most personal information is already on the internet and in the hands of companies like google (like i said before--gmail and we can even think about adwords/adsense data in our own situations etc.,).

There's always the threat of losing information. You have to balance the risk with the benefits. Consider this--There are some who are so concerned about identity theft, that they won't use a credit card or handle bank transactions online. There are others who will adopt the risk and do bank transaction online, shop with a credit card, and even give out their social security. Each looks at what is at stake.

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